If I was a prophet ....

[Evmur]

When you understand we are all one in Christ there is no room for exalting one over another as far as the covenant is concerned. Either we are in Christ and are one with the others who are in Christ or we are not in Christ. God only has two sons.

He made a covenant with the Jews, who were alive at Sinai. The Jews failed to keep their end and so they became slaves to it. The covenant we are under today is the covenant made between God the Father and God the Son. All who are in Christ are included in the covenant as the children of promise. These are the same promises that were given to Abraham because he believed God.

The Jews were cut off from the promises of Abraham. Instead they were given the covenant of law which made them slaves. But now the door is open for all, whether they be Jew, not Jew, free, male, female, etc. etc. there is no special covenant that remains for the Jews, since Christ includes all men. Thankfully, the generation that is pushing this idea, that of a special covenant with the Jews, will soon die off, and they will take their bad doctrine with them.

Antisemite

 

[Shilohsfoal]

When you understand we are all one in Christ there is no room for exalting one over another as far as the covenant is concerned. Either we are in Christ and are one with the others who are in Christ or we are not in Christ. God only has two sons.

He made a covenant with the Jews, who were alive at Sinai. The Jews failed to keep their end and so they became slaves to it. The covenant we are under today is the covenant made between God the Father and God the Son. All who are in Christ are included in the covenant as the children of promise. These are the same promises that were given to Abraham because he believed God.

The Jews were cut off from the promises of Abraham. Instead they were given the covenant of law which made them slaves. But now the door is open for all, whether they be Jew, not Jew, free, male, female, etc. etc. there is no special covenant that remains for the Jews, since Christ includes all men. Thankfully, the generation that is pushing this idea, that of a special covenant with the Jews, will soon die off, and they will take their bad doctrine with them.

If you understand who Israel is in revelation ,you would not say that they are not under a special covenant.

Exodus 19:6
you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”


This is said to the descendents of Jacob and no one else.The descendents of Jacob shall be a kingdom of priests.Here is that kingdom of priests in revelation.


Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


These are the descendents of Jacob.These are them which kept God's judgements as given by Moses and they were able to overcome in Christ.
They do not worship the beast which is the Israeli government which Jews from all over the world followed after.The majority in Israel worship the beast and it's kingdom and will soon worship it's image and recieve it mark.They are refered to as the prostitute because they do not keep Gods judgements as delivered to them by Moses and they worship the beast and not God.


Romans 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

 

[Cameron143]

Reading fits nicely between arranging flowers and color-coordinating my wife’s wardrobe.

Sure. But you only need to be able to see to do those things. Well, and reach your wallet.

 

[Cameron143]

If you understand who Israel is in revelation ,you would not say that they are not under a special covenant.

Exodus 19:6
you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”


This is said to the descendents of Jacob and no one else.The descendents of Jacob shall be a kingdom of priests.Here is that kingdom of priests in revelation.


Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


These are the descendents of Jacob.These are them which kept God's judgements as given by Moses and they were able to overcome in Christ.
They do not worship the beast which is the Israeli government which Jews from all over the world followed after.The majority in Israel worship the beast and it's kingdom and will soon worship it's image and recieve it mark.They are refered to as the prostitute because they do not keep Gods judgements as delivered to them by Moses and they worship the beast and not God.


Romans 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

The new covenant has made us all who are in Christ a peculiar people of God...1 Peter 2:9. This is written to strangers scattered abroad...1 Peter 1:1.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The new covenant has made us all who are in Christ a peculiar people of God...1 Peter 2:9. This is written to strangers scattered abroad...1 Peter 1:1.

This is spoken to the descendents of Israel.

Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.



Besides,you probably don't live in the kingdom of the beast anyways and if you did,you would be fleeing into the wilderness soon enough.

Revelation 16:10
The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony

 

[Cameron143]

This is spoken to the descendents of Israel.

Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.



Besides,you probably don't live in the kingdom of the beast anyways and if you did,you would be fleeing into the wilderness soon enough.

Revelation 16:10
The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony

I agree that it was originally spoken to ethnic Jews. But those ethnic Jews were Christians. It was not their physical ethnicity that was in view, but their spiritual ethnicity. In other words, the passage isn't about being "in Israel", but about being "in Christ".

 

[vassal]

Frankly, if any of us were prophets we don't know what we would say because God has yet to put His words in anyone's mouth. A prophet isn't told he is a prophet and then look around and see what he should talk about. True prophets speak what God is declaring.

Those who watch know we are at the beginning of the end times, it is obvious.

 

[Cameron143]

Those who watch know we are at the beginning of the end times, it is obvious.

What's obvious to some isn't necessarily obvious to all.
End of what times?
What is the evidence you are finding as you watch?
What is the purpose of prophesy?
What is the primary message of the book of Revelation?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I agree that it was originally spoken to ethnic Jews. But those ethnic Jews were Christians. It was not their physical ethnicity that was in view, but their spiritual ethnicity. In other words, the passage isn't about being "in Israel", but about being "in Christ".

The people this was spoken to were not christians.They were descendents of Jacob.


Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

The people who shall reign with Christ in the promised land are Israeli in Christ There will be other nations in the promised land but It is Israel that shall reign with Christ over the nations.


isaiah 14:2
And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

 

[Cameron143]

The people this was spoken to were not christians.They were descendents of Jacob.


Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

The people who shall reign with Christ in the promised land are Israeli in Christ There will be other nations in the promised land but It is Israel that shall reign with Christ over the nations.


isaiah 14:2
And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

I disagree with your premise.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

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Frankly, if any of us were prophets we don't know what we would say because God has yet to put His words in anyone's mouth. A prophet isn't told he is a prophet and then look around and see what he should talk about. True prophets speak what God is declaring.

Jesus has already commanded his prophets both what to say and do.He told them how they should treat other people and how to react when they are persecuted.Its all in the gospel .

Mathew 10:41
He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

 

[Cameron143]

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Jesus has already commanded his prophets both what to say and do.He told them how they should treat other people and how to react when they are persecuted.Its all in the gospel .

Mathew 10:41
He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

They didn't know before they were told. And the verse you quoted isn't about prophets, but those who receive them.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

They didn't know before they were told. And the verse you quoted isn't about prophets, but those who receive them.

He is telling his prophets what wil happen to someone if they receive them.He starts out by sending his prophets.


Mathew 10

Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.

13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.





Notice they are instructed to not carry script to purchase anything in Israel before he comes.There is a reason for this.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

They didn't know before they were told. And the verse you quoted isn't about prophets, but those who receive them.

Mathew 10:40-41
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

 

[Cameron143]

He is telling his prophets what wil happen to someone if they receive them.He starts out by sending his prophets.


Mathew 10

Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.

13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.





Notice they are instructed to not carry script to purchase anything in Israel before he comes.There is a reason for this.

Sure. The don't carry anything so they can learn to live by God's provision. But this is what is told to the disciples, not prophets. And it is referring to 1st century events.

 

[Cameron143]

Mathew 10:40-41
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

He's sending out the disciples. That's the context.

 

[Aaron56]

Antisemite

Predictable response. So sad.

 

[Aaron56]

The people this was spoken to were not christians.They were descendents of Jacob.


Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Nope.

Natural Israel never became a holy nation. That’s why it is written “Not all Israel is Israel”.

Later, Peter wrote this to believers:

”But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.”

It should look familiar.
Also, this was not written to believing Jews, the Jews were always “a people”. This is written to gentile believers.

This is the promise spoken at Sinai now fully vested in those who are in Christ. It was always about children of promise not of a certain DNA.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Sure. The don't carry anything so they can learn to live by God's provision. But this is what is told to the disciples, not prophets. And it is referring to 1st century events.

So you believe the tribulation Jesus talks about in Mathew 10 that takes place before his coming took place in the first century?

May I ask,what year was the end when Jesus came in the first century?


Mathew 10

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

He's sending out the disciples. That's the context.

Someone who is sent to deliver a message such as the gospel or perform a dead is a prophet.He is sending out his prophets in his name.That is the context.


Mathew 10:40-41
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.