If I was a prophet ....

[Aaron56]

The Jews were promised a land of milk and honey, this was fulfilled in Josh 21.23.

There are many promises made to Israel after that. They are promised the ends of the earth. I like that "blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth"

The church is not promised to inherit the earth, ours is the kingdom of heaven.

You error in thinking the earth is not under the jurisdiction of the Kingdom of Heaven. Figuratively, the earth was annexed by the Kingdom of Heaven when the King sent His Son to it. Before that, it was the decree of the King that gave rise to earth. All authority, in Heaven and in Earth is His.

In the Age to Come there is no schism between the people in Christ: they are neither male nor female, bond nor free, Jew nor Greek.

 

[Cameron143]

The Jews were promised a land of milk and honey, this was fulfilled in Josh 21.23.

There are many promises made to Israel after that. They are promised the ends of the earth. I like that "blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth"

The church is not promised to inherit the earth, ours is the kingdom of heaven.

The OT is full of types and figures. It prefigures spiritual reality. This doesn't preclude the physical promises from coming true. Just the opposite. Why would anyone believe in the spiritual aspect of a promise if the physical promise was not fulfilled. But all the promises of God are in Christ yes, and in Him amen.
The old covenant no longer exists. It's term has expired. Thus, all of its promises physically are by definition no longer in effect. They have been fulfilled. What the represent spiritually is what endures in the new covenant.
So under what provision of what covenant will God restore land to Israel? No such covenant exists today with such a promise. Is there another covenant to come? Currently God covenants with individuals, not nations. This doesn't preclude large numbers of any nation getting saved en masse. But they will all come individually to God through Christ by the Spirit.

 

[Evmur]

No.

Only Christ inherits the promises. And believers, by their position in Him, become co-heirs with Him.

When a Jew or Gentile comes to Christ they are neither Jew or Gentile according to their inclusion in Christ. However, because the promises given to Abraham extends to his Seed (singular which is Christ) all who are in Christ become the offspring of Abraham. This is to display the complete reach of the covenant between Christ and God, the promises of which were given to Abraham.

To say that Jews inherit one thing while Gentiles inherit another is to exclude the Jews from being "in Christ" or to have them somehow choose between their inheritance as a Jew or their inheritance as a son of promise in Christ. That's the kind of doctrine that promotes the flesh, which cannot inherit the Kingdom, over the spirit.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness for their's is the kingdom of God
blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth.

Heaven is not earth, the new heavens are not the new earth. And nobody inherits anything apart from Christ.

It was the seed of Abraham who gave Christ up to be crucified, they were predestined to do that. Without them there would be no salvation. Like Joseph's brothers, they meant it for evil but God meant it for good.

 

[Evmur]

The OT is full of types and figures. It prefigures spiritual reality. This doesn't preclude the physical promises from coming true. Just the opposite. Why would anyone believe in the spiritual aspect of a promise if the physical promise was not fulfilled. But all the promises of God are in Christ yes, and in Him amen.
The old covenant no longer exists. It's term has expired. Thus, all of its promises physically are by definition no longer in effect. They have been fulfilled. What the represent spiritually is what endures in the new covenant.
So under what provision of what covenant will God restore land to Israel? No such covenant exists today with such a promise. Is there another covenant to come? Currently God covenants with individuals, not nations. This doesn't preclude large numbers of any nation getting saved en masse. But they will all come individually to God through Christ by the Spirit.

The new covenant is made to the Jews not to the Gentiles ... we have been most graciously been included in their covenant.

We by God's grace have been made fellow citizens of their commonwealth, partakers of their promises.

Paul makes it perfectly plain that their present blindness is only partial and temporary. They will be received, accepted, restored.

And so all Israel will be saved. Once the full number of the Gentiles are brought in.

 

[Evmur]

You error in thinking the earth is not under the jurisdiction of the Kingdom of Heaven. Figuratively, the earth was annexed by the Kingdom of Heaven when the King sent His Son to it. Before that, it was the decree of the King that gave rise to earth. All authority, in Heaven and in Earth is His.

In the Age to Come there is no schism between the people in Christ: they are neither male nor female, bond nor free, Jew nor Greek.

Amen, Jesus is King. But all His enemies are not yet put under His feet. He is not manifestly King.

God's plan for the fulness of time [the millennium] is to unite all things whether they be in heaven or on earth in Christ Jesus.

 

[Evmur]

Well,while your contemplating living on mars ,I will plan on traveling east to the kingdom of heaven where Abraham, Issac and Jacob are.


Mathew 8:11
I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.


Abraham ,Issac and Jacob will be in the same land that was promised to them which promise they have not received yet.The land of Canaan.

... yes but you still have the Jews ...

 

[Aaron56]

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness for their's is the kingdom of God
blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth.

Heaven is not earth, the new heavens are not the new earth. And nobody inherits anything apart from Christ.

It was the seed of Abraham who gave Christ up to be crucified, they were predestined to do that. Without them there would be no salvation. Like Joseph's brothers, they meant it for evil but God meant it for good.

According to Paul in Galatians, it was not the Seed of Abraham that gave up Christ. The Seed is Christ.

 

[Evmur]

According to Paul in Galatians, it was not the Seed of Abraham that gave up Christ. The Seed is Christ.

One day 2 gentiles came to Phillip and said they would see Jesus, when He heard Jesus sain "unless a seed of grain fall to the earth and die it bideth alone, if it does fall and die it bringeth forth much fruit"

This is what the Jews did, they made salvation possible to the Gentiles. They are beloved.

 

[Aaron56]

The new covenant is made to the Jews not to the Gentiles ... we have been most graciously been included in their covenant.

We by God's grace have been made fellow citizens of their commonwealth, partakers of their promises.

Paul makes it perfectly plain that their present blindness is only partial and temporary. They will be received, accepted, restored.

And so all Israel will be saved. Once the full number of the Gentiles are brought in.

How do you deal with

"6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed."

When it is written "All of Israel will be saved" you cannot insert "Jews" where their is "Israel". And, because some natural Jews are part of the Israel that will be saved, the following can be written:

"Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you."

The "now" is present tense now because every man receives mercy because of Christ. God does not attend to the Old and New covenant at the same time. Now, mercy comes on behalf of the New.

 

[Aaron56]

One day 2 gentiles came to Phillip and said they would see Jesus, when He heard Jesus sain "unless a seed of grain fall to the earth and die it bideth alone, if it does fall and die it bringeth forth much fruit"

This is what the Jews did, they made salvation possible to the Gentiles. They are beloved.

Then you would have inheritance on account of one's flesh. That's a no no.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

... he might have said nobody yet you have said that MANY shall come from the east and from the west and sit at table with Abe, Ike and Jake ... so you have to balance the words few and many.

John said it will be a crowd impossible to number.

Jesus was talking about the nations ,not the Jews.He was talking about a Roman centurian coming from the west and sitting down with Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.

Note,Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob and the nations from the east and west sitting down in the kingdom of heaven together.

You are all over the map

First you say Abe will be in heaven and next you say he will be in Caanan ... the promise was made to his seed ... ALL his seed.

You do eer not know the scripture.

Mathew ,8


And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,

6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.

7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.

8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.






It's not that hard to comprehend.The kingdom of heaven will be established in the land of Canaan.

Many will come from the east and west and will sit down with Abraham Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven,but the people you claim will recieve it will be cast out.There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Evmur]

Jesus was talking about the nations ,not the Jews.He was talking about a Roman centurian coming from the west and sitting down with Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.

Note,Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob and the nations from the east and west sitting down in the kingdom of heaven together.



You do eer not know the scripture.

Mathew ,8


And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,

6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.

7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.

8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.






It's not that hard to comprehend.The kingdom of heaven will be established in the land of Canaan.

Many will come from the east and west and will sit down with Abraham Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven,but the people you claim will recieve it will be cast out.There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

... they were cast out, for 2 thousand years, there has been weeping and gnashing of teeth. Now they are back.

God always planned that they should be once the fulness of the Gentiles be brought in. At the right time they will look upon Him whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as for a firstborn.

 

[Evmur]

Then you would have inheritance on account of one's flesh. That's a no no.

The Jews were chosen according to their nationality.

... according to election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. That's Paul's teaching.

 

[Aaron56]

The Jews were chosen according to their nationality.

... according to election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. That's Paul's teaching.

That's not the whole of the teaching, however.

His teaching was (and is) to correct the Gentiles who were against the Jews. He showed that the Jews who accept Christ are included in Christ.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

... they were cast out, for 2 thousand years, there has been weeping and gnashing of teeth. Now they are back.

God always planned that they should be once the fulness of the Gentiles be brought in. At the right time they will look upon Him whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as for a firstborn.

Perhaps you should read it again
Jesus calls it the kingdom of heaven and says Abraham Issac and Jacob would be there when they are cast out.


Mathew 8
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


You should pay attention to what Jesus is preaching and stop preaching the opposite of everything he says.


Luke 13
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.



Abraham Issac and Jacob are still in their graves in Hebron.The resurrection has not taken place yet.When it does,the people that you preach will recieve the kingdom of heaven will be cast out.
They are led away into captivity as several books in the bible teaches.Amos,Zechariah,and the gospels all testify they Jews are exiled on the day of the Lord.The only Jews to remain in the kingdom are them who belong to Christ.

 

[Cameron143]

The new covenant is made to the Jews not to the Gentiles ... we have been most graciously been included in their covenant.

We by God's grace have been made fellow citizens of their commonwealth, partakers of their promises.

Paul makes it perfectly plain that their present blindness is only partial and temporary. They will be received, accepted, restored.

And so all Israel will be saved. Once the full number of the Gentiles are brought in.

I agree Jews were given the new covenant initially. But there is no provision in the new covenant to deal with nations, only individuals. Thus, there is no difference between Jew or Greek. What is true of one is true of all.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

I recently read according to pew research where atheist and agnostics, the admitted ones, still many more hidden ones unaccounted for, have become a larger group than the Christian groups including Catholicism and others.

So if I was a prophet, I would be imitators of Christ and preach what He mostly preached about, the eternal Hell where there is gnashing of teeth, the worm dieth not, nor the fire ever quenched, followed by the DBR of Jesus Christ.

 

[Evmur]

I agree Jews were given the new covenant initially. But there is no provision in the new covenant to deal with nations, only individuals. Thus, there is no difference between Jew or Greek. What is true of one is true of all.

how many OT prophecies concerning Israel begin "It shall come to pass in the latter days ..." these are usually prophecies telling of great blessing and prosperity. Therefore God is by no means done with Israel

... prophecies concerning the church in the last days are tribulation, persecution. wars and natural disaster.

 

[Evmur]

Perhaps you should read it again
Jesus calls it the kingdom of heaven and says Abraham Issac and Jacob would be there when they are cast out.


Mathew 8
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


You should pay attention to what Jesus is preaching and stop preaching the opposite of everything he says.


Luke 13
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.



Abraham Issac and Jacob are still in their graves in Hebron.The resurrection has not taken place yet.When it does,the people that you preach will recieve the kingdom of heaven will be cast out.
They are led away into captivity as several books in the bible teaches.Amos,Zechariah,and the gospels all testify they Jews are exiled on the day of the Lord.The only Jews to remain in the kingdom are them who belong to Christ.

Perhaps you have not read the scripture as thoroughly as you thought.

After warning us not to exalt ourselves over the fall of Israel ... and nobody is denying that they have fallen Paul writes

So I ask have they stumbled so as to fall? God forbid but through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make them jealous. Now if their trespass means riches for the world and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their FULL inclusion mean!

For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead [THERE WILL BE NO RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH ... until the Jews are brought in parenthesis mine]

 

[Cameron143]

how many OT prophecies concerning Israel begin "It shall come to pass in the latter days ..." these are usually prophecies telling of great blessing and prosperity. Therefore God is by no means done with Israel

... prophecies concerning the church in the last days are tribulation, persecution. wars and natural disaster.

I would argue just the opposite. The latter days is referring to the latter days of the old covenant. And what you believe is speaking concerning the church was actually what was experienced in the 1st century by Israel.
So...it makes alot of sense that so many OT prophets would refer to the ending of the old covenant. It was a life-changing event for the nation Israel. Their whole world was turned upside down, both figuratively and literally.
The church itself is spoken of victoriously. Jesus declared He would build His church and the forces of hell were impotent to stop it. Persecution of the church only served to expand its membership and influence. And this same pattern has continued to our present day, and will continue until the consummation of all things.