Daniel and Matthews abomination of desolation.

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61. By the woman then clothed with the sun, he meant most manifestly the Church, endued with the Father's word, whose brightness is above the sun. And by the moon under her feet he referred to her being adorned, like the moon, with heavenly glory. And the words, upon her head a crown of twelve stars, refer to the twelve apostles by whom the Church was founded. And those, she, being with child, cries, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered, mean that the Church will not cease to bear from her heart the Word that is persecuted by the unbelieving in the world. And she brought forth, he says, a man-child, who is to rule all the nations; by which is meant that the Church, always bringing forth Christ, the perfect man-child of God, who is declared to be God and man, becomes the instructor of all the nations. And the words, her child was caught up unto God and to His throne, signify that he who is always born of her is a heavenly king, and not an earthly; even as David also declared of old when he said, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool. And the dragon, he says, saw and persecuted the woman which brought forth the man- child. And to the woman were given two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. That refers to the one thousand two hundred and threescore days (the half of the week) during which the tyrant is to reign and persecute the Church, which flees from city to city, and seeks conceal-meat in the wilderness among the mountains, possessed of no other defense than the two wings of the great eagle, that is to say, the faith of Jesus Christ, who, in stretching forth His holy hands on the holy tree, unfolded two wings, the right and the left, and called to Him all who believed upon Him, and covered them as a hen her chickens. For by the mouth of Malachi also He speaks thus: And unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in His wings.

62. The Lord also says, When you shall see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place (whoever reads, let him understand), then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains, and let him which is on the housetop not come down to take his clothes; neither let him which is in the field return back to take anything out of his house. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved. And Daniel says, And they shall place the abomination of desolation a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waits, and comes to the thousand two hundred and ninety-five days.
 

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61. By the woman then clothed with the sun, he meant most manifestly the Church, endued with the Father's word, whose brightness is above the sun. And by the moon under her feet he referred to her being adorned, like the moon, with heavenly glory. And the words, upon her head a crown of twelve stars, refer to the twelve apostles by whom the Church was founded. And those, she, being with child, cries, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered, mean that the Church will not cease to bear from her heart the Word that is persecuted by the unbelieving in the world. And she brought forth, he says, a man-child, who is to rule all the nations; by which is meant that the Church, always bringing forth Christ, the perfect man-child of God, who is declared to be God and man, becomes the instructor of all the nations. And the words, her child was caught up unto God and to His throne, signify that he who is always born of her is a heavenly king, and not an earthly; even as David also declared of old when he said, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool. And the dragon, he says, saw and persecuted the woman which brought forth the man- child. And to the woman were given two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. That refers to the one thousand two hundred and threescore days (the half of the week) during which the tyrant is to reign and persecute the Church, which flees from city to city, and seeks conceal-meat in the wilderness among the mountains, possessed of no other defense than the two wings of the great eagle, that is to say, the faith of Jesus Christ, who, in stretching forth His holy hands on the holy tree, unfolded two wings, the right and the left, and called to Him all who believed upon Him, and covered them as a hen her chickens. For by the mouth of Malachi also He speaks thus: And unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in His wings.

62. The Lord also says, When you shall see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place (whoever reads, let him understand), then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains, and let him which is on the housetop not come down to take his clothes; neither let him which is in the field return back to take anything out of his house. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved. And Daniel says, And they shall place the abomination of desolation a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waits, and comes to the thousand two hundred and ninety-five days.
I guess where our road divides, you believe the church is going into the tribulation, I don't. Like you, as a man who has raised a family, if I knew danger was coming to my home, there is no way I would ever leave them in danger, I would remove them from that place. Therefore, there is no way anyone will ever convince me the Lord would leave his bride in harm's way. The seven years of tribulation will be Christ's judgment, like Job, he will turn the powers of darkness loose on the Jews for their sins. If Christian's follow the ways of Jezebel, Nicolaitanes, Balac or any other bad boys, yes, they will go into tribulation, but not the bride of Christ.

Anyway, thanks for your comments.
 
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Having the moon beneath your feet is the same as being separated from the waters below.Or crushing the head of the serpent,and also walking on water.

The suns reflection shines off the face of the moon and is fading,just like Lords spirit shone on the face of Moses on Mount Sinai.
Sun/spirit.
Moon/water.
Earth/blood.

Everything is given onto the son so the ozone is like the temple veil.It's a firmament.It's undeniable that Jesus is God in the flesh when it's him behind the temple veil.
When our life is finished on the earth our blood is as an offering unto the Lord because the Sun,moon,earth is a image of an Ark.

Jeremiah 31:35-36
Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.


merriam webster
ordinance
A:an authoritative decree or direction
B:a law set forth by a governmental authority
specifically a municipal regulation
C:something ordained or decreed by fate or a deity.
 

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A muslim could never be christlike to decieve the jewish people. This person who will become the antichrist will be a lot like Christ, even walking the same paths Jesus took for 3 years.
It's not a matter of being Christ like, it's a matter of appearing to be Christ like. Don't forget, the Muslims roots began with Catholicism, they accept Jesus as a prophet of God, and expect him to appear in the near future. They accept Mary as the holiest woman in Islam, the acknowledge Abraham, Issac and Ishmael as their fathers.
The antichrist is an actor, playing a part he's not. He's a liar and will falsely claim to be Christ. He will falsely calm the Dome of the Rock as the Temple of God. It's all a lie, because he is a deceiver.
 

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It's not a matter of being Christ like, it's a matter of appearing to be Christ like. Don't forget, the Muslims roots began with Catholicism, they accept Jesus as a prophet of God, and expect him to appear in the near future. They accept Mary as the holiest woman in Islam, the acknowledge Abraham, Issac and Ishmael as their fathers.
The antichrist is an actor, playing a part he's not. He's a liar and will falsely claim to be Christ. He will falsely calm the Dome of the Rock as the Temple of God. It's all a lie, because he is a deceiver.
Get real, the jews would never accept the mosque building or accept anyone else but a jew
 

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Get real, the jews would never accept the mosque building or accept anyone else but a jew
Remember when the church is raptured, the Jews will have NO FRIENDS TO HELP THEM. They will be forced to accept, or they will have their heads chopped off. I can never forget the footage of men, men like you and me, knuckling down before Hitler's SS, unwilling to fight at that time because of fear. Without American support, the world will turn on Israel, they won't have a chance. Their only hope, Jesus Christ. Their only two choices, receive 666, or die and be saved.
 

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Remember when the church is raptured, the Jews will have NO FRIENDS TO HELP THEM. They will be forced to accept, or they will have their heads chopped off. I can never forget the footage of men, men like you and me, knuckling down before Hitler's SS, unwilling to fight at that time because of fear. Without American support, the world will turn on Israel, they won't have a chance. Their only hope, Jesus Christ. Their only two choices, receive 666, or die and be saved.
You are going to be disappointed
 
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This is a difficult subject to explain. If you have questions, ask.
Daniel wrote the following when he was in his nineties and while serving in Persian under King Darius. In the last chapter of his book, he wrote, Daniel 12:11, “From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.”

The comma between “taken away,” and “the abomination that makes desolate” tells us one event will immediately follow the other.

Nebuchadnezzar caused the daily sacrifice to cease when he took the sacred vessels of the temple to Babylon in 598 B.C., see 2 Chronicles 36. Now, if we were speaking of days after the daily sacrifice ceased, what significant event followed 1290 days after 598? I could not find anything, so let’s set that idea aside.

The context of Daniel’s prophesy points to an extended period, like 1290 years. If you examine Chapter 12 closely, the context speaks clearly of years, not 24-hour days. I will post another Tread concerning the Hebrew word “Day, Days,” we can discuss that later.

Daniel speaks of a time of trouble in verse 1, such as “never was or will be.” Matthew 24:21-22 gives the same warning. Their statements would eliminate the wars the family of Antiochus, the Romans, Catholics, the Ottomans, and Muslims waged against Israel. They all pale against the backdrop of World War Two and Hitler’s atrocities. Therefore, Matthew 24 could not have been fulfilled as destructive as it was in A.D. 70, as some claim; it doesn’t agree with Scripture.

In verse 4, Daniel said knowledge would increase. In 1945, the rate of knowledge doubled to twenty-five years. Today, with computer technology, it’s every twelve hours. There has been an exponential increase in medicine, communications, computer science, exploration of the universe, and, sad to say, weapons of war.

Daniel was told he would die, verse 9, and that many would be purified. Considering these things, Daniel’s prophesy looks way out into the future, not days, weeks, or months, but years and centuries.

Let’s talk about the Dome of the Rock, also called the Qubbat al-Sakhrah shrine. David purchased a piece of land at the top of Mt. Moriah for the “House of the Lord” around 973 B.C. The rock the Al-Sakhrah shrine sits over is the natural crown of Mt. Moriah. This foundation stone is sixty feet across and rises six feet above the floor. Thus, the temple is called the Dome of the Rock, or Dome over the Rock.

There is where the Holy of Holies once stood; it’s the holiest place for the Jews. It’s said to be where God created Adam and the site Abraham prepared to sacrifice his son, Isaac. It’s the place where Jesus Christ will establish his throne. It is also the third holiest place for Muslims and the only righteous place for Jews. Today, only Muslims and Palestinians are granted access to the mosque.

So, here’s our timeline: B.C. 598, the daily sacrifice ends precisely 1290 years later, and the Dome of the Rock is finished in 692 A.D., matching Daniel’s prophesy.

Now, let’s talk about Matthew’s “abomination. We must compare Matthew 24:15, and Mark 13:14, with Daniel’s prophesy. “When you (the Jews), therefore, shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place,” Mark 13:14 reads, “Standing where it ought not,” the people are told to RUN, leave as fast as you can to the mountains. Daniel tells us another 1335 years will pass before Matthew's prophesy is fulfilled.

From 692 A.D. plus 1335 years, we arrive in 2027 A.D. The month will be October, around the 10th to 18th, during the celebration of Yom Kippur on October 10, 2027, and ends 10-18-27. The time also agrees with Jesus’ baptism on October 27 A.D., exactly 2000 years later.

Concerning these two verses, the Greek word for stand, found in Matthew and Mark, is opposed to falling. It’s a Past Particle expressing a completed action, and absolute. In other verses, the same words ‘stood or standing) are found in the following.

Matthew 12:46, “his brother stood without.”

Luke 9:27, “There are some standing here,”

Luke 17:12, “which stood afar off:’

Two abominations, two separate events, 1335 years apart. The Dome of the Rock is where the antichrist will establish his throne; and an image of himself will stand in the court outside his temple.

He will claim to be God, he’s a liar. And he will claim to be standing in the temple of God, he’s a liar. If the above is correct, the 3 1/2 years of Great Tribulation will begin the two witnesses are taken up, and when his high priest heals his deadly wound, then receives his mark, 666.

It's not the man of sin who places the abomination that causes desolation.Its his armed forces.


Daniel 11:31

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31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.
 
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Remember when the church is raptured, the Jews will have NO FRIENDS TO HELP THEM. They will be forced to accept, or they will have their heads chopped off. I can never forget the footage of men, men like you and me, knuckling down before Hitler's SS, unwilling to fight at that time because of fear. Without American support, the world will turn on Israel, they won't have a chance. Their only hope, Jesus Christ. Their only two choices, receive 666, or die and be saved.
It's the Jews who condemn the Messianic Jews to death.
 

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It's not the man of sin who places the abomination that causes desolation.Its his armed forces.


Daniel 11:31

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31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.
Daniel 11:31 is historic. It is talking about Antiochus IV.
 

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Get real, the jews would never accept the mosque building or accept anyone else but a jew
I agree. The person who becomes the Antichrist by being anointed the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah has to be a Jew.

A mosque is not a suitable place for the animal sacrifices to resume. There has to be a temple built of at least minim size to get the animal sacrifices going again as quickly as possible.

The Jew (Judaism) believe that the messiah will have a part in building the next temple. Which the Antichrist will fulfill their expectations.

Since the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 are the same seven years in Ezekiel 39:9-10, the temple will be quickly built on a seven month period. 7months because the 2300 days of Daniel 8:11-17 begin with the animal sacrifices going again.

2520 days (7 years) - 2300 days = 220 days. 7months x 30 days/month = 210 days. That leaves ten days.

So, therefore, it appears that right after the Gog/Magog event, the prince who shall come within ten days will be anointed the King of Israel, false messiah.
 
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Remember when the church is raptured, the Jews will have NO FRIENDS TO HELP THEM. They will be forced to accept, or they will have their heads chopped off. I can never forget the footage of men, men like you and me, knuckling down before Hitler's SS, unwilling to fight at that time because of fear. Without American support, the world will turn on Israel, they won't have a chance. Their only hope, Jesus Christ. Their only two choices, receive 666, or die and be saved.
Daniel 11:31 is historic. It is talking about Antiochus IV.
That's what the Hellenistic Jew, Jason of Cyrene taught you.

I know better because I've been watching the prophecies of Daniel 11 as they are being fulfilled.You should be careful who you choose for your teacher..Jasons interpretations are false.
 

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Having the moon beneath your feet is the same as being separated from the waters below.Or crushing the head of the serpent,and also walking on water.

The suns reflection shines off the face of the moon and is fading,just like Lords spirit shone on the face of Moses on Mount Sinai.
Sun/spirit.
Moon/water.
Earth/blood.

Everything is given onto the son so the ozone is like the temple veil.It's a firmament.It's undeniable that Jesus is God in the flesh when it's him behind the temple veil.
When our life is finished on the earth our blood is as an offering unto the Lord because the Sun,moon,earth is a image of an Ark.

Jeremiah 31:35-36
Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.


merriam webster
ordinance
A:an authoritative decree or direction
B:a law set forth by a governmental authority
specifically a municipal regulation
C:something ordained or decreed by fate or a deity.
Which did the diety command ?

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:


but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is what they heard in the law That Jesus the lord is addressing

“And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭19:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

equal revenge for an offense did the diety set this forth or did he sent what Jesus said to all people to believe ?

Im only asking to try to see your position
 

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Omegatime, One of two things is going to happen to me.
1. I get taken before the tribulation begins. Or,
2. I go into the tribulation, and at my age, I wouldn't last very long.

Neither of the two would disappoint me. And as far as the Jews putting up a third Temple in the environment the Middle East is in today good luck with that.

And even if they did put up a third temple and they sacrificed every animal in Israel, the Lord would have no part in it. The punishers will be Islam, the punished will be the Jews.

As the Lord had sent Nebuchadnezzar and Titus to punish the Jews, in these last days, he will send in the antichrist with his armies to punish the Jews.

Anyway, thanks for your input.
 

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Omegatime, One of two things is going to happen to me.
1. I get taken before the tribulation begins. Or,
2. I go into the tribulation, and at my age, I wouldn't last very long.

Neither of the two would disappoint me. And as far as the Jews putting up a third Temple in the environment the Middle East is in today good luck with that.

And even if they did put up a third temple and they sacrificed every animal in Israel, the Lord would have no part in it. The punishers will be Islam, the punished will be the Jews.

As the Lord had sent Nebuchadnezzar and Titus to punish the Jews, in these last days, he will send in the antichrist with his armies to punish the Jews.

Anyway, thanks for your input.
Need to understand the covenant with many will bring peace and security for the first 3 1/2 years for the jews as well as building the temple.

Only the unrighteous will suffer in the last 3 1/2 years but the worst coming at the appointed time of the Day of the lord. But even then 1/3 of the jews will survive and enter into the kingdom live with flesh and blood
 

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That's what the Hellenistic Jew, Jason of Cyrene taught you.

I know better because I've been watching the prophecies of Daniel 11 as they are being fulfilled.You should be careful who you choose for your teacher..Jasons interpretations are false.
Has to do with what the text says, and recorded history. The actions of Antiochus IV are well known. Nothing to do with some unknown person Jason of Cyrene. You are diverting.
 
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Has to do with what the text says, and recorded history. The actions of Antiochus IV are well known. Nothing to do with some unknown person Jason of Cyrene. You are diverting.

What you teach has everything to do with Jason of Cyrene.Your are teaching Jason of Cyrene interpretation of Daniel. An interpretation of prophecy is not history.Its someones interpretation.


You except Jason's interpretation as though it is the word of God even though it's not considerd the word of God by anyone.


Like I said.I have been watching Daniel 11 as it is being fulfilled and we have not arrived to Daniel 11:31 yet.

There is only 3.5 years from Daniel 11:31-daniel 12:2.A time ,times and a half.

Daniel 12:7
The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”


Insted of believing the holy scripture,you choose to believe a false interpretation of scripture by a hellenistic Jew.
 

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What you teach has everything to do with Jason of Cyrene.Your are teaching Jason of Cyrene interpretation of Daniel. An interpretation of prophecy is not history.Its someones interpretation.


You except Jason's interpretation as though it is the word of God even though it's not considerd the word of God by anyone.


Like I said.I have been watching Daniel 11 as it is being fulfilled and we have not arrived to Daniel 11:31 yet.

There is only 3.5 years from Daniel 11:31-daniel 12:2.A time ,times and a half.

Daniel 12:7
The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”


Insted of believing the holy scripture,you choose to believe a false interpretation of scripture by a hellenistic Jew.
Shiohsfoal, Jason of Cyrene is an unknown. You are diverting, and are making false accusations of him being the basis for what I and other Christians believe. What Antiochus IV did is a matter of historical record.

The time of the end verses in Daniel 11 begin with verse 36, with verse 35 being the transition verse. All of Daniel 12 is time of the end.
 
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Shiohsfoal, Jason of Cyrene is an unknown. You are diverting, and are making false accusations of him being the basis for what I and other Christians believe. What Antiochus IV did is a matter of historical record.

The time of the end verses in Daniel 11 begin with verse 36, with verse 35 being the transition verse. All of Daniel 12 is time of the end.
Your account of history came from Jason of Cyrene.If you believe the history account has another author then quote him.
And don't bother quoting Josephus because he was not around when Jason said these things took place.Josephus did not witness any of these things in Daniel .
 

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