The Error of KJV-Onlyism

[fredoheaven]

Job 15:26-27, Collops is perhaps a hard word here and I wonder why the online OED no longer gives the definition of the KJB which refers to fatness and gives us 3 definitions only. My hardcopy of the Shorter OED on Historical Principles confirms KJB which is in No. 4 meaning a thick fat fold in the body.

 

[fredoheaven]

The best dictionary is the bible itself. It will define itself. This is the beauty of the KJV.

Yes, it's still the final, however, I still consulting Dictionaries to confirm. God bless

 

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Example-


Jeremiah 10:22
“Behold, the noise of the bruit is come, and a great commotion out of the north country, to make the cities of Judah desolate, and a den of dragons.”



Okay, I actually used dictionaries and it helps but sometimes KJB has already defined hard words for us and dictionaries were just to confirm the right definition. In the case of the word ‘bruit’, the OED is lacking in the meaning giving us only 4 meanings which may be about the report in general or rumor. The same is true with Collins Dictionary, likewise of 1913 Webster. The passage, however, had something to make the cities of Judah desolate. This is not a rumor since the prophet talks about a definite knowledge that “pastors become brutish”, and they “have not sought the Lord…”. So the context in the KJB sheds light on the meaning of this ‘bruit’, which is a ‘commotion’ out of the North Country.



Looking at older dictionaries, John Baret, Triple Dictionary just confirmed the meaning of the word ‘commotion” or bruit which is a great noise, a trouble, a commotion of people. Is this a rumor, I say no. God bless

John Baret, An Alveary or Triple Dictionary, in English, Latin, and French (1574)

¶ to Sturre: or prouoke: to call out: to raise vp: to waken.Excio, cis, cíui, cire, cîtum. vel Excieo, cies, cíui, ciêre, éxcitum. Excito, tas. Frequentat. ab Excieo. Cic. And Excitatus. Partic. Cic. Moued or stirred vp. Vide Moue and Stirre. * Tumult: businesse: ruffling: sturre: trouble: whorly burly, that riseth of a great feare: sedition: insurrection: commotion of people: great noyse, & broyle. Tumultus, tus, m.g. Cic. And Tumultuosus, a, um. Cic. Ful of businesse, trouble & rufling: troublous: that sturreth to sedition: full of broyle & sturre. And Tumultuóse, tius, sissimè. Aduerb. Liu. Troublously: with businesse, sturre, and rufling: in hast: without study. And Tumultuo, as. Plaut. & Tumúltuor, aris. Dep. Liu. To make tumult, sturre, ruffling &c. To sturre vp mens courages. Exuscitare animos. To sturre great hatred towarde me. Concitare magnum odium in aliquem. Cic. What sturre or businesse is that? Quæ illæc turba est? Ter. To moue or sturre vp to. Excitare ad arma ciuitatem aliquam. Cic. To be in a great sturre or trouble. Effeuescere quodam quasi æstu per translat. Cic. To moue & sturre vp mens courages to warre. Animos in bella versibus exacuere. Hor. To make great sturre or busines: to make much a doo where it nedeth not. Excitare tragædias. Cic.


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Thank you for the research. I do appreciate it. Really insightful. OED is hit and miss. They do define words by century and sometimes they will list the early 1600s. I would love to someday have a digital version of a Defined King James Bible. To create a team of KJB believers working hard to create great definitions like this. It should have pictures as an option on certain defined words, as well. I think folks would be able to know what these words are if a pic could be attached and they had proper research like this.

 

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This is a good channel... https://www.youtube.com/@RefutingCalvinism

He exposes the errors of calvinism brick by brick

There is a lot of good content at Pinpoint. I have been blessed by his channel.

 

[fredoheaven]

Isah 27:8, Debate is found to be a difficult word here. A look over some newer dictionaries seems to refer to discussion, with reasoning ability or on a logical basis. KJB's meaning of 'measure' is quite correct here for it refers to distance as older dictionaries before KJB confirms this, The 1530 of John Palgrave has an entry for the word 'debate' as distance.

 

[fredoheaven]

Thank you for the research. I do appreciate it. Really insightful. OED is hit and miss. They do define words by century and sometimes they will list the early 1600s. I would love to someday have a digital version of a Defined King James Bible. To create a team of KJB believers working hard to create great definitions like this. It should have pictures as an option on certain defined words, as well. I think folks would be able to know what these words are if a pic could be attached and they had proper research like this.

Yes, it is very hard to make an opinion we haven't seen, I'm still checking for any online copy of D.A Waite's Defined King James but haven't seen one up to this time, only a page in the book of Job.

God bless

 

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Yes, it is very hard to make an opinion we haven't seen, I'm still checking for any online copy of D.A Waite's Defined King James but haven't seen one up to this time, only a page in the book of Job.

God bless

Yeah, there isn’t one. I bought two of the leather bound Defined King James Bibles before they jumped up in price when Waite passed away. I was trying to get the giant sized print in leather a long time ago when he was still alive and they sold out of it. I don’t think they are going to make any more. If you can find a leather bound large print font size one, it would be worth it to own.

They have some still on EBay, but they are pricey. There is a cheap archaic words list of his that sells in a small mini booklet, but the Bible is better.

 

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Yes, it is very hard to make an opinion we haven't seen, I'm still checking for any online copy of D.A Waite's Defined King James but haven't seen one up to this time, only a page in the book of Job.

God bless

I think 2-3 groups of 6-7 should do the work on a new advanced Defined KJV. A minimum of 14 KJV believers who are skilled in 1600s English and with some having knowledge of Greek and Hebrew. If the Greek could be checked by at least one expert who lives in Greece and his native tongue is Greek would be the cherry on the top. Same goes for the Hebrew.

 

[turbosixx]

Sure. I also believe salvation is conditional and it is not forced upon a person forever because of a one time decision for Christ as one’s Savior. I believe sin can separate a person from God and his salvation unless they confess and forsake such sin.

I understand it said like this and that's what I believe as well.
Looking forward to discussions with you.

 

[John146]

Sure. I also believe salvation is conditional and it is not forced upon a person forever because of a one time decision for Christ as one’s Savior. I believe sin can separate a person from God and his salvation unless they confess and forsake such sin.

Romans 8:
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

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Romans 8:
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The context are those who love God.

“And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, “ (Romans 8:28).

How do we love God according to the Bible?

Jesus (who is God) says,
“If ye love me, keep my commandments.” (John 14:15).

Knowing God is eternal life (John 17:3).

In fact, we know God by keeping His commandments.
Yet, if a person says they know God and do not keep His commandments, they are a liar and the truth is not in that person.

1 John 2:3-4 says,
3 ’And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.“

In Romans 8:1, Modern Bibles remove the condition or words “who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit“ as a part of “There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus”.

Modern Bibles alter Revelation 22:14.

Revelation 22:14 (KJV)
”Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. “

Revelation 22:14 (ESV)
”Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.”

Notice how the Moderns pervert Revelation 22:14. They want to water-down the fact that you do not have to keep His commandments so as to have the right to the tree of life and to enter in through the gates into the city.

Outside are sinners according to Revelation 22:15.

Romans 8:13 sets up a condition with the word “if.”

Romans 8:13 says “For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”

This includes even me. If I go down the wrong path and live after the flesh, I will die, but…. If I through the Spirit mortify (put to death) the deeds of the body (sin), I shall live (live eternally).

Many who believe as you do love to also point out John 10:28. But the context of those who cannot be plucked out of His hand is verse 27 that refers to how this is in context to sheep that FOLLOW Jesus.

 

[John146]

The context are those who love God.

“And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, “ (Romans 8:28).

Nope, the audience is the church at Rome, the believers who have been made righteous by the blood of Christ. And btw, the condemnation in verse 1 is not eternal, but temporal judgment for walking after the flesh. Hypothetically, if want you believe is true, none of us have any hope. Our works neither save us or keep us saved. We must 100% rely on the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ.

 

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Nope, the audience is the church at Rome, the believers who have been made righteous by the blood of Christ. And btw, the condemnation in verse 1 is not eternal, but temporal judgment for walking after the flesh. Hypothetically, if want you believe is true, none of us have any hope. Our works neither save us or keep us saved. We must 100% rely on the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ.

How do I know you would reject the verses I posted?
It’s because we are living in the Laodicean age.
It’s because those verses are not living on the inside of you. You came up with some elaborate excuse that is not direct quotations from Scripture.

May God bless you despite our disagreement on this topic.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

This is why Jesus will most likely be angry at the Judgment.
The very word that many believers claim to be perfect, they also reject many portions of His Word that they do not like (to justify that believers can sin and still be saved on some level). Verses I post are rarely ever explained. If there is some kind of explanation it is not based on the context. I say this not to wound anyone here, but to help draw you to Christ and His good ways.

Peace be unto you in the Lord.

 

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Some have claimed that KJV-Onlyism began with Wilkerson, who was a Seventh-Day Adventist.
This is not true.

Here is a video that shows that men regarded the KJV’s words so much that they were willing to burn down buildings.
Granted, I would never go to that extreme, but others did back in the 1760s.

The video is from another channel that I uploaded to mine.

 

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One of the major reasons why we do not trust the "Modern Bibles" as our final Word of authority is this reason, too.

The host of this video is Theo Hikmat.

Side Note:

Now, keep in mind that while this video was not made too far back in history, the Catholics have created a Catholic KJV with their apocryphal books inserted into the Old Testament. This came out back in 2020 (See here to learn more). But I do not see Catholics greatly promoting the Catholic KJV, though. I see this as a tactic by the RCC in that they are trying to erase history. Catholics almost destroyed the King James Bible with a super bomb (See the gunpowder plot here). Catholics killed two Textus Receptus translators (that led up to the KJB). This would be William Tyndale, and John Rogers.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Yes, it is very hard to make an opinion we haven't seen, I'm still checking for any online copy of D.A Waite's Defined King James but haven't seen one up to this time, only a page in the book of Job.

God bless

How about?:

Looking for books by D.A. Waite? See all books authored by D.A. Waite, including Defending the King James Bible: A four-fold superiority : texts, translators, technique, theology, and 4,114 Definitions from the Defined King James Bible, and more on ThriftBooks.com.



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Be Blessed.

 

[John146]

How do I know you would reject the verses I posted?
It’s because we are living in the Laodicean age.
It’s because those verses are not living on the inside of you. You came up with some elaborate excuse that is not direct quotations from Scripture.

May God bless you despite our disagreement on this topic.

I thought the audience was given. I'll post it anyway.

Romans 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

As far as temporal condemnation, look no further than Romans 14. Read the entire chapter.

How many times have you been saved today?

 

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How about?:

Looking for books by D.A. Waite? See all books authored by D.A. Waite, including Defending the King James Bible: A four-fold superiority : texts, translators, technique, theology, and 4,114 Definitions from the Defined King James Bible, and more on ThriftBooks.com.

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Be Blessed.

I would get the leather bound one with the large print font. The hardcover is cheap looking.

 

[YWPMI]

I know that NO "BIBLE" is completely accurate as far as what the writer's actually did write on their papyrus, or stone or whatever. We can never get THAT back from where it originally was. I DO know that THE HOLY SPIRIT will guide us into all truth.

John 16:13
“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”

THAT is what I go by.