Who has the right to give moral discipline
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here's just one site that explains where the term "Jew" came from.
I found this to support @selahsays.
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The Hebrews left the Mesopotamian city of Ur and became wandering herders; in fact, the word Hebrew originally meant “wanderer” or “nomad.” Abraham had a son, Isaac, and Isaac had a son, Jacob, collectively known as the Patriarchs in the Hebrew Bible.
https://pressbooks.cuny.edu › chapter
Reading: The Hebrews – Birth of Europe - CUNY Pressbooks Network
Ok so if it's true abram was a Hebrew then that means Ismael was a Hebrew
So why Christians say Ismael was a Muslim ?
You see buddy I never started this
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The Hebrews left the Mesopotamian city of Ur and became wandering herders; in fact, the word Hebrew originally meant “wanderer” or “nomad.” Abraham had a son, Isaac, and Isaac had a son, Jacob, collectively known as the Patriarchs in the Hebrew Bible.
https://pressbooks.cuny.edu › chapter
Reading: The Hebrews – Birth of Europe - CUNY Pressbooks Network
Ok so if it's true abram was a Hebrew then that means Ismael was a Hebrew
So why Christians say Ismael was a Muslim ?
You see buddy I never started this
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I was merely pointing out that Israel was a nation before they had a king.
I think the distinction being made is that Muslim is a religious designation, and Hebrew is an ethnic designation.
While I do think God helped Ishmael in life for Abraham's sake, Ishmael is typified in scripture as an unbeliever and Isaac as the seed through which God's promises are fulfilled in Christ. I know this isn't your understanding, but what I have shared is what many others are trying to share.
I think the distinction being made is that Muslim is a religious designation, and Hebrew is an ethnic designation.
While I do think God helped Ishmael in life for Abraham's sake, Ishmael is typified in scripture as an unbeliever and Isaac as the seed through which God's promises are fulfilled in Christ. I know this isn't your understanding, but what I have shared is what many others are trying to share.
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Ishmael, being Abram's son would be considered Hebrew. He and Isaac grew up together and were taught about and knew God. But after Sarai kicked them out because Ishmael laughed at Isaac, and they went on their way, God STILL guided and helped them. He had made a promise to Abram that of Ishmael would come 12 tribes; just as Isaac. He is Hebrew by birth via Abram's blood. Religion and birth lineage are two totally different things. Muslims did not come about until centuries later.