the Sabbath

[mailmandan]

Is there a distinction between the Law of Moses and the 10 commandments? Does the Law of Moses include the 10 commandments in verses like Acts 13:39, Rom. 3:28 and Gal. 2:16? Does the book of the law contain the entire law found in the first five books of the bible including the 10 commandments? Which verses in the bible can I use to explain that the entire Law of Moses includes the 10 commandments? There are some cultists out there who teach that there is a distinction between the law and the 10 commandments so that they can use the 10 commandments as a means of justification using verses like Matt. 19:17, 1 Cor. 7:19, 1 John 2:3-4, 1 John 5:2-3, Rev. 12:17, Rev. 14:12. They claim that the law was done away with (sacrifices and such) but insist that the 10 commandments are a binding means of justification. It sounds to me like a vain attempt to support a “works based” FALSE gospel!

The Law of Moses includes the Ten Commandments. All the laws of Moses are contained in Exodus through Deuteronomy and include over 600 laws. Of course, sometimes the first five books of the Bible are also referred to as the Law (e.g. Matt. 5:17).

Yes; the Law of Moses includes the 10 commandments in verses like Acts 13:39,Rom. 3:28 and Gal. 2:16.

Which verses in the bible can I use to explain that the entire Law of Moses includes the 10 commandments?​

Matthew 5:17-48 is quite clear about the Law (v. 17) including the ten commandments (vv. 21 and 27 – compare with Exodus 20:13, 14). Romans 13:8-10 also make this clear.

The cults which try to make a distinction between the Law of Moses and the ten commandments are in error. The entire Old Covenant (including the ten commandments) has been done away and replaced with the New Covenant (see Hebrews 8:7-13; etc.). Verses like Galatians 2:16 make quite clear that we are not justified by any works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. Nevertheless, it is important to realize that nine of the ten commandments (all but Sabbath keeping) are repeated in the New Testament. These commandments are not a means of justifying us before God. However, they do give us God’s principles regarding how those who HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED through faith in Christ ought to live their lives. Good works are the proper fruit of justification. We are not justified by our works, but justification should produce good works. We are saved by God’s grace through faith in Christ (Eph. 2:8-9). But we are created in Christ Jesus for good works (Eph. 2:10).

The Lord bless you,

Michael Gleghorn
Probe Ministries

Is There a Distinction Between the Law of Moses and the 10 Commandments? (probe.org)

 

[SabbathBlessing]

According to God His covenant consisted of Ten Commandments. Is God in error?

Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Only the Ten Commandments was placed inside the ark Exo 40:20

God writing and man writing are not the same. It surprises me really how much man rejects God's own work that was given to bless us and to show us His righteous ways Psa 119:172 so we don't depend on our own.

Did Jesus teach we don't need to keep His holy commandments- quite the opposite Mat 15:3-9 Mark 7:7-13, John 14:15, Mat 5:18-30 Mat 19:17-19 John 15:10 He taught and lived them out to be our example to follow. 1 John 2:6

 

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To the first question: "By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so, on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done." (Genesis 2:1-3). Therefor the Sabbath was created on the 7th day of creation. The moral laws that is in our hearts and minds, we know the difference between right and wrong, like shame or guilt. So yes, the Sabbath was observed from creation.

As fare as the 2nd, I will have to do some research, read the scriptures, and most of all pray, Then I will let you know where I stand.

Thank you for your answer.

 

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Abraham, Isaac and Jacob kept the Sabbath: Genesis 26:5 (5) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Note: Many would be surprised to learn that faithful Abraham was also a Sabbath keeper. The above verse states that he obeyed God and kept his commandments, and the sabbath is the 4th of his Commandments. The Sabbath was created on the 7th day of creation when God rested from his work. God rested, this is where we get the term God or Jesus is our rest, what people and some Christians fail to realize is the word rest as referred to in scripture literally means Sabbath Keeping.
So, if Abraham kept God's law, the Ten Commandments he had to keep the Sabbath, it being the 4th Commandment.

and sorry I shouldn't of said that... I do like the word trollis... LOL
Blessings, Danny

very good point

Now, if you break one of the laws of Moses, you are guilty of all laws. So, If a person breaks the law, how can he return to obeying it when the penalty for breaking it is death? What did you do to ensure you could return to obeying the Sabbath if you were already a lawbreaker?

Thank you in advance.

 

[Cameron143]

This is the help Jesus asks for....

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

More deflection.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The law is a generic term, there is not one size fits all, the context determines which law.
In Galatians the law is referring to circumcision if one wants to read it context.

2 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and also took Titus with me. 2 And I went up [a]by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain. 3 Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised. 4 And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage), 5 to whom we did not yield submission even for an hour, that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

6 But from those who seemed to be something—whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God [b]shows personal favoritism to no man—for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me. 7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter 8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), 9 and when James, [c]Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 10 They desired only that we should remember the poor, the very thing which I also was eager to do.

11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing [f]those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy.

14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as [h]Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

17 “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18 For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

Circumcision was the "works of the law" that Gentiles needed to be circumcised to receive the gospel. Paul was rebuking this teaching. He also said 1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

James is referring to the Ten Commandments

James 2: 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

James is only contrasting and quoting the Ten Commandments.


Not all the laws are the same. God only spoke and wrote the Ten Commandments- God is perfect, therefore He could only write a perfect law Psa 19:7 and God does not make mistakes, people do, not God.

The law is the law given to moses on Mt Siniah

it includes the ten commands (proves we are sinners)
If includes the Tabernacle (sacrificial system of atonement)

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

without the ten commands. The law could not confine we were all under sin

the sacrificial system was the answer to the sin issue..

 

[SabbathBlessing]

The law is the law given to moses on Mt Siniah

it includes the ten commands (proves we are sinners)
If includes the Tabernacle (sacrificial system of atonement)

There is nothing in the Ten Commandments about sacrifices. The sacrifices were given because of sin- breaking the Ten Commandments. The sacrifices was always a placeholder for Jesus Heb 10:1-22 so now in the New Covenant- Jesus is our High Priest and we can go directly to Him when we sin (break God's law)- once He heals He says- go and sin no more. That is living in grace as we all have sinned and deserve the death penalty, but He took it for us. Jesus wants us to overcome sin and we can do that when we completely reply on Him. John 14:15-18 The Ten Commandments just show us our sin, so we know what we need to overcome and we depend on His righteousness not our own. Psa 119:172

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4)

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. (Mark 7:7-9)
Commandments
Deuteronomy 28:15
“But it shall come about, if you do not obey the Lord your God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes with which I charge you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
1 Kings 9:6
“But if you or your sons indeed turn away from following Me, and do not keep My commandments and My statutes which I have set before you, and go and serve other gods and worship them,
Psalm 89:31
If they violate My statutes
And do not keep My commandments,
Proverbs 28:9
He who turns away his ear from listening to the law,
Even his prayer is an abomination.
Deuteronomy 28:45
“So all these curses shall come on you and pursue you and overtake you until you are destroyed, because you would not obey the Lord your God by keeping His commandments and His statutes which He commanded you.
John 12:47
If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 2:25
For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.
James 4:11
Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge of it.
Breaking God Law
Jeremiah 9:13
Acts 7:53
Psalm 119:150
Psalm 78:10
Nehemiah 9:16
2 Kings 17:19
Nehemiah 1:7
Nehemiah 9:34
Amos 2:4
Jeremiah 44:10
Jeremiah 44:23
Habakkuk 1:4
Nehemiah 9:26
Psalm 119:126
Psalm 119:136
Matthew 15:3
2 Kings 17:34
Ezra 7:26
James 2:10-11
Jeremiah 8:8
Daniel 9:5
Hosea 8:1
Matthew 14:4
Acts 23:3
James 2:9
James 2:11
Matthew 12:5
Acts 18:13

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com

are you perfect? Do you keep ALL Of Gods commands without fault?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Why do you call the gospel of grace the license to sin?

Because he feels he has to earn his salvation by how good he is.. so he hates a gospel that would show he is not worthy.. No different than when Jesus said the same to the pharisee

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

According to God His covenant consisted of Ten Commandments. Is God in error?

Deut 4:13 So He (God) declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Only the Ten Commandments was placed inside the ark Exo 40:20

God writing and man writing are not the same. It surprises me really how much man rejects God's own work that was given to bless us and to show us His righteous ways Psa 119:172 so we don't depend on our own.

Did Jesus teach we don't need to keep His holy commandments- quite the opposite Mat 15:3-9 Mark 7:7-13, John 14:15, Mat 5:18-30 Mat 19:17-19 John 15:10 He taught and lived them out to be our example to follow. 1 John 2:6

There you go. Only the ten commands were placed in the ark.

That was what accused the children of Israel and us. and that is why the priest went in once a year. to cover the mercy seat with Blood. So God could not see our guilt..

Thats what paul referred to in Gal 3

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

There is nothing in the Ten Commandments about sacrifices. The sacrifices were given because of sin- breaking the Ten Commandments. The sacrifices was always a placeholder for Jesus Heb 10:1-22 so now in the New Covenant- Jesus is our High Priest and we can go directly to Him when we sin (break God's law)- once He heals He says- go and sin no more. That is living in grace as we all have sinned and deserve the death penalty, but He took it for us. Jesus wants us to overcome sin and we can do that when we completely reply on Him. John 14:15-18 The Ten Commandments just show us our sin, so we know what we need to overcome and we depend on His righteousness not our own. Psa 119:172

why are you not seeing it?

The ten commands made us guilty
The sacrifices showed us how to be redeemed from being guilty

they go hand in hand. One law..

James said if you STUMBLED and broke even one (not on purpose) you were guilty of the whole.

How can you or I or anyone else be cleansed by the law? we cant

 

[Cameron143]

I will let scripture answer this...

1 John 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

You speak about love, but I asked you for a yes or no answer. I've asked it multiple times. But you chose to answer the way you preferred. If you had exercised love, you would have preferred to answer the way I asked...Philippians 2:3.
If you are going to teach, the example is first to do,and then to teach...Acts 1:1.
You don't have to answer or you can deflect in your answers, but don't kid yourself that you are loving or obedient.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

There you go. Only the ten commands were placed in the ark.

That was what accused the children of Israel and us. and that is why the priest went in once a year. to cover the mercy seat with Blood. So God could not see our guilt..

Thats what paul referred to in Gal 3

I'm not sure what you mean by "there you go" I did not write scripture.

Exo 40:20 He took the Testimony and put it into the ark, inserted the poles through the rings of the ark, and put the mercy seat on top of the ark.

Only the Ten Commandments was inside the ark. This was written by the finger of God- that no man is above.

All the other laws was placed outside the ark- there as a witness against for breaking what was inside the Ten Commandments.

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

The yearly attornment was for God to forgive their sins, not so they wouldn't see their guilt- God can see all of our guilt at any time.

Lev. 16:30 For on that day the priest shall make [a]atonement for you, to cleanse you, that you may be clean from all your sins before the Lord.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You speak about love, but I asked you for a yes or no answer. I've asked it multiple times. But you chose to answer the way you preferred. If you had exercised love, you would have preferred to answer the way I asked...Philippians 2:3.
If you are going to teach, the example is first to do,and then to teach...Acts 1:1.
You don't have to answer or you can deflect in your answers, but don't kid yourself that you are loving or obedient.

Hmmm I guess we have a different way of viewing things. I let the scripture answer the questions because my words mean nothing. If you consider this unloving that can be your choice, but only God knows our hearts so guess we will have to agree to disagree. Take care.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

why are you not seeing it?

The ten commands made us guilty
The sacrifices showed us how to be redeemed from being guilty

they go hand in hand. One law..

James said if you STUMBLED and broke even one (not on purpose) you were guilty of the whole.

How can you or I or anyone else be cleansed by the law? we cant

We don't have to sin- the Ten Commandments does show us our sin even in the new covenant Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 and before Jesus animal sacrifices were for the forgiveness of sins always pointing forward to Jesus. Heb 7, 9, 10 Now when we sin, we can go directly to Jesus whose blood covers us, but when he heals- He says go and sin no more. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21, not in sin and through Jesus He can give us the power to overcome- we just need a willing and humble heart and a whole lot of faith and love. 1 John 5:3 Romans 3:31 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Rev 14:12

 

[CS1]

I'm not sure what you mean by "there you go" I did not write scripture.

Exo 40:20 He took the Testimony and put it into the ark, inserted the poles through the rings of the ark, and put the mercy seat on top of the ark.

Only the Ten Commandments was inside the ark. This was written by the finger of God- that no man is above.

All the other laws was placed outside the ark- there as a witness against for breaking what was inside the Ten Commandments.

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

The yearly attornment was for God to forgive their sins, not so they wouldn't see their guilt- God can see all of our guilt at any time.

Lev. 16:30 For on that day the priest shall make [a]atonement for you, to cleanse you, that you may be clean from all your sins before the Lord.

that is because the 10 are moral Laws of God

And there are also ceremonial and civil laws.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I'm not sure what you mean by "there you go" I did not write scripture.

Exo 40:20 He took the Testimony and put it into the ark, inserted the poles through the rings of the ark, and put the mercy seat on top of the ark.

Only the Ten Commandments was inside the ark. This was written by the finger of God- that no man is above.

All the other laws was placed outside the ark- there as a witness against for breaking what was inside the Ten Commandments.

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

The yearly attornment was for God to forgive their sins, not so they wouldn't see their guilt- God can see all of our guilt at any time.

Lev. 16:30 For on that day the priest shall make [a]atonement for you, to cleanse you, that you may be clean from all your sins before the Lord.

Actually, Arrons rod that budded and the manna was in their also.

Yes the ten commands were put it. It was a testimony of Israels sins,.\

and all of it was given and mt sinai it is all the law. As I said.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

that is because the 10 are moral Laws of God

And there are also ceremonial and civil laws.

Amen! It would be impossible for God to write with His own finger an imperfect law. God is perfect and His law is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 It was Jesus taught on and kept, what the apostles taught on and kept and will be kept by His faithful until the very end of time. Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

We don't have to sin- the Ten Commandments does show us our sin even in the new covenant Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 and before Jesus animal sacrifices were for the forgiveness of sins always pointing forward to Jesus. Heb 7, 9, 10 Now when we sin, we can go directly to Jesus whose blood covers us, but when he heals- He says go and sin no more. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21, not in sin and through Jesus He can give us the power to overcome- we just need a willing and humble heart and a whole lot of faith and love. 1 John 5:3 Romans 3:31 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Rev 14:12

I never said we had to sin

I said the 10 commands prove our guilt. because no one has kept them

Thats why the blook was poured over the mercy seat. so the cherub could not see our guilt..

DO you understand atonement?