TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

[cv5]

Indian court bans animal sacrifice in 2014

So India intends on banning animal sacrifices in Israel as well?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

So India intends on banning animal sacrifices in Israel as well?

didn't you say animal sacrifice would be an abomination and desolation .

Well it's been going on in temples in India for years.

 

[Cameron143]

If you are referring to Margaret Macdonald, that notion has been thoroughly debunked here (many times).

You could search out old posts I made on that subject... or ones posted by @ewq1938 showing same (though he and I have differing "rapture-timing" views--I hold to "pre-trib," whereas ewq1938 is "post-trib," if memory serves...)


Two sentences of her writings were removed, which when viewed proved she was not supporting a "pre-trib rapture" idea, but a "post-trib rapture" one.

I'm not. But you should know who I am talking about. But that wasn't the point. That's why I didn't give a name.

 

[Cameron143]

I think your already explaining it I want quoting that to disagree but to show that it supports what your saying your position

each verse is explained by the context of what’s being said we are t meant to pluck out a single verse and try to interpret it independently was the point look where that verse is going what Jesus is talking about

Do you remenber when he entered Jerusalem ?

“And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

some accepted him that phrase is from prophecy it’s a recognition of the messiah the promised king of Israel

“took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

at the end of the world every human soul will acknolwedge him he was explaining that Jerusalem wouldn’t see him again until he returned everyone will see and acknolwedge him it’s not just going to be the people living on earth but all the dead are going to be raised when he returns

Do you at all see what I’m saying ? Jesus saying this

“Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:31-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬


make sense ? If they rejected tbier promised king it left then desolate he was the promise of thier covenant . When Jesus returns

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he didn’t have to return at any particular time for them to see and acknowledge him is my point th owe same who rejected him then can be raised up in ten thousand years and see him again because of the resurrection part they could sleep for ages and still see him at the same time everyone else does that verse is part of what he’s saying it doesn’t have or need an independent explaination is all I’m saying

If the dead are raised up when he returns that verse has absolutely no impact on the timing of anything because even though they died it’s not finished yet they’ll see him as everyone will but not until this happens

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:

and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Those who were dead before and those still alive that day will all see him all of creation Will and they also will acknowledge him

“in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,

and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,

and we shall be changed.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:52‬ ‭

everyone is going to see him when he returns those long dead and those left alive even those who pierced him will be raised up and see him

“Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There are two testaments brother the second begins with israel and spreads to the whole world the messiah was to come twice once at the end of each testament. There are two layers that need fulfillment Christ came and fulfilled the Old Testament promise of him but there’s another promise th at he will come back and raise the dead and judge the earth some to everlasting life others to everlasting contempt and destruction

everyone will see Jesus again and everyone will acknolwedge his name

“for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

everyone’s going to see Jesus again and it will be at a time they are all forced to acknowledge him whether they believed in life or not

seems like a distraction because you were making really good sense in your position was the only point that verse has context

Yeah, I knew what you were doing. But palm Sunday came before Jesus' statement to the Pharisees. So for me, personally, there is more to understand on the passage
Thanks as always for your insight.

 

[douggg]

Did you know they only banned animal sacrifice in the temple of India in 2014

And now there reopening it, just been on the news today there reopening a temple 400 years old


Maybe your all looking in the wrong place

@Thunderrr-mental Are you a preterist ?

 

[douggg]

didn't you say animal sacrifice would be an abomination and desolation .

Well it's been going on in temples in India for years.

The abomination of desolation will be a statue image of the beast-king "setup" on the temple mount.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The abomination of desolation will be a statue image of the beast-king "setup" on the temple mount.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

either you believe something or you don't.

The abomination is the desolation of the lords temple

Get it man

The rapture theology was set up by Christian evangelists of the wrong type ( Zionists)

There responsible for the death of many Christians in Isreal and else where (the lambs)

This abomination is the desolation

How about that for a new theology Mr theologian

 

[Jimbone]

Stuck in a padded room echo chamber in a mental and spiritual straitjacket must really be a bummer. Made worse by his raving roommate @Thunderrr-mental

Why is it only the condition of us who believe and see it this way? Why is it not you and this dispensational pre-mill mental straitjacket echo chamber patting each other on the back? Only one side of this debate has to READ INTO scripture their view. Who has the Bible+chart+timeline+guru (all those +'s are not good) to even start to understand it? Just asking.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Why is it only the condition of us who believe and see it this way? Why is it not you and this dispensational pre-mill mental straitjacket echo chamber patting each other on the back? Only one side of this debate has to READ INTO scripture their view. Who has the Bible+chart+timeline+guru (all those +'s are not good) to even start to understand it? Just asking.

exactly what I've been saying all along

 

[douggg]

either you believe something or you don't.

The abomination is the desolation of the lords temple

Get it man

The rapture theology was set up by Christian evangelists of the wrong type ( Zionists)

There responsible for the death of many Christians in Isreal and else where (the lambs)

This abomination is the desolation

How about that for a new theology Mr theologian

Are you a preterist ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yeah, I knew what you were doing. But palm Sunday came before Jesus' statement to the Pharisees. So for me, personally, there is more to understand on the passage
Thanks as always for your insight.

of course chapter 21 came before 23 that wasn’t at all my point but I’ll let you figure it out sorry bro

Do consider Jesus death changes the words of the testament ….

“For a testament is of force after men are dead:

otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:17‬ ‭

 

[Jimbone]

either you believe something or you don't.

The abomination is the desolation of the lords temple

Get it man

The rapture theology was set up by Christian evangelists of the wrong type ( Zionists)

There responsible for the death of many Christians in Isreal and else where (the lambs)

This abomination is the desolation

How about that for a new theology Mr theologian

Yes!!, If you read the same part in Luke where Jesus mentions the AoD in Matthew, he says it differently. He doesn't say "When you see the Abomination of Desolation", instead to a more gentile audience he writes "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies". Kind of like EXACTLY what happen in 70ad. Hmmm. So was their house left to them desolate as well? I do think it was.

 

[cv5]

Why is it only the condition of us who believe and see it this way? Why is it not you and this dispensational pre-mill mental straitjacket echo chamber patting each other on the back? Only one side of this debate has to READ INTO scripture their view. Who has the Bible+chart+timeline+guru (all those +'s are not good) to even start to understand it? Just asking.

1) Because we've got the goods (the Bible record that we consider as an absolute datum reference).
2) And are packing the gear (careful vigilant scholarship).

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Yes!!, If you read the same part in Luke where Jesus mentions the AoD in Matthew, he says it differently. He doesn't say "When you see the Abomination of Desolation", instead to a more gentile audience he writes "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies". Kind of like EXACTLY what happen in 70ad. Hmmm. So was their house left to them desolate as well? I do think it was.

yes and @Cameron143 said the same thing. Which was a valid point.

But was that lords temple actually the lords temple ?

Well it may have been but when I don't know.

Thessalonians 2 speaks of the lords temple being desolate

Which temple would that be is my point

It couldn't be a temple with animal sacrifice in because that wouldn't be the lords temple

Can you see my point

 

[douggg]

either you believe something or you don't.

The abomination is the desolation of the lords temple

Get it man

The rapture theology was set up by Christian evangelists of the wrong type ( Zionists)

There responsible for the death of many Christians in Isreal and else where (the lambs)

This abomination is the desolation

How about that for a new theology Mr theologian

You did not address the 1290 days and the 1335 days of Daniel 12:11-12, regarding the abomination of desolation setup.

Also, are you a preterist ? Are you a futurist ?

 

[Jimbone]

1) Because we've got the goods (the Bible record that we consider as an absolute datum reference).
2) And are packing the gear (careful vigilant scholarship).

Says nothing about the actual subject matter. I'm starting to see that many on here do a lot of disagreeing with offering very little actual substance ever.
#1 Yeah, we all have the Bible by His grace and awesomeness. Agreed.
#2 I've been missing this part coming from you. I don't see much "gear" from you at all. Just meaningless bickering like this. Or walls of text to hide behind, but no honest and serious interaction with what is actually presented by the other side.

Prove me wrong, I could be. Maybe I've just ignored all the really good arguments from you and focused only of the self centered, closed minded, condescending and insulting comments. Remind me of your best "Gear"(careful vigilant scholarship). Because I don't recall ANY of that at all.

 

[cv5]

Remind me of your best "Gear"(careful vigilant scholarship). Because I don't recall ANY of that at all.

Just use the search function.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

You did not address the 1290 days and the 1335 days of Daniel 12:11-12, regarding the abomination of desolation setup.

Also, are you a preterist ? Are you a futurist ?

oh I have addressed it many times

There has been many major events of raptures past and present you just where not there to see them

Does that make me a preterist or a futurist

Nope

In my eye a preterist is someone who denies the word of God and someone who decided to label Christians preterists as to get them sacrificed.

That was probably the antiChrist you can't identify

 

[Jimbone]

yes and @Cameron143 said the same thing. Which was a valid point.

But was that lords temple actually the lords temple ?

Well it may have been but when I don't know.

Thessalonians 2 speaks of the lords temple being desolate

Which temple would that be is my point

It couldn't be a temple with animal sacrifice in because that wouldn't be the lords temple

Can you see my point

I would say yes because that would make it the "Holy Place" where the Abomination of Desolation would take place. Plus Ezra, Haggai, Zechariah, and more confirm that this was His temple.

 

[Jimbone]

Just use the search function.

Exactly what I thought. Have a good day.