Foolish NATO generals want war, not peace

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Nehemiah6

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According to the published mandate of NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization), they are supposed to find PEACEFUL RESOLUTIONS to disputes as noted below from their own website:

MILITARY – NATO is committed to the peaceful resolution of disputes. If diplomatic efforts fail, it has the military power to undertake crisis-management operations. These are carried out under the collective defence clause of NATO's founding treaty – Article 5 of the Washington Treaty or under a United Nations mandate, alone or in cooperation with other countries and international organisations.
https://www.nato.int/nato-welcome

But now, according to their own generals, they are pushing for war with Russia, instead of negotiating peace.
Senior NATO Official Says There Will Be A Hot War With Russia
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senior-nato-official-says-there-will-be-hot-war-russia
"A high ranking NATO official has stated that people in Europe should prepare for a full on war with Russia sometime in the next two decades."

Admiral Rob Bauer, chairman of Nato’s Military Committee, told reporters following a meeting of Nato defence chiefs in Brussels that governments need to start putting preparations in place, and that civilians will need to be mobilised on a large scale. [IMAGINE]

In order to provoke Russia:
"NATO will launch its biggest military exercises in decades next week with around 90,000 personnel set to take part in months of drills aimed at showing the alliance can defend all of its territory up to its border with Russia, top officers said."

Now is this not plain foolishness and war-mongering? Just when the conflict in Ukraine should be ended. here come the "smart" NATO generals telling the world "We do not want peace. All we want is war and more war." This will ensure that the West squanders its wealth and its people on useless wars. And NATO wants to involve civilians in their war games.

NATO was relevant as long as the Soviet Union existed. Once the USSR collapsed, there should have been a total re-examination of what should be the role of NATO (if any). Russia under Putin was never a threat to Western Europe. Indeed Russia was supplying oil and gas to European countries.

When Russia annexed Crimea, Ukraine was not a member of NATO. Therefore NATO could not technically get involved with Russia. At the same time, the countries bordering the western border of the Russian Federation are not in the North Atlantic --in fact very far from it. Therefore (1) Finland, (2) Estonia, (3)Latvia, (4) Lithuania, (5)Ukraine and (6) even Poland, owed it to themselves that after 2014, they would form their own defense alliance and set up a strong deterrent to Russia along its western border (Belarus is a staunch ally of Russia so it would not be a part of this). Even the Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden, and Denmark) could have joined this defense alliance, since Russia's Kaliningrad faces them. They could have easily avoided NATO altogether, and thus NATO could not have provoked Russia. But NATO's offer to include Ukraine and Sweden into their membership became a threat to Russia.

Way back in February, 2022, there was a chance of avoiding the war in Ukraine altogether. A peaceful settlement would have meant that Ukraine would lose some territory to Russia. But Russia could have been put on notice that any threat to Ukraine after that would bring down the full force of NATO. But no, Biden and all the Western political leaders hoped to destroy Russia through a proxy war, and they have all miserably failed, after wasting billions of dollars.

"US officials reportedly assess that Ukraine will have to fight a long war and continue efforts to secure as much security assistance as possible for Ukraine before 2025 while expecting that positional fighting may continue in Ukraine until 2026."
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates
 

HealthAndHappiness

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According to the published mandate of NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization), they are supposed to find PEACEFUL RESOLUTIONS to disputes as noted below from their own website:

MILITARY – NATO is committed to the peaceful resolution of disputes. If diplomatic efforts fail, it has the military power to undertake crisis-management operations. These are carried out under the collective defence clause of NATO's founding treaty – Article 5 of the Washington Treaty or under a United Nations mandate, alone or in cooperation with other countries and international organisations.
https://www.nato.int/nato-welcome

But now, according to their own generals, they are pushing for war with Russia, instead of negotiating peace.
Senior NATO Official Says There Will Be A Hot War With Russia
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senior-nato-official-says-there-will-be-hot-war-russia
"A high ranking NATO official has stated that people in Europe should prepare for a full on war with Russia sometime in the next two decades."

Admiral Rob Bauer, chairman of Nato’s Military Committee, told reporters following a meeting of Nato defence chiefs in Brussels that governments need to start putting preparations in place, and that civilians will need to be mobilised on a large scale. [IMAGINE]

In order to provoke Russia:
"NATO will launch its biggest military exercises in decades next week with around 90,000 personnel set to take part in months of drills aimed at showing the alliance can defend all of its territory up to its border with Russia, top officers said."

Now is this not plain foolishness and war-mongering? Just when the conflict in Ukraine should be ended. here come the "smart" NATO generals telling the world "We do not want peace. All we want is war and more war." This will ensure that the West squanders its wealth and its people on useless wars. And NATO wants to involve civilians in their war games.

NATO was relevant as long as the Soviet Union existed. Once the USSR collapsed, there should have been a total re-examination of what should be the role of NATO (if any). Russia under Putin was never a threat to Western Europe. Indeed Russia was supplying oil and gas to European countries.

When Russia annexed Crimea, Ukraine was not a member of NATO. Therefore NATO could not technically get involved with Russia. At the same time, the countries bordering the western border of the Russian Federation are not in the North Atlantic --in fact very far from it. Therefore (1) Finland, (2) Estonia, (3)Latvia, (4) Lithuania, (5)Ukraine and (6) even Poland, owed it to themselves that after 2014, they would form their own defense alliance and set up a strong deterrent to Russia along its western border (Belarus is a staunch ally of Russia so it would not be a part of this). Even the Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden, and Denmark) could have joined this defense alliance, since Russia's Kaliningrad faces them. They could have easily avoided NATO altogether, and thus NATO could not have provoked Russia. But NATO's offer to include Ukraine and Sweden into their membership became a threat to Russia.

Way back in February, 2022, there was a chance of avoiding the war in Ukraine altogether. A peaceful settlement would have meant that Ukraine would lose some territory to Russia. But Russia could have been put on notice that any threat to Ukraine after that would bring down the full force of NATO. But no, Biden and all the Western political leaders hoped to destroy Russia through a proxy war, and they have all miserably failed, after wasting billions of dollars.

"US officials reportedly assess that Ukraine will have to fight a long war and continue efforts to secure as much security assistance as possible for Ukraine before 2025 while expecting that positional fighting may continue in Ukraine until 2026."
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates
They've got major financial incentives to instigate, encourage wars. The brass gets paid a lot more during conflict active duty than peacetime. And that's peanuts to what the contractors and C👁️A pays them. They aren't like general Flynn from all reports. They're political positions that profit from wars.
 

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They've got major financial incentives to instigate, encourage wars. The brass gets paid a lot more during conflict active duty than peacetime. And that's peanuts to what the contractors and C👁️A pays them. They aren't like general Flynn from all reports. They're political positions that profit from wars.
n a t o has done everything short of launching missiles and bombing moscow to push putin to strike.

so far, he has not fell for it.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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n a t o has done everything short of launching missiles and bombing moscow to push putin to strike.

so far, he has not fell for it.

Yes, they are pushing for war like a yapping Chihuahua lunging on a leash.
Sleepy Joe must have a LOT of defense contract investments to go with the demons in him to be doing the same.

Do you think WW3 has begun if looking back in hindsight 4 years from now, or is there another catylist that has to occur?
 

Nehemiah6

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Do you think WW3 has begun if looking back in hindsight 4 years from now, or is there another catalyst that has to occur?
The catalyst will be giving Ukraine membership in NATO. Ukraine is about 6,000 km from the North Atlantic Ocean, but that makes no difference to the war-mongers. So once Ukraine is in NATO, NATO will provoke Putin to go to war. That's why they are projecting a war already. They are conditioning people to believe that there are no alternatives.

So now what Trump has to do after reclaiming the White House is immediately cancel America's membership in (1) NATO, (2) the United Nations and (3) the World Health Organization.

Once that is done, he must meet with Vladimir Putin face-to-face in a totally neutral location, and assure him the the USA will not go to war with Russia, regardless of what others do. A peace treaty would be in order. Then he must also negotiate a peaceful settlement of the war with Ukraine, by sitting down with both Putin and Zelensky to get another peace treaty signed. This will deflate NATO's balloon in a hurry ,since American dollars keep it afloat.
 

Nehemiah6

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What's even more scary is that if NATO goes to war with Russia, China will not simply stand by.
"The increasingly close relationship between China and Russia has been decades in the making, but Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has tightened their embrace. Both countries made a clear strategic choice to prioritize relations with each other, given what they perceive as a common threat from the U.S.-led West."
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/09/1...cs-sco-economy-military-war-ukraine-putin-xi/

NATO is not capable of taking on both Russia and China, and yet these foolish generals have ignored this hard reality.
 

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According to the published mandate of NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization), they are supposed to find PEACEFUL RESOLUTIONS to disputes as noted below from their own website:

MILITARY – NATO is committed to the peaceful resolution of disputes. If diplomatic efforts fail, it has the military power to undertake crisis-management operations. These are carried out under the collective defence clause of NATO's founding treaty – Article 5 of the Washington Treaty or under a United Nations mandate, alone or in cooperation with other countries and international organisations.
https://www.nato.int/nato-welcome

But now, according to their own generals, they are pushing for war with Russia, instead of negotiating peace.
Senior NATO Official Says There Will Be A Hot War With Russia
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senior-nato-official-says-there-will-be-hot-war-russia
"A high ranking NATO official has stated that people in Europe should prepare for a full on war with Russia sometime in the next two decades."

Admiral Rob Bauer, chairman of Nato’s Military Committee, told reporters following a meeting of Nato defence chiefs in Brussels that governments need to start putting preparations in place, and that civilians will need to be mobilised on a large scale. [IMAGINE]

In order to provoke Russia:
"NATO will launch its biggest military exercises in decades next week with around 90,000 personnel set to take part in months of drills aimed at showing the alliance can defend all of its territory up to its border with Russia, top officers said."

Now is this not plain foolishness and war-mongering? Just when the conflict in Ukraine should be ended. here come the "smart" NATO generals telling the world "We do not want peace. All we want is war and more war." This will ensure that the West squanders its wealth and its people on useless wars. And NATO wants to involve civilians in their war games.

NATO was relevant as long as the Soviet Union existed. Once the USSR collapsed, there should have been a total re-examination of what should be the role of NATO (if any). Russia under Putin was never a threat to Western Europe. Indeed Russia was supplying oil and gas to European countries.

When Russia annexed Crimea, Ukraine was not a member of NATO. Therefore NATO could not technically get involved with Russia. At the same time, the countries bordering the western border of the Russian Federation are not in the North Atlantic --in fact very far from it. Therefore (1) Finland, (2) Estonia, (3)Latvia, (4) Lithuania, (5)Ukraine and (6) even Poland, owed it to themselves that after 2014, they would form their own defense alliance and set up a strong deterrent to Russia along its western border (Belarus is a staunch ally of Russia so it would not be a part of this). Even the Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden, and Denmark) could have joined this defense alliance, since Russia's Kaliningrad faces them. They could have easily avoided NATO altogether, and thus NATO could not have provoked Russia. But NATO's offer to include Ukraine and Sweden into their membership became a threat to Russia.

Way back in February, 2022, there was a chance of avoiding the war in Ukraine altogether. A peaceful settlement would have meant that Ukraine would lose some territory to Russia. But Russia could have been put on notice that any threat to Ukraine after that would bring down the full force of NATO. But no, Biden and all the Western political leaders hoped to destroy Russia through a proxy war, and they have all miserably failed, after wasting billions of dollars.

"US officials reportedly assess that Ukraine will have to fight a long war and continue efforts to secure as much security assistance as possible for Ukraine before 2025 while expecting that positional fighting may continue in Ukraine until 2026."
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates
What seems to be universally ignored is that Ukraine was offered security guarantees for effectively disarming. The megalomaniac Putin decided to take advantage of perceived NATO weakness and invaded part of Ukraine in 2014. No response of any note from the West. Putin supposedly modernised the Russian army. That it was a complete failure is obvious. A 3 day "special operation" has turned into a death trap for Russian forces.

The idea that NATO has ever been a threat to Russia is just wrong. Tell me one offensive that NATO has launched against Russia ever. NATO was run down, complacent, under resourced and undermanned. Putin thought it was a good time to implement the next state of his grand plan. What he did not count on was that the Ukraine military realised that Putin was about to attack while even Ukraine's government refused to believe it. So a rag tag Ukraine army held off the "second best military in the world". With support from the West, justified in my opinion, Ukraine has held Russia to a deadly stalemate.

Russia brought this whole scenario on itself. Putin imagined that he could bully Ukraine as he had the other countries he's attacked since he took power. Ukraine has surprised everyone, even taking back some of the territory occupied by Russia's initial invasion.

This war should not have happened. Putin should have been warned off in the first place. He should have been compelled to return to pre-2014 borders. Dictators only understand force.

The actual cost of supplying Ukraine is grossly overstated. Much of the weaponry is surplus or obsolete. It is good enough but not cutting edge.

The real victims in the war are the civilians on both sides. Russia is spending so much on the war that basic infrastructure is falling apart and unable to be repaired. Civilians in Ukraine are deliberately targeted by Russia, which is a war crime. Russian men are either fighting at the front or have fled overseas. Ukraine is much the same. And for what? To feed the delusional ambitions of Vladimir Putin, who wants to be known as "Putin the Great". How do I know? He's said so. And he is doing what he can to bring it to pass.

NATO either supports Ukraine to defeat Russia or faces Russia head on with Ukraine under Russian control. Putin cannot back down and NATO cannot afford to let him succeed.
 

Nehemiah6

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NATO either supports Ukraine to defeat Russia or faces Russia head on with Ukraine under Russian control. Putin cannot back down and NATO cannot afford to let him succeed.
As I stated above "NATO is not capable of taking on both Russia and China, and yet these foolish generals have ignored this hard reality." As far as China and Russia are concerned, NATO is to blame for the war in Ukraine:

"In an April 2022 press conference, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Zhao Lijian offered a concise overview of the government’s messaging: The Russia-Ukraine conflict, to a large extent, is the result of Western arrogance and successive mistakes over the last 30-plus years and NATO’s eastward expansion is the root cause of the ongoing conflict … As the world’s people can see, instead of bringing about peace, NATO’s expansion has led to seriously damaged mutual trust and regional turmoil and tensions to the extent that the situation is spiraling out of control.3"

"Putin had repeatedly asserted prior to the war that NATO and its military infrastructure were creeping closer to Russia's borders by accepting new members from eastern Europe, and that the alliance was now preparing to bring Ukraine into its orbit too. Putin publicly said that represented an existential threat to Russia, forcing him to react."
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...eace-deal-recommended-by-his-aide-2022-09-14/

At the very least one of the Western leaders should have tried to sit down with Putin and discuss peace. But the West wanted a proxy war with Russia.
A global proxy war: Ukraine is now the center of our Eurasian competition with Russia and China
https://thehill.com/opinion/interna...r-eurasian-competition-with-russia-and-china/
 

Moses_Young

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They've got major financial incentives to instigate, encourage wars. The brass gets paid a lot more during conflict active duty than peacetime. And that's peanuts to what the contractors and C👁️A pays them. They aren't like general Flynn from all reports. They're political positions that profit from wars.
Perhaps its not all about money? From what it is alleged that some of these people have been engaged in, some may be guilty of capital crimes.

A criminal without conscience who knows the penalty for his crimes is death, may commit further egregious crimes in order to conceal his original crimes.
 

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Looks like Russian disinformation has gotten a firm grip on many people in the western world. A disturbingly large number of Republicans seem to have bought into Putin’s propaganda. Why? I’m not going to mention any names, but there are people, on full public display, who praises Putin repeatedly. Ronald Reagan must be rolling in his grave.
 

Moses_Young

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Looks like Russian disinformation has gotten a firm grip on many people in the western world. A disturbingly large number of Republicans seem to have bought into Putin’s propaganda. Why? I’m not going to mention any names, but there are people, on full public display, who praises Putin repeatedly. Ronald Reagan must be rolling in his grave.
Putin (at least in his public speeches), is trying to prevent a world war. I suggest that Ronald Reagan, or any honest president, would be doing likewise.
 

Nehemiah6

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Looks like Russian disinformation has gotten a firm grip on many people in the western world.
What about the massive amount of American disinformation and gaslighting flowing out of the White House daily? And what about the censorship of conservatives which was actually orchestrated by the Biden administration? What about the three years of disinformation from the various American agencies regarding COVID 19 and the mRNA vaccines (both bioweapons)? What about the disinformation by the Democratic party regarding the "Russian Collusion" Hoax? When you seriously think about it, there has been more disinformation from America than Russia.

Getting back to the war-mongering NATO generals and why Putin sees NATO as an existential threat, and why China fully supports Russia, how many of the NATO generals have actually made a sincere attempt to sit down and talk to Vladimir Putin? Their mandate is for peaceful resolutions FIRST (see the OP) and they should have honored their own commitment. Instead they are launching the biggest military exercises in decades. If NATO declares war on Russia, it will have to deal with China and Russia at the same time. Which will mean WWIII. And the NATO generals are talking about involving civilians. Do they mean making civilians into cannon fodder?
 

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What about the massive amount of American disinformation and gaslighting flowing out of the White House daily? And what about the censorship of conservatives which was actually orchestrated by the Biden administration? What about the three years of disinformation from the various American agencies regarding COVID 19 and the mRNA vaccines (both bioweapons)? What about the disinformation by the Democratic party regarding the "Russian Collusion" Hoax? When you seriously think about it, there has been more disinformation from America than Russia.

Getting back to the war-mongering NATO generals and why Putin sees NATO as an existential threat, and why China fully supports Russia, how many of the NATO generals have actually made a sincere attempt to sit down and talk to Vladimir Putin? Their mandate is for peaceful resolutions FIRST (see the OP) and they should have honored their own commitment. Instead they are launching the biggest military exercises in decades. If NATO declares war on Russia, it will have to deal with China and Russia at the same time. Which will mean WWIII. And the NATO generals are talking about involving civilians. Do they mean making civilians into cannon fodder?
Serious, talking to Putin?. Why the allied powers did not spoke to Hitler?
NATO is not able to make war to russia. So why they should plan it?
One thing we can know now. You cant trust Putin.
Putin will only accept power. He is not accepting talking about peace. This is weakness in his eyes. He dreams from his great russian Imperium again.
 

Nehemiah6

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One thing we can know now. You cant trust Putin.
Neither can you trust Biden or any of the leaders of the Western world who have all betrayed their countries. Right now Germany is being betrayed by its own government. You can't trust Zelensky either. So that is hardly the reason to avoid talking to Putin. And NATO is supposed to be using diplomacy first.
 

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According to the published mandate of NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization), they are supposed to find PEACEFUL RESOLUTIONS to disputes as noted below from their own website:

MILITARY – NATO is committed to the peaceful resolution of disputes. If diplomatic efforts fail, it has the military power to undertake crisis-management operations. These are carried out under the collective defence clause of NATO's founding treaty – Article 5 of the Washington Treaty or under a United Nations mandate, alone or in cooperation with other countries and international organisations.
https://www.nato.int/nato-welcome

But now, according to their own generals, they are pushing for war with Russia, instead of negotiating peace.
Senior NATO Official Says There Will Be A Hot War With Russia
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senior-nato-official-says-there-will-be-hot-war-russia
"A high ranking NATO official has stated that people in Europe should prepare for a full on war with Russia sometime in the next two decades."

Admiral Rob Bauer, chairman of Nato’s Military Committee, told reporters following a meeting of Nato defence chiefs in Brussels that governments need to start putting preparations in place, and that civilians will need to be mobilised on a large scale. [IMAGINE]

In order to provoke Russia:
"NATO will launch its biggest military exercises in decades next week with around 90,000 personnel set to take part in months of drills aimed at showing the alliance can defend all of its territory up to its border with Russia, top officers said."

Now is this not plain foolishness and war-mongering? Just when the conflict in Ukraine should be ended. here come the "smart" NATO generals telling the world "We do not want peace. All we want is war and more war." This will ensure that the West squanders its wealth and its people on useless wars. And NATO wants to involve civilians in their war games.

NATO was relevant as long as the Soviet Union existed. Once the USSR collapsed, there should have been a total re-examination of what should be the role of NATO (if any). Russia under Putin was never a threat to Western Europe. Indeed Russia was supplying oil and gas to European countries.

When Russia annexed Crimea, Ukraine was not a member of NATO. Therefore NATO could not technically get involved with Russia. At the same time, the countries bordering the western border of the Russian Federation are not in the North Atlantic --in fact very far from it. Therefore (1) Finland, (2) Estonia, (3)Latvia, (4) Lithuania, (5)Ukraine and (6) even Poland, owed it to themselves that after 2014, they would form their own defense alliance and set up a strong deterrent to Russia along its western border (Belarus is a staunch ally of Russia so it would not be a part of this). Even the Scandinavian countries (Norway, Sweden, and Denmark) could have joined this defense alliance, since Russia's Kaliningrad faces them. They could have easily avoided NATO altogether, and thus NATO could not have provoked Russia. But NATO's offer to include Ukraine and Sweden into their membership became a threat to Russia.

Way back in February, 2022, there was a chance of avoiding the war in Ukraine altogether. A peaceful settlement would have meant that Ukraine would lose some territory to Russia. But Russia could have been put on notice that any threat to Ukraine after that would bring down the full force of NATO. But no, Biden and all the Western political leaders hoped to destroy Russia through a proxy war, and they have all miserably failed, after wasting billions of dollars.

"US officials reportedly assess that Ukraine will have to fight a long war and continue efforts to secure as much security assistance as possible for Ukraine before 2025 while expecting that positional fighting may continue in Ukraine until 2026."
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates
Thats a result of the peace movement in the last decades. It make no sense to talk with autocrats which have only theirself in view.
Putin publiced a year before He attacked the ucraine that his goal is a great russian Imperium which encludes bela rus and the ucraine. And he thaught He would have an easy way to defeat the ucraine.
Thats not happend. People in moldavia and other east countrys are in fear( understandable, or would you like to live under Putin?).
So it is important to show him that he csn not do what he want.
 

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Neither can you trust Biden or any of the leaders of the Western world who have all betrayed their countries. Right now Germany is being betrayed by its own government. You can't trust Zelensky either. So that is hardly the reason to avoid talking to Putin. And NATO is supposed to be using diplomacy first.
For to make peace you need 2 sides, right?
 

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Putin publiced a year before He attacked the ucraine that his goal is a great russian Imperium which encludes bela rus and the ucraine. And he thaught He would have an easy way to defeat the ucraine.
Would you mind giving the source?
 

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The United Nations supports new age organizations, and is with them as well as Science.

The new age movement is why the world rebels against God led by the New Age Christ.

It is a Caucasian led plan believing they are evolving to be spiritual, and the 5th root race is the Europeans, and America is the germ of the 5th root race, 6th sub-race, in the evolutionary process.

After WW1 involving Europe, League of Nations, to try to get the nations to work for peace on earth.

After WW2 involving Europe, United Nations, to try to get the nations to work for peace on earth.

They can say what they want about why they happened, but I believe it was a set up so those 2 organizations could be born.

And now they want a one world government so Europe will be at it again to drive the world to a one world government.

Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.

They do not believe the New Age Christ will help them to have peace, advance, and evolve, until the nations governments come together to work for peace on earth, so that is what they are working on by conflict.

Because people are arrogant, and self exalting, and if things are going peaceful they will not come together for they are at odds with each other.

But they will come together if there is chaos for they will feel they have to incorporate the help of others they normally fight with to have peace because it affects their nation, and people.

An example is 911 where the American people had a threat against them so there was patriotism, and the people uniting against the enemy, and flags going up on the vehicles.

But when the threat is clear, and they think is is over, then the flag comes down from the vehicle, and the middle finger goes back up, and it is back to business as usual.

Which the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world, which she shall devour the earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces by way of the new age movement being the only thing allowed to be preached in the world.

They shall mingle themselves among the seed of men, but they will not cleave to one another even as iron does not mix with clay, but they will tolerate each other to work for peace on earth.

The European governments, and Russia, know of the plan, so they are playing a game like they are against each other which is a scare tactic.

Which the one world government will be a balance between democracy and communism, and the one world religious system a balance between atheist, and spirituality, which they believe they are evolving to be spiritual, and their higher power the God of forces, or the power of nature.

Which America and Russia were working together all along as the 2 opposing forces in the Hegel System, the same as Republican and Democrat are working together as the 2 opposing forces in the Hegel System.

They are going to collapse America on purpose, and their collapse will be the rise of the New World Order.

They will try to cripple the people physically, mentally, and financially.

That is why they are speaking of so many diseases coming out, and more severe, and they try to create diseases that will impact them more severely, and stay with them longer.

The American system with the way it operates with the democracy, and capitalism, and freedoms, and the pursuit of money, and material things, and worldliness, and fleshy pleasures, has to collapse for they will not be compatible with the New World Order that will not operate like that.

Also America is the peace keepers of the world and with them out of the way becoming not effective at that the world will have to come together to work for peace on earth.
 

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⚡ALERT: NATO ADMIRAL TELLS TRUTH "STOCKPILE FOOD AND PREPARE FOR ALL OUT NUCLEAR WAR"'


Foolish people refuse to prepare for what is coming despite these very clear warnings.