TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!
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It is not a stretch considering His Grace and patience.
This is Paul"s perspective of the Church at Ephesus. Right before 70AD.
Eph 1:15~~For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints,
And John writes:
Rev 2~~
4 But I have this against you, that you have left your first love. 5 Therefore, remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and I will remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.
Quite the change in perspective for being the same time frame don't ya think?
This is Paul"s perspective of the Church at Ephesus. Right before 70AD.
Eph 1:15~~For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints,
And John writes:
Rev 2~~
4 But I have this against you, that you have left your first love. 5 Therefore, remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and I will remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.
Quite the change in perspective for being the same time frame don't ya think?
I understand your position a little bit better, I think, but 1Corinthians 15 gives me pause in seeing that the last trump has occurred, where the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death (1Cor15:26), and death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire (Rev 20:14). Now, if the false prophet and the antichrist have been cast into the lof, then they are gone forever and no one will see nor hear from them ever again, but we still see and hear of death all too frequently for it to have been destroyed. Will it continue to exist perpetually 'in this world'?
You always presume much in your responses and insinuate much as well. Of course it's loving to share truth with people. But we are to share the truth in love. So there is more to love than merely sharing truth. Belittling others doesn't fit the bill of truth in love regardless of your sentiments to the contrary.
And you comparing yourself to Jesus as if you are omniscient and can see into people's hearts and judge righteously is the epitome of pride. That's why Jesus told us to love others and leave judgment to Him.
But nothing I write will convince you otherwise. So...grace and peace.
And you comparing yourself to Jesus as if you are omniscient and can see into people's hearts and judge righteously is the epitome of pride. That's why Jesus told us to love others and leave judgment to Him.
But nothing I write will convince you otherwise. So...grace and peace.
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lol ok well you interrupted the first part of my question.
If you don't know me by now I always keep my trump cards for the end game 😋
The second part of the question issssssssss
If the rapture has happened in full, shouldn't we be seeing our loved ones 🥳
You know like our loved ones returning to planet earth with a glorified body 🤔
If you don't know me by now I always keep my trump cards for the end game 😋
The second part of the question issssssssss
If the rapture has happened in full, shouldn't we be seeing our loved ones 🥳
You know like our loved ones returning to planet earth with a glorified body 🤔
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Sure. I have explained this earlier but I'll try again.
Who holds the keys to death and hell now? Revelation 1:18 Jesus says He does. Who had them before the resurrection?
So why aren't are there still some of the effects of sin and death still with us?
Let's look for a moment at how death began. God made Adam and Eve. He placed them in the garden with 1 rule, and told them that in the day they broke that rule they would surely die. They did break the rule, and they did both begin to die physically, and immediately they died spiritually. But Adam still lived beyond 900 years. As more people come into the world, sin increases and longevity decreases. By the time David comes into the world, life expectancy is 70 to 80 years...Psalm 90:10. During the first century it was still lower. Today it is in the 70's again.
Another line of thought...
In the beginning, God came and walked each day with Adam and Eve and spoke with them. After sin, God spoke sporadically to some in the OT. Then He began speaking through prophets. And eventually 400 years of silence until the advent of Christ.
Look at the layout of the temple. It had an outer court for Gentiles. Inside this was a court for Jewish women. Inside this was a court for Jewish men. Inside this is a court for the priests. And within this was the Holy of Holies where 1 man 1 time each year was allowed to go in and speak with God.
From the onset of sin to the advent of Christ, things were getting worse both physically and spiritually. People were dying progressively faster and God Himself was increasingly difficult for people to draw near.
Then Jesus comes. He dies and is resurrected. The veil is rent. He shows up with the keys to death and hell after announcing that He would build His church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Far from being hard to reach, all believers have been made priests and have direct access to the throne room of God. There's a new Sheriff in town.
But just as things didn't deteriorate over night, God has chosen to put things back as they were in very deliberate fashion. But make no mistake. Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. And He is, and He will continue to do so. The effects of sin will eventually be reversed, and the kingdoms of this world will fully become the kingdoms of our God and Christ...Revelation 11:15.
The effects of sin weren't immediately known but increased over time. Why is it odd that the effects of the resurrection would do so as well?
Who holds the keys to death and hell now? Revelation 1:18 Jesus says He does. Who had them before the resurrection?
So why aren't are there still some of the effects of sin and death still with us?
Let's look for a moment at how death began. God made Adam and Eve. He placed them in the garden with 1 rule, and told them that in the day they broke that rule they would surely die. They did break the rule, and they did both begin to die physically, and immediately they died spiritually. But Adam still lived beyond 900 years. As more people come into the world, sin increases and longevity decreases. By the time David comes into the world, life expectancy is 70 to 80 years...Psalm 90:10. During the first century it was still lower. Today it is in the 70's again.
Another line of thought...
In the beginning, God came and walked each day with Adam and Eve and spoke with them. After sin, God spoke sporadically to some in the OT. Then He began speaking through prophets. And eventually 400 years of silence until the advent of Christ.
Look at the layout of the temple. It had an outer court for Gentiles. Inside this was a court for Jewish women. Inside this was a court for Jewish men. Inside this is a court for the priests. And within this was the Holy of Holies where 1 man 1 time each year was allowed to go in and speak with God.
From the onset of sin to the advent of Christ, things were getting worse both physically and spiritually. People were dying progressively faster and God Himself was increasingly difficult for people to draw near.
Then Jesus comes. He dies and is resurrected. The veil is rent. He shows up with the keys to death and hell after announcing that He would build His church and the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Far from being hard to reach, all believers have been made priests and have direct access to the throne room of God. There's a new Sheriff in town.
But just as things didn't deteriorate over night, God has chosen to put things back as they were in very deliberate fashion. But make no mistake. Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. And He is, and He will continue to do so. The effects of sin will eventually be reversed, and the kingdoms of this world will fully become the kingdoms of our God and Christ...Revelation 11:15.
The effects of sin weren't immediately known but increased over time. Why is it odd that the effects of the resurrection would do so as well?
That underlined part is the wrong question... it should be, "and what are the things that must come to pass in quickness [noun] after the things WHICH ARE [/exist in the present]?" That's different from the question you're conveying, which I believe misses the point.
Kroogz had it, where he explained:
I believe when one CONFLATES the "in quickness [noun]" of verse 1 with that of the "near/soon [adverb]" issue of the other verses containing this word, only then can one come to the [incorrect] conclusion that the "after these things" things, had to have happened in the first century (the events surrounding 70ad, i.e. "soon" or "imminently" from when written).
Kroogz had it, where he explained:
I believe when one CONFLATES the "in quickness [noun]" of verse 1 with that of the "near/soon [adverb]" issue of the other verses containing this word, only then can one come to the [incorrect] conclusion that the "after these things" things, had to have happened in the first century (the events surrounding 70ad, i.e. "soon" or "imminently" from when written).
Cameron thinks the book of Revelation was written in 60 A.D. or some other wild guess.
Aaaaand it was all wrapped up by 70 A.D.
Not much of an ultimate final prophecy and Gods fulfillment of all of His promises and not much of a termination point for the Holy Bible huh?
Low view of scripture? God defying blasphemous heresy?
The answer should be obvious to all.
What confuses me is why everyone is still playing pattycake and not calling it what it is.
Aaaaand it was all wrapped up by 70 A.D.
Not much of an ultimate final prophecy and Gods fulfillment of all of His promises and not much of a termination point for the Holy Bible huh?
Low view of scripture? God defying blasphemous heresy?
The answer should be obvious to all.
What confuses me is why everyone is still playing pattycake and not calling it what it is.
So the gospels weren't known until after the destruction of Israel. I wonder how the guys on the road to Emmaus knew what had happened. Oh yeah, they were there.
As far as the gospels go, there are a number of proposed dates. Many scholars believe them written before 70AD. And all the subject matter was dealing with things before 70AD. Even if they were written yesterday, they happened before the destruction of Jerusalem and were spoken to 1st century Jews. The audience would still be them.
As far as the gospels go, there are a number of proposed dates. Many scholars believe them written before 70AD. And all the subject matter was dealing with things before 70AD. Even if they were written yesterday, they happened before the destruction of Jerusalem and were spoken to 1st century Jews. The audience would still be them.
Thanks again.
I need to inform the vast audience that @TheDivineWatermark has informed Cameron of this very thing dozens and dozens and dozens of times now. Among many many other truths that are beyond refutation.
And Cameron has ignored it all and denied it all dozens and dozens of times now.
So be not deceived......this is not some kind of objective debate on the truth of God's word.
It is something far more insidious and sinister.
I need to inform the vast audience that @TheDivineWatermark has informed Cameron of this very thing dozens and dozens and dozens of times now. Among many many other truths that are beyond refutation.
And Cameron has ignored it all and denied it all dozens and dozens of times now.
So be not deceived......this is not some kind of objective debate on the truth of God's word.
It is something far more insidious and sinister.