The Error of KJV-Onlyism
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I searched the first 7 or so pages and the last several pages of this thread for "Jerome"(man who translated the LV in 400ad) to see if anyone had even mentioned him but at 95 pages I stopped,, has anyone mentioned him that I missed?
P.S. good luck on finding a Bible translation that used LXX you can purchase the translation of LXX and read it but all the translations(KJV,Tyndale,ESV ect.) used the LV as it's source...
A grand claim? If I change the words of scripture to explain a concept? Surely you can see the change of words to explain wouldn't be scripture. If I say, "It's like....." then what I just stated wouldn't be scripture.
If you don't believe that, then the words of God are meaningless and can be changed to whoever's liking. I guess that's where we are at anyway.
The video about Frank Logsdon involving the NASV is from the documentary called, Bridge to Babylon (if my memory serves me correctly). It is directed by Chris Pinto. It’s available on DVD. But here is the full documentary on YouTube.
It’s a decent documentary. The director quotes Westcott and Hort involving their statements involving Catholicism. I am still under investigation of these quotes put forth by Westcott and Hort involving their statements on Catholicism. I believe their statements on Catholicism appear to be taken out of context because of the original book put forth by Wilkerson (A Seventh Day Adventist). While I do not agree with most of the statements made at WestcottHort.com (Because they are against the KJB), they do show the quotes in context, and it does appear like these quotes involving Catholicism may be taken out of context. In other words, I believe our side can sometimes make mistakes or misrepresent the facts at times (unfortunately). Granted, all other incriminating quotes by Westcott and Hort appear to be true as per my current investigation (Which is not complete). Another thing I would caution concerning Pinto is that he has another documentary on America and how our nation was not founded on Christianity. Pinto's claims in that documentary on America have been refuted by Bill Fortenberry in his book called, "Hidden Facts of the Founding Era." (Available at Amazon here). So Pinto is not an unbiased researcher of the facts. He does not check the sources for himself and or appear to see the other side of the story. In regards to source quoting: We can all be a little guilty of this at times because we live busy lives.
But I would still watch the video by Pinto. It is still informative.
Side Note:
The written part about the other two Bible translators is from my own research from various Christian articles.
I began to watch it and I realized that I started to watch this video a long time ago, and it seemed a little odd to me, and so I shut it off. One presuming about what will happen in the future is a big gamble in my view. While I do have my view on Eschatology, I do see it as one possible future and not as written in stone or anything. So when folks start to make predictions of the future involving a new world order and they try to tie it in with Modern Bibles, we just do not know if that will be the case or how exactly that will play out if that does happen. My focus as a Christian is glorifying God’s grace (the gospel), preaching His Word, and living holy by God’s power every day possible. I may check the video out some other day (when I have more time), but I just do not like it when folks make future predictions. The mention of a new world order and tying that into Modern Bibles somehow is an assumption. Granted, the idea seems possible but we don’t really know. I imagine that Modern Bibles may play a part in some small way in folks not trusting God’s Word and this can lead them into the arms of the world system. But again, we don’t know for sure. Granted, Ecumenism is on the rise, and this may be a part of what Modern Bibles are pushing. But again, maybe the new world order will just kill anyone who even says they are Christian. We don’t know really what the future holds except for the written events in Revelation and the Olivet Discourse.
The problem is that Jesus referred to the Scriptures in Hebrew and not Greek referring to jots and tittles (Which are marks that make up Hebrew). The LXX’s legitimacy is based on one letter. That really is not comforting to know. There is a work written by even a Textual Critic who believes the LXX is false. There is also not one LXX, either. So which one? So this is not some KJB-only guy trying to throw any evidence they can against your side here.
Check out this article here.
While I disagree with the WestcottHort.com website in general (because they are against the KJB and for Textual Criticism), this article here on Westcott and Hort’s statements involving Mary appears to show how their quotes involving Catholicism are taken out of context by our own fellow KJB brethren. In other words, my fellow KJB believers are misquoting them and they do not realize they are misquoting them.
See here:
http://www.westcotthort.com/quotes_mary.html
Again, Westcott and Hort are still heretics. They were liberals and denied other key Christian doctrines.
Why would Hebrew apostles -- under divine inspiration -- turn to a corrupt Greek translation for quotes from the OT?
While there is in some cases an apparent resemblance to what is in the NT, that may only be because some verses could only be translated in that way. But when Christ spoke of "the Scriptures" He was speaking about the Hebrew Tanakh. And He also taught His apostles out of that Tanakh between His resurrection and His ascension. The corrupt nature of the LXX has been well-established. The very fact that the non-inspired apocryphal books are found in the LXX should be enough to reject it.
There are only 24 books in the Hebrew Tanakh: Torah or The Law of Moses (5 books), Neviim or The Prophets (8 books) and Ketuvim or the Psalms or Writings (11 books). They are all equivalent to the 39 books found in Protestant bibles.
A better question might be, why did the Apostles write much of the NT in Koine? What is your reasoning in calling the LXX corrupt?
If you get around to watching it, You'll understand the context. I don't remember those interviewed really getting into escatology. The same came out with a separate documentary on that subject.
NWO BVs is well documented and has a section on KJV history which I find interesting.
Thank you for the other documentary.
I will try to listen to it in the next couple of days.
Here is a decent link for info on the LXX. I think I may have put the cart before the horse in my previous assertions. I am taking some time to dig deeper into this issue.
https://kalvesmaki.com/LXX/index.htm
I am not into wild conspiracy theories much. I read some reviews of it on Amazon, and I may check it out sometime, but the start of the video makes it appear like they are making a connection to some new future new world order and Modern Bibles. That is the impression I get from the initial part of the video, which rubs me the wrong way. If there was a new world order, and it was exposed, how did the video get made? Most likely they would have been taken out by the current new world order if there was sensitive information that exposes them. Steve Anderson is the writer behind this documentary. This is concerning because Anderson believes the holocaust was a hoax (Which it clearly was not). There is video footage of the holocaust and plenty of evidence. So while I do strive to love everyone in Christ, I also realize that we should let others know about the truth of what others say that is not correct. Meaning, folks like Peter Ruckman, Gail Riplinger, and Steve Anderson do not give KJV-only a good name (in my humble opinion). While I am sure they may have some good things to contribute on the topic, they also make us look bad. I would prefer looking to other KJB bible believing sources. David Cloud (Wayoflife.org) and Nick Sayers (TextusReceptusBibles.com & Textus-Receptus.com) offer some really great information in defense of the King James Bible. Will Kinney (Brandplucked.com) offers some great articles in defense of the KJV, as well.
The NWO was a term used by communist and fascist globalists even before WW2.
It continued to be used at a greater rate by presidents like bush. He over used it to the point it creeped a lot of uninformed people out and became a common renouncement by detractors in his party. In short, it's used more today than ever in history. Instead of using the NWO which has a negative connotation, it has been renamed as "The Great Reset.". Ever hear that used by a globalist before? Anyhow, the NIV used the term World Order which appears to be a springboard for the title. I don't have time to describe what takes a few minutes of watching the video. I don't even know who or why the production decided on the title.
Don't watch it because it doesn't matter to me. Just trying to be a blessing here.
I was not involved. I'm also no apologist for Pastor Anderson, Mrs Gail Ripplinger or Peter Ruckman. I have issues with the Ruckmanites, but Anderson is the most demonized and attacked American preacher in my lifetime. I have spoken about our disagreements, but unlike his detractors he is my brother in Christ. I will defend a brother when slandered by the kind of evil that has been at it since they bashed his face into jagged glass, electrocuted him without mercy, slandered, defamed him and every family member, disrupted his churches services with nudity, threatened their children with unspeakable diabolical, harm, threatening them with gang torture , rape, making charges for goods and services in their names, deplatformed him, stole, debanked, had death metal music blaring during services, lewd displays and statements at the children, infiltrated the church and on and on. I don't agree with him on everything any more than I agree with you. However, I am not the least but ashamed to stand with my brother against the wicked sons of Belial and corrupt news media.
I think the video should have opened with pastors talking about this very thing. It would have been better.
Sorry, I am a movie critic because I was involved in independent filmmaking a little. Anyway, you have my interest (although I will investigate such things further to verify).
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It must be in a previous NIV edition. The NIV at BlueletterBible does not contain the words with a basic search.
But you have piqued my curiosity.
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I will check it out.
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If what you say is true of what took place with Anderson, then you have my sympathies. But I do not see David Cloud as misrepresenting the facts about others intentionally. His write-up on Anderson gives me great concern about what Anderson believes.
https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/downloads/What_About_Steven_Anderson__p.php
If you believe something is not correct in the article by David Cloud, let me know.
Anderson did a YouTube video on denying the Holocaust and so that to me is a huge misrepresentation of the facts in history.
Side Note:
Being persecuted does not always mean someone may have correct theology or views.
I think I understand your reluctance to acknowledge an accurate modern copy of the LXX. However, there seems that there did exist during the time of Jesus a Greek translation of at least the first five books. Several early church figures speak of it in detail.
The reasoning goes that if the accepted current Hebrew uses slightly different phrasing than the Greek behind the KJV, then certainly that might point to a nuanced difference attributable to a Koine mss contemporary to the Hebrew text of that era.
By no means does that mean the LXX is legitimate. The Scriptures were being corrupted even in Paul’s time (2 Corinthians 2:17). Again, if I were to believe in a pre-Christian LXX, there would have to be significant evidence of this in the New Testament writings, but there isn’t any. To go by Science is to not build the proper foundation here.
Update:
I have been re-reading several times the quotes in the article on Mary worship from Westcott and Hort again.
You have to read it several times and really take in all their words on the matter. I am getting the impression that they are not really against the worship of Mary and yet they use words like “Mariolatry“ to make it sound like they could be against it. The words they use are veiled and or tend to be misleading at times. They seem to be ecumenical. It says that he could have knelt in that place where it had the piety for hours. Whether called the statue impressive. Why would one kneel in this place if it was used for the worship of Mary? It doesn’t seem to add up. Also, no Christian would ever say that there is a common connection between Jesus worship and Mary worship. The context does not really help to erase that statement after I have looked at it several times. The author’s comment is taking a liberal stance on the matter. So I think I disagree with the author at WestcottHort.com now. I will continue to keep reading the comments and look at the letters of Westcott and Hort to learn more. But Wilkerson should not have connected quotes from two different letters in his book.
I have been re-reading several times the quotes in the article on Mary worship from Westcott and Hort again.
You have to read it several times and really take in all their words on the matter. I am getting the impression that they are not really against the worship of Mary and yet they use words like “Mariolatry“ to make it sound like they could be against it. The words they use are veiled and or tend to be misleading at times. They seem to be ecumenical. It says that he could have knelt in that place where it had the piety for hours. Whether called the statue impressive. Why would one kneel in this place if it was used for the worship of Mary? It doesn’t seem to add up. Also, no Christian would ever say that there is a common connection between Jesus worship and Mary worship. The context does not really help to erase that statement after I have looked at it several times. The author’s comment is taking a liberal stance on the matter. So I think I disagree with the author at WestcottHort.com now. I will continue to keep reading the comments and look at the letters of Westcott and Hort to learn more. But Wilkerson should not have connected quotes from two different letters in his book.
You didn't mention the part I said about "Jerome" who translated the Scriptures into Latin(Latin Vulgate) but here is something he stated about the source used in this instance for Matthew (see 3. Matthew in text)... https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2708.htm