the Sabbath

[dlj57]

Genesis only says that God blessed the seventh day. It says nothing whatsoever about the ten commandments. Deuteronomy comes about 40 years after Exodus, so that would be an anachronistic argument.

Scripture doesn't tell us what Moses' practices were prior to Sinai, and speculation has no evidentiary value.

You're making a circumstantial argument rather than a fact-based argument. I'm beginning to think you're flailing because you realize your position is bereft of relevant biblical support.

"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." (Genesis 26:5)
well let's see, (1) Abraham obeyed his voice, God actually spoke to Abraham. (2) He walked with God, Keeping charge stresses that we must assume full responsibility for the lives that God has granted us and live them in a way that honors him. (3) can't be much plainer than this, Abraham obeyed Gods Commandments, that is the Ten Commandments he is referring too. (4) My statutes are referring to Gods written law, on your hearts and minds. (5) Gods Laws - When we obey God’s instructions, we are keeping the commandments and we will be saved. Religiously, a law is any instruction from God — that is, a law is a commandment or a set of commandments, as in the Ten Commandments.

I am very grounded in my faith and believes and I give nothing but biblical support / scripture to back up my point of view and what I believe. you don't have to agree with it and I'm not asking you too.

Blessings, Danny

 

[Magenta]

"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." (Genesis 26:5)
well let's see, (1) Abraham obeyed his voice, God actually spoke to Abraham. (2) He walked with God, Keeping charge stresses that we must assume full responsibility for the lives that God has granted us and live them in a way that honors him. (3) can't be much plainer than this, Abraham obeyed Gods Commandments, that is the Ten Commandments he is referring too. (4) My statutes are referring to Gods written law, on your hearts and minds. (5) Gods Laws - When we obey God’s instructions, we are keeping the commandments and we will be saved. Religiously, a law is any instruction from God — that is, a law is a commandment or a set of commandments, as in the Ten Commandments.

I am very grounded in my faith and believes and I give nothing but biblical support / scripture to back up my point of view

Actually what you do is assign the weight of Scripture to unfounded assumptions you make.

 

[dlj57]

I find it somewhat peculiar that these people who come here pushing the law are often so quick to break it, themselves...

I find it somewhat peculiar that the Sabbath breakers keep trying to push their agenda. So, we know if they don't hold the sabbath holly, they are breaking the Law. There are two sides to every coin, someone sites scripture supporting their idea, and someone post theirs rebutting it. Who is to say who is right or wrong, is that what it is really all about.

Blessings, Danny

 

[dlj57]

Actually what you do is assign the weight of Scripture to unfounded assumptions you make.[/QUOTE

Isn't that what everyone on here is doing including yourself. You post something and I can make the same assumption that you are twisting scripture to fit whatever you are saying. It's just a matter of opinion. What makes your point valid over mine we both can quote scripture.

Blessings, Danny

 

[Aaron56]

I find it somewhat peculiar that these people who come here pushing the law are often so quick to break it, themselves...

It’s ironic that many law-lovers are some of the most lawless people.

 

[Dino246]

There you go with your commentary again without giving any scripture of your own.
This is the last answer you get from me without you responding with scripture of your own, like my answer or not.
Exodus 20:8-11: “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore, the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.”

Why do you think it necessary for me to provide Scripture to challenge your assertion? That's ridiculous. If you choose not to respond further, that's fine; you haven't responded adequately yet so no change there.

 

[Magenta]

Isn't that what everyone on here is doing including yourself.

No.

You post something and I can make the same assumption that you are twisting scripture to fit whatever you
are saying. It's just a matter of opinion. What makes your point valid over mine we both can quote scripture.

Blessings, Danny

You cannot show with Scripture that the law Abraham followed was the ten commandments.

You assume it is and claim it is when Scripture does not say. So assume all you like and falsely accuse me
because that is what you do; I dare say nobody here is going to get you to change your law-breaking ways.

 

[gb9]

It’s ironic that many law-lovers are some of the most lawless people.

yes, kind of like putting burdens on others and not lifting a finger to move them..

 

[dlj57]

No.


You cannot show with Scripture that the law Abraham followed was the ten commandments.

You assume it is and claim it is when Scripture does not say. So assume all you like and falsely accuse me
because that is what you do; I dare say nobody here is going to get you to change your law-breaking ways.

Who are you to judge, you are the one making accusations, as I see it you are breaking Gods Sabbath Commandment.
You show me Scripture where God had two sets of Commandments and Laws. That is a ridiculous argument.
So, what do you say about the Sabbath being established at creation when God said He rested on the 7th day, that is the sabbath he is talking about and set it apart and blessed it, sanctified it and hallowed it. Is that not one of the Ten Commandments He was talking about?
Q: why are the Ten Commandments all throughout the NT?
Q: why is the Sabbath mentioned and observed 60 times in the NT?

Go to BibleTools.org and look up the Sabbath
Blessings, danny

 

[dlj57]

It’s ironic that many law-lovers are some of the most lawless people.

It's also ironic that a lot of non-Law-abiding Christians want to pass judgement on the ones that want to keep Gods Commandments.

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his Commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:4)
" And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:9)

 

[gb9]

It's also ironic that a lot of non-Law-abiding Christians want to pass judgement on the ones that want to keep Gods Commandments.

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his Commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in him" (1 John 2:4)
" And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:9)

and the Lord Jesus said this to jewish men, born under the Law, born to the Mosiac Covenant with the children of Israel. not gentiles.

 

[TMS]

We all need to be convinced in our own minds.

But there is one truth. One road, one way to follow Jesus.

The question is....
Should we remember the sabbath or not remember the sabbath.

Some say yes... keep it holy the way God said.
Some say yes... keep it holy the way man said.
Some say no... it doesn't matter..

I can't see any place were God said to stop keeping it holy and the moral law in the new Testament is promoted by all.

 

[TMS]

The 10 commandments are a set of laws.
The fact that many of those laws are taught to be kept, they should all be kept. James 2:10-12
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Why do you say we should forget the sabbath law.
There is no Jew or Gentile, We are all one in Jesus. The Sabbath was made holy before sin entered. And no where does it say it is the Jewish sabbath. That is a label that people gave it so they could ignore it. The seventh day was given to all of us.

 

[TMS]

and the Lord Jesus said this to jewish men, born under the Law, born to the Mosiac Covenant with the children of Israel. not gentiles.

Please read the quote bellow.
Being a Jew or Gentile is not about the blood line but about the heart.
Rom 2:17-29
17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, 18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; 19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, 20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. 21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? 22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? 23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? 24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. 25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

As a part of the family of Jesus, the same rules apply for all.
Rom 11:16-18
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

We are part of the root which very much kept the Sabbath holy.

 

[TMS]

Q: why are the Ten Commandments all throughout the NT?
Q: why is the Sabbath mentioned and observed 60 times in the NT?

I believe the 10 commandments are unchanging and we shouldn't see them as a burden, but a delight because if everyone obeyed them it would be a great world. They are all through the NT because they are God's moral law to help us understand what sin is.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The reason the Sabbath is mentioned throughout the NT is because it is part of the moral Law of God. Because God never said forget it.

 

[TMS]

It's also ironic that a lot of non-Law-abiding Christians want to pass judgement on the ones that want to keep Gods Commandments.

Just wondering... do you believe the "law of commandments contained in ordinances" are the same as the 10 commandments?

 

[Inquisitor]

God didn't change the Sabbath man did. (1) It started with the Protestant Reformation when the Gentils wanted to distance themselves from the Jews because they were being persecuted by the Romans. So, they started meeting on the first day of the week (Sunday) (2) Then the king/ emperor Constine and his belief in Sun worship. He actually made the first law for Sunday worship and condemned Sabbath keeping. (3) The Roman Catholic Church has formed and even takes credit for our Sunday Sabbath keeping in what it is today. They even state that there is no bases for Sunday observance except by their own authority.
The word refers to the Holy Scriptures AKA the Bible, and my primes is that the Ten Commandments have been with us from creation and have not been done away with and will be with us on the New Earth "... and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship me, saith the Lord." (Isaiah 66:23)
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. The same was in the beginning with God." (John 1:1-2)
The Ten Commandments were with us at Creation, "Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and MY laws." (Genesis 26:5)
God established the 4th Commandment on the 7th day of creation. "Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy..." (Exodus 20:2-17 & Deut 5:6-21) and there are more.
The Sabbath is mentioned 58 times in the NT.
The Disciples kept the Sabbath 85 times just in the book of Acts alone.

You talking the way you do, you need to pray for a little humility. I make no accusations. I just post what I believe to be evident and true. Take from it what you will. I know that not everyone believes the same, but at the same time I believe there are a lot of people being led astray. There are many scriptures about false teachings (2 Timothy 4:3-4)
"And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men. (Matt 15:9)
"he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:3-4)

Love you, you are in my prayers, God speed Danny

PS look up the Sabbath and the Ten commandments at BibleTools.org

There is zero historical evidence that Constantine made a law for Sunday worship. A day off on Sunday, yes.

There is also zero historical evidence that Constantine condemned Sabbath keeping.

You are not allowed to make statements claiming something without quoting the sources your using.

 

[Inquisitor]

I believe the 10 commandments are unchanging and we shouldn't see them as a burden, but a delight because if everyone obeyed them it would be a great world. They are all through the NT because they are God's moral law to help us understand what sin is.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The reason the Sabbath is mentioned throughout the NT is because it is part of the moral Law of God. Because God never said forget it.

Jesus fulfilled the law.

 

[IloveViethoney]

Most people don't even know when the Sabbath is. Jews believe a new day starts when the sun goes down, so the Sabbath starts at sun down on Friday. The Sabbath requires you to not work, and it mentions starting or extinguishing a fire as being work. Ultimately, it's not clear enough on what constitutes work and what doesn't. So the Jews devised a system of rabbinic leadership where a rabbinic authority was given the power to decide what constitutes work and what doesn't (hopefully they have a connection with God). Right now orthodox Jews in Israel and possibly areas of New York have elevators on auto on the Sabbath day, because pressing an elevator button is work.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I'm going to work today, need the money.