TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

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Cameron143 said:
There was always a spiritual lineage in the natural lineage. This was always the seed of Abraham and heirs to the promise.
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“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-2, 4‬ ‭

“By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:12-17‬ ‭

i would say also that because Jesus has always been there life has always been there for those who knew him and were faithful like Abraham Isaac and Jacob what I mean is

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:56‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the ot is like a veil that hides him but he was always there like with Enoch

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
“And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:28-29‬ ‭

“Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: and think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3:8-10‬ ‭

just making the point all the faithful are one group and all the unfaithful and wicked are one group

There we’re a lot of faithful Hebrews and Israelites later in the ot including Abraham the original man of faith
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you know I did a study once of ‭‭Mathew 8 . I'm sure it said and the subjects where thrown out into outer darkness ?
 
Cameron143 said:
I'm waiting for you to go through Romans with me and show me how Paul built upon his arguments to come to the place he did in Romans 11 and what the verses mean in context.
In the meantime, the house of David is spiritual Israel. There is no value in the kingdom of God in any human heritage...there is neither Jew or Greek. There are only those in Christ and those who aren't. Those in Christ are a new creation. Why would God put up again the partition He tore down in the first place?
What was God's purpose in forming the Jewish nation in the first place?
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he's put his Mr meany pants on again bro.

You'll have to wait a while 😋
 
douggg said:
Cameron, "spiritual Israel" is not a biblical term.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=spiritual+Israel&bsec=&order=0&s=1
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By now it should be abundantly clear that Cameron's fantasies have nothing to do with Biblical reality.

And the vast compendium of the biblical writings extant pertaining to prophecy simply doesn't register either when you are living in your own fantasy world.

Somebody tell him "it's all good" and "and except those days should be shortened there should no flesh be saved" have nothing whatsoever in common.
 
cv5 said:
By now it should be abundantly clear that Cameron's fantasies have nothing to do with Biblical reality.

And the vast compendium of the biblical writings extant pertaining to prophecy simply doesn't register either when you are living in your own fantasy world.

Somebody tell him "it's all good" and "and except those days should be shortened there should no flesh be saved" have nothing whatsoever in common.
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I disagree with you

You can't lean on your own understanding when it comes to prophecy. Which your doing in abundance

So you too are living in fantasie.


You won't accept the great tribulation started after christ

Neither will you accept other important views I've mentioned, which are supported by many

And you see Cameron's importance as worthless too
We have both raised important questions that you just toss of as fit for the luny bin.
 
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Do you respect this because it means prophecy is open to interpretation

Where as you are ridiculing people with it

So you ain't seeking Jesus for prophecy brother
 
Cameron143 said:
I'm waiting for you to go through Romans with me and show me how Paul built upon his arguments to come to the place he did in Romans 11 and what the verses mean in context.
In the meantime, the house of David is spiritual Israel. There is no value in the kingdom of God in any human heritage...there is neither Jew or Greek. There are only those in Christ and those who aren't. Those in Christ are a new creation. Why would God put up again the partition He tore down in the first place?
What was God's purpose in forming the Jewish nation in the first place?
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The term Israel is used precisely 12 times the book of Romans. And every single time without exception it is speaking to the Sons of Jacob the nation Israel......
"Pauls kinsmen according to the flesh".

Stumbling out of the gate is your forte and calling card.
 
cv5 said:
You had better pray that you don't end up in the very tribulation that you deny and mock.
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Aint mocking nothing,

The battle for ground starter after the cross.

The cross Judges all.

Jesus won the keys to keys to both death and life.

Before that day satan held the power of death

Jesus took it off him.

So all satan can do is accuse Gods children.


He's been killing God children like never before since the cross

And are Governments are ruling this world with Zionism.

Tribulation started at the cross it's called the battle of souls and ground

It's called Ephesians 6

Spiritual warfare
 
Cameron143 said:
I'm waiting for you to go through Romans with me and show me how Paul built upon his arguments to come to the place he did in Romans 11 and what the verses mean in context.
In the meantime, the house of David is spiritual Israel. There is no value in the kingdom of God in any human heritage...there is neither Jew or Greek. There are only those in Christ and those who aren't. Those in Christ are a new creation. Why would God put up again the partition He tore down in the first place?
What was God's purpose in forming the Jewish nation in the first place?
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BTW, if you so choose to make even more a fool of yourself attempting exegeting Romans, you go right ahead.

I am sure that we can all expect more zany rip roaring zingers like this:
"In the meantime, the house of David is spiritual Israel ". o_O:censored:
 
Thunderrr-mental said:
Your just not willing to discuss them without getting personal
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Are you kidding me? You have ZERO understanding of what the term "UNTIL" means.
Evidently nor does @Cameron143

How in the world can you "discuss" weightier matters if you failed to understand the implications of a single word?
 
cv5 said:
Are you kidding me? You have ZERO understanding of what the term "UNTIL" means.
Evidently nor does @Cameron143

How in the world can you "discuss" weightier matters if you failed to understand the implications of a single word?
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your accusing Gods children like satan

Calling Gods children fools

Your sin is worthy of hell.
 
Thunderrr-mental said:
your accusing Gods children like satan

Calling Gods children fools

Your sin is worthy of hell.
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There are plenty of Satan's children parading around as Christians nowadays. I have met many and knew EXACTLY what I was dealing with, sometimes within mere moments.

Furthermore, at Jesus' first coming.....heretics, clueless wanna-be's, self-proclaimed sages that were idiots abounded. The works.
Not to mention the spies, murderers and thieves.

Get a grip on reality bub.
 
cv5 said:
There are plenty of Satan's children parading around as Christians nowadays. I have met many and knew EXACTLY what I was dealing with, sometimes within mere moments.

Furthermore, at Jesus' first coming.....heretics, clueless wanna-be's, self-proclaimed sages that were idiots abounded. The works.
Not to mention the spies, murderers and thieves.

Get a grip on reality bub.
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oh I have no problem with Judgment,

I know the bible inside out, all it's Judgments
The Judgments are his. There sealed at the cross
And every person must face them.


I know a brother when I hear one and I know innocence when I hear it.
I also know genuine truth if what people share when they believe something

I was thinking you don't mean the things you say really

But no you mean it alright,

You don't accuse Gods children
You don't call Gods children fools
You don't use prophecy to ridicule with.

And you don't get people to join in.

So no why do you judge your brother.
 
Cameron143 said:
Luke 17:21...the kingdom of God is within you...
Who can deny this verse?
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No one. But this is being denied....The literal Kingdom. And the disciples will help with the judgement of Israel.
Luke 22:29–30
29 and just as My Father has granted Me a kingdom, I grant you
30 that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
Spiritual Isreal exists.
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Not in the bible as a bible term. It is a diversion.

Work on your eschatology. Work on making a timeline of end times events.

The 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9 is a good place to start. In Daniel 9:27, there has to be a temple built in order for the daily sacrifice to start again - and then be stopped in the middle part of the 7 years.

The 7 years. The start. The middle. Then end.

What starts the 7 years.
What ends the 7 years.
 
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