TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

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cv5 said:
Evidently you have been tossed into the psychiatric meat grinder a number of times?

You have my condolences. But try and escape their clutches if at all possible.
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not at all buddy I'm just showing how the word I, can lead to becoming the ultimate dreamer.

Or a Buddhist like Alan Watts 😂
 
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Cameron143 said:
I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying. I merely gave a couple of possibilities. The Bible doesn't actually say what His motivation was; only that the current practices weren't correct.
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I don't mind in the slightest if you disagree.

Honestly truly disagreement has now become a distant memory to me 😂
 
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Cameron143 said:
And another question you won't answer: how could the kingdom of God be taken from Israel if it wasn't already here?
You complain about lack of scholarship, but the better complaint would be over the lack of critical thinking.
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It is not talking about the physical location of Israel. It is talking about the general overall populace at influenced by their religious leaders, who were rejecting what Jesus was teaching, as missing out on receiving it.
 
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It is not talking about the physical location of Israel. It is talking about the general overall populace at influenced by their religious leaders, who were rejecting what Jesus was teaching, as missing out on receiving it.
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I agree. The kingdom of God has always been a spiritual kingdom. It is evident wherever God rules. It has never had geographic borders. But that wasn't my point. In order for God to establish His kingdom in the church, He says He takes it from Israel. The kingdom itself was already in the world.
 
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so you see the parable to be about Old Testament isreals rejection of the messiah and the messiah therefore sending the gospel of the kingdom to all people beginning at Jerusalem ?

Are you this type of thing beginning to come to pass ?

“I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.

I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels; which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day. Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed: behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:1-9, 11-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your seeing Israel’s repeated rejection of the ot prophets and then The messiah resulting in the gospel being opened up to all people now until the end ?

Also another inquiry what about the remnant of Israel that accepted Jesus and received the promise of the spirit you aren’t saying they are excluded right ?
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The Jews will be in exile until last days plain and simple.

That's God authority,

God's rules

God will not hear there prayers until the last days.

his order his decision his authority.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
The Jews will be in exile until last days plain and simple.

That's God authority,

God's rules

God will not hear there prayers until the last days.

his order his decision his authority.
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Yes again your opinion on that matter is appreciated
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
Yes again your opinion on that matter is appreciated
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The Jews will never say blessed is he who comes in the name of the lord until the last days

And again just like the last post I spoke on the authority of the lord
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
The Jews will never say blessed is he who comes in the name of the lord until the last days

And again just like the last post I spoke on the authority of the lord
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yeah it’s not really possible for me , to discuss the Bible with someone who believes they have the authority of the lord regardless of what’s said friend ….you would always be right about anything you said even if you were wrong because “ authority of the lord and all “

i was just trying to understand what it is you think about some of those scriptures , but it seems like each time I inquire you just tell me what you think without any scripture saying anything and say you speak On the authority of the lord

This is a circle I’ve seen before a time or two I was inquiring about some scripture to try to see what the details of what you’re saying are is all …. I’m not interested in your chosen and sent status or authority you have was just wondering your thoughts on some scripture
 
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Cameron143 said:
I agree. The kingdom of God has always been a spiritual kingdom. It is evident wherever God rules. It has never had geographic borders. But that wasn't my point. In order for God to establish His kingdom in the church, He says He takes it from Israel. The kingdom itself was already in the world.
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hey you don't think God has abolished the temple because of this do you


1 Kings 11:3

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3 king Solomon had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray.


700 wow I mean you have to wonder was this the correct temple of the lord 🤔
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
yeah it’s not really possible for me , to discuss the Bible with someone who believes they have the authority of the lord regardless of what’s said friend ….you would always be right about anything you said even if you were wrong because “ authority of the lord and all “

i was just trying to understand what it is you think about some of those scriptures , but it seems like each time I inquire you just tell me what you think without any scripture saying anything and say you speak On the authority of the lord

This is a circle I’ve seen before a time or two I was inquiring about some scripture to try to see what the details of what you’re saying are is all …. I’m not interested in your chosen and sent status or authority you have was just wondering your thoughts on some scripture
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Yeah sure theres plenty of time for the lord to do is work. 😊
 
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Cameron143 said:
In order for God to establish His kingdom in the church, He says He takes it from Israel.
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UNTIL the Church is raptured.
UNTIL the fullness of the gentiles be come in.
UNTIL the time of restoration of the ministry of Israel to the world that the prophets spoke of

Question: who in their right mind would dare to deny these many passages and defy the Word of the Living God?
Answer: Nobody. The only people who do are not in their right mind.

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Act 3:21
“whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

Luk 21:24
“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Luk 22:16
“for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

Mar 14:25
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Eze 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28
And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isa 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Eze 20:33
As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
Eze 20:34
And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

Isa 27:12
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.
Isa 27:13
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
hey you don't think God has abolished the temple because of this do you


1 Kings 11:3

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3 king Solomon had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray.


700 wow I mean you have to wonder was this the correct temple of the lord 🤔
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I think the temple was always going to be in believers. I believe the destruction of the temple was part of the judgment poured out on Israel for failing to keep the terms of the old covenant.
What you listed is a part of that because the effect was cumulative. The generation of Jesus day finished filling up the cup of wrath.
 
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cv5 said:
UNTIL the Church is raptured.
UNTIL the fullness of the gentiles be come in.
UNTIL the time of restoration of the ministry of Israel to the world that the prophets spoke of

Question: who in their right mind would dare to deny these many passages and defy the Word of the Living God?
Answer: Nobody. The only people who do are not in their right mind.

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Act 3:21
“whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

Luk 21:24
“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Luk 22:16
“for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

Mar 14:25
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Eze 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28
And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isa 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Eze 20:33
As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
Eze 20:34
And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

Isa 27:12
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.
Isa 27:13
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.
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Luke 17:21...the kingdom of God is within you...
Who can deny this verse?
 
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cv5 said:
UNTIL the Church is raptured.
UNTIL the fullness of the gentiles be come in.
UNTIL the time of restoration of the ministry of Israel to the world that the prophets spoke of

Question: who in their right mind would dare to deny these many passages and defy the Word of the Living God?
Answer: Nobody. The only people who do are not in their right mind.

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Act 3:21
“whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

Luk 21:24
“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Luk 22:16
“for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

Mar 14:25
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Eze 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze 36:28
And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Isa 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Eze 20:33
As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
Eze 20:34
And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

Isa 27:12
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.
Isa 27:13
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.
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The significance can only be understated......never overstated.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Luk 21:24
“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Luke 17:21...the kingdom of God is within you...
Who can deny this verse?
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Your "It's all good" meme won't cut it when 70lb hailstones are falling on your cranium and demon armies are surging across the shire.

Given those inevitable circumstances, I suspect those who were foolish enough to believe that meme you are propagating will live to regret it.
 
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cv5 said:
Your "It's all good" meme won't cut it when 70lb hailstones are falling on your cranium and demon armies are surging across the shire.

Given those inevitable circumstances, I suspect those who were foolish enough to believe that meme you are propagating will live to regret it.
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this is where my disagreement is.

Christians are already being severely demonically attacked

The way you word this here sounds like demons will rise in flesh or something.

When there is only more logic to the battle being spiritual warfare Ephesians 6 clarifies that.

But that's also happening now.

There plenty of scripture to where judgment is brought but God's children are not harmed like the passover etc and more.

Or Sodom when lot was led away in safety
 
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