TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!
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The temple here on earth is patterned after the real in heaven.
In Revelation 15:6
6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
In Revelation 11:19
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
In Revelation 15:6
6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
In Revelation 11:19
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
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Notice how Peter here ^ does not use the definite article ('the') when referring to us as "temple"... he says instead, "an holy temple" ( or just 'holy temple' with no definite article 'the')-- https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eph/2/21/p0/t_concif_1099021 ; and neither does Paul, when speaking about us as "temple".
Also, in Rev11:1,2, where it speaks of "the temple of God" (with definite article, 'the'), the passage clearly distinguishes "the temple of God" to that of "and THEM that worship THEREIN"--same "the temple of God" that 2Th2:4b speaks to; and which is connected back to that of Dan12:11 "abomination [singular] of desolation [singular] SET UP [H5414]" and there supplying a specific number of "days"...
...which passage Jesus Himself referred back to, in His words of Matt24:15(,21) ("STANDING in the holy place");
notice the connection also between the description of the man of sin in 2Th2:4a[,9.10a] to that found in Dan11:36-37's wilfull king "and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods [same as "mouth" in both Dan7:8,11,20-22 and Rev13:5-7!]... for he shall magnify himself above all" in/during a time-period that ENDS with Daniel being bodily resurrected ('to stand again'--on the earth: "[thou shalt...]...STAND IN THY LOT at the END of the days"... the days referred to in that context--which has NOT YET taken place).
Point being, neither Peter nor Paul use the definite article ('the') when speaking of US (the Church which is His body here on the earth) as "temple". Consider this.
Also, in Rev11:1,2, where it speaks of "the temple of God" (with definite article, 'the'), the passage clearly distinguishes "the temple of God" to that of "and THEM that worship THEREIN"--same "the temple of God" that 2Th2:4b speaks to; and which is connected back to that of Dan12:11 "abomination [singular] of desolation [singular] SET UP [H5414]" and there supplying a specific number of "days"...
...which passage Jesus Himself referred back to, in His words of Matt24:15(,21) ("STANDING in the holy place");
notice the connection also between the description of the man of sin in 2Th2:4a[,9.10a] to that found in Dan11:36-37's wilfull king "and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods [same as "mouth" in both Dan7:8,11,20-22 and Rev13:5-7!]... for he shall magnify himself above all" in/during a time-period that ENDS with Daniel being bodily resurrected ('to stand again'--on the earth: "[thou shalt...]...STAND IN THY LOT at the END of the days"... the days referred to in that context--which has NOT YET taken place).
Point being, neither Peter nor Paul use the definite article ('the') when speaking of US (the Church which is His body here on the earth) as "temple". Consider this.
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This article left out a key component of the unconditional physical aspect of this prophecy........the land deal for Israel. I wonder why they would leave this out of their article?
2 Sam 7
10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,
11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house.
Ezekiel 37:25–27
25 “They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever.
2 Sam 7
10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,
11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house.
Ezekiel 37:25–27
25 “They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever.
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and so the battle rages on.
Well this is one temple I will acknowledgement this one.
But will you acknowledge another lords temple.
This was a simple question I asked to @cv5
That you answered.
So far in this discussion we have had no acknowledgement to another type of the lords temple from other posters
So at this moment in time here on plannet earth which lords temple is here 🤔
Well this is one temple I will acknowledgement this one.
But will you acknowledge another lords temple.
This was a simple question I asked to @cv5
That you answered.
So far in this discussion we have had no acknowledgement to another type of the lords temple from other posters
So at this moment in time here on plannet earth which lords temple is here 🤔
This article left out a key component of the unconditional physical aspect of this prophecy........the land deal for Israel. I wonder why they would leave this out of their article?
2 Sam 7
10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,
11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house.
Ezekiel 37:25–27
25 “They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever.
2 Sam 7
10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime,
11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house.
Ezekiel 37:25–27
25 “They will live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant, in which your fathers lived; and they will live on it, they, and their sons and their sons’ sons, forever; and David My servant will be their prince forever.
So which lambs are being sacrificed
THE Temple. It's there alright. Over there. Same place as David built it. And they know where the foundation is located. Probably within 50 meters or so.
Yea, they are gonna build it man, no doubt whatsoever. Jesus says so. Very clearly. Time and time again.
https://christianchat.com/threads/temple-to-be-or-not-to-be-that-is-my-question.213667/post-5226217
Yea, they are gonna build it man, no doubt whatsoever. Jesus says so. Very clearly. Time and time again.
https://christianchat.com/threads/temple-to-be-or-not-to-be-that-is-my-question.213667/post-5226217
That being the one betwixt abysmal and willful ignorance and studious careful vigilant scholarship?
The one between a prophecy jettisoning post-modernist low view of Scripture and a serious solemn exalting view of Scripture?
Totally agree.
Not much of a battle really. As if God-honoring truth will not prevail.
The one between a prophecy jettisoning post-modernist low view of Scripture and a serious solemn exalting view of Scripture?
Totally agree.
Not much of a battle really. As if God-honoring truth will not prevail.
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Well Jesus said that ALL authority in Heaven and ON EARTH has been granted to Him, and for us to go and make disciples of ALL nations because of this, right before ascending to sit on His throne at the right hand of the Father. As far as I know He MUST reign until every enemy is put under His feet. How does He tell us the kingdom comes? In a fiery war as He's slaying foes left and right with His mouth sword from His white hoarse, bringing a kingdom we can point to and say "there it is"? Or is it more like a seed growing into a tree? I think it's kind of cheap when people jump to these verses and use them as a "I win automatically" card.
Does Gods law bend? Or is it ALWAYS like an iron rod that leaves men only 1 way to reconciliation? You say these thing in a mocking way yet nothing you believe about a "pre-trib rapture" isn't brought to the text. This is hard to understand when you've been told your whole life by the faithful men and women you trust that "this verse means this, and that verse means that", when that's what they were taught in Bible collage and there's not reason for you to doubt them, but if you take a step back with the text and read these verses in there context you'll see there is no way to pull from the text what this view teaches about them without HAVING to add a whole bunch that is not there.
I understand what you believe and why you believe it, I really do, I was taught the same things, but these very weak arguments are just trying to avoid diving deeper into the issues. Like this one I've heard 1,000 times, "Oh what, the stars are still there and the moon still gives light so...everything you say is invalid."
That's not honestly dealing with anything and avoiding actual thought and conversation. When you read the text EVERYTHING is pointing to a coming judgement coming SOON, happening to THEM.
AHHH, I could go on and on about this, but I'm sure you care very little about my opinion, but we all owe it to ourselves to try to seek truth and share it where we can, that includes listening to the others arguments honestly, because it's not always them that's in the wrong. I've found myself on the wrong side way more than I'd like to admit. So I hope you have a good day and pray we are both drawn closer to truth daily.
Does Gods law bend? Or is it ALWAYS like an iron rod that leaves men only 1 way to reconciliation? You say these thing in a mocking way yet nothing you believe about a "pre-trib rapture" isn't brought to the text. This is hard to understand when you've been told your whole life by the faithful men and women you trust that "this verse means this, and that verse means that", when that's what they were taught in Bible collage and there's not reason for you to doubt them, but if you take a step back with the text and read these verses in there context you'll see there is no way to pull from the text what this view teaches about them without HAVING to add a whole bunch that is not there.
I understand what you believe and why you believe it, I really do, I was taught the same things, but these very weak arguments are just trying to avoid diving deeper into the issues. Like this one I've heard 1,000 times, "Oh what, the stars are still there and the moon still gives light so...everything you say is invalid."
That's not honestly dealing with anything and avoiding actual thought and conversation. When you read the text EVERYTHING is pointing to a coming judgement coming SOON, happening to THEM.
AHHH, I could go on and on about this, but I'm sure you care very little about my opinion, but we all owe it to ourselves to try to seek truth and share it where we can, that includes listening to the others arguments honestly, because it's not always them that's in the wrong. I've found myself on the wrong side way more than I'd like to admit. So I hope you have a good day and pray we are both drawn closer to truth daily.