Who is the antichrist

[Thunderrr-mental]

John 4:3

New International Version



3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

Well quite clearly we see the anti Christ is a spirit here that came into the world,

But more importantly from where did it come. Well if it came into the world I'm pretty sure it's not of this world.


2 John 7

New International Version



7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist

Well quite clearly people are seen as the having the spirit of the antichrist to but quite clearly it puts people before the anti christ


1 John 2:18

New International Version



Warnings Against Denying the Son
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

Well here we see many spirits have come into the world



1 John 2:22

New International Version



22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son

Well here again we see billions of anti Christ in the world right now.

That means billions of spirits that have come into this world.


Question

Why have so many people got this idea the anti Christ is a man of flesh yet to be revealed who will sit a new temple performing animal sacrifice.


Next question why do so many claim we are not in a great tribulation. Baring in mind there is billions of anti Christ spirits in the world.

Next question why do so many claim the antichrist has not been revealed in Thessalonians 2.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

And the next question

why do people not recognise John saying we are in the last hour

And why is last hour not recognised as the great tribulation

 

[Plughole]

There is another similar thread to this one that's active which might be why there haven't been many replies to this one. I'll post here as that one was quite hectic.

I haven't studied a whole lot of the new testament yet as I'm focusing on the old before I get into the new, I also haven't read from the New International Version of the bible so I'm not sure of the differences between that and the New King James version I read from.

My dad studied at bible college and he was really, REALLY into the end times. It seemed to be what he focused on more than any of the other teachings of the bible which always confused me.

My belief of Jesus has always been about love, hope and joy. It says in the bible that none of his people will see the end times so I do wonder why we are so captivated and curious about what is to happen on this earth whilst we are gone from it.

I feel it isn't really all that important, what is important is that we are here now and we have such a bright future to look forward to, perhaps that's where our thoughts ought to be?

I suppose I don't really have an answer for you yet. It'll still be some time before I study that part of the bible yet. All I can say is that if we are indeed in the great tribulation I must be thankful as I truly have a blessed life.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Here we see the false prophets are not men but spirits not of this world

 

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Here we see the false prophets are not men but spirits not of this world

Who do you think the saints are?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

What is a "Saint" in the Bible? Meaning and Verses

https://www.christianity.com/jesus/...faith-and-salvation/what-does-saint-mean.html

Often when one hears the word saint, the first thing that comes to mind is a person who is especially holy or religious. For others, it might be a person who has been officially recognized (the technical term is “canonized”) by the Roman Catholic church for their “heroic virtue” and evidence of at least one miracle performed in their lifetime.1 But as it is used in the Bible, the term saint has a different meaning.

In its most basic sense, a saint is a “holy one,” someone who is set apart for God’s special purposes. As a result, every follower of Jesus Christ is a saint. In most of his letters, the apostle Paul refers to the recipients as saints, including the church at Corinth, where there were significant moral and theological problems! The New Testament writers draw their use of the word saints (“holy ones”) from the Old Testament (e.g., Exod 31:13; Lev 11:45, 19:2; Dan 7:18, 27). Particularly important is Exodus 19:5-6, where God refers to Israel as “a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.” First Peter 2:9 applies this same language to believers: “you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.”

To understand what it means that every follower of Christ is a saint, we can look at it from two different—but complementary—angles. The first is our position before God. In 1 Corinthians 1:30, Paul writes that Christ Jesus “became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption.” The word translated as “sanctification” (or “holiness” in some translations) is part of the same word family as the word for “saint.” All who are identified with Jesus Christ by faith are given the status of “holy” before God because of what Jesus has done for us.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Why have so many people got this idea the anti Christ is a man of flesh yet to be revealed who will sit a new temple performing animal sacrifice.

This idea is EMBEDDED in the Bible. So to question it means that you have no clue about this matter, yet post about the Antichrist.

And no, he will NOT perform animal sacrifices.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

As we see yet again every good word of God is being rejected with accusations.


And @Nehemiah6.

Who has just spent no more than 20 seconds reading post 6 which requires study before he once again spewed out his comment.

 

[Nehemiah6]

And @Nehemiah6. Who has just spent no more than 20 seconds reading post 6 which requires study before he once again spewed out his comment.

That one comment I quoted was enough to show that you (1) either do not accept what is embedded in the Bible or (2) you wish to present an unbiblical view of the Antichrist, who is the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, the Beast.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

That one comment I quoted was enough to show that you (1) either do not accept what is embedded in the Bible or (2) you wish to present an unbiblical view of the Antichrist, who is the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, the Beast.

no as always your comment was to discredit somebody else to support your own bias. Which is also antichrist.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Only objections so far

What is the connection between 1 cor 20 and rev 13.5

Would anyone say rev 13.5 has been active since Daniel and still active today.

 

[Obedience]

Only objections so far

What is the connection between 1 cor 20 and rev 13.5

Would anyone say rev 13.5 has been active since Daniel and still active today.

Are you quoting the 1 cor 1:20?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Are you quoting the 1 cor 1:20?

oops my mistake

I believe there is a connection between Daniel 7 and 1 Corinthians 10.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians 10&version=NIV

Which may be both related to rev 13.5.

All three speak of the image of the beast and all three could be why theres so many antichrists in the world.

Warnings From Israel’s History
10 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.”[a] 8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9 We should not test Christ,[b] as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.

11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. 12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! 13 No temptation[c] has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted[d] beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted,[e] he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

Idol Feasts and the Lord’s Supper
14 Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.

18 Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? 19 Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 22 Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?

The Believer’s Freedom
23 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. 24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.

25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”[f]

27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33 even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.

 

[Obedience]

oops my mistake

I believe there is a connection between Daniel 7 and 1 Corinthians 10.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians 10&version=NIV

Which may be both related to rev 13.5.

All three speak of the image of the beast and all three could be why theres so many antichrists in the world.

Warnings From Israel’s History
10 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.”[a] 8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. 9 We should not test Christ,[b] as some of them did—and were killed by snakes. 10 And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.

11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. 12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! 13 No temptation[c] has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted[d] beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted,[e] he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

Idol Feasts and the Lord’s Supper
14 Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.

18 Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? 19 Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 22 Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?

The Believer’s Freedom
23 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. 24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.

25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”[f]

27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33 even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.

I think the difference between Christians and antichrists is that 1 cor 10:24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.

The antichrist seeks his own benefits by his own wisdom.This made them unable to know God's word.

 

[Obedience]

Daniel 7 Why do I feel that this is talking about the five permanent members of the United Nations?

 

[Cameron143]

I think the difference between Christians and antichrists is that 1 cor 10:24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.

The antichrist seeks his own benefits by his own wisdom.This made them unable to know God's word.

Doesn't being born spiritually dead make God's word unknowable for them?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Daniel 7 Why do I feel that this is talking about the five permanent members of the United Nations?

because they all like to idolise each other and in doing so they give power to the beast

 

[Obedience]

Doesn't being born spiritually dead make God's word unknowable for them?

I have met many people when I talk about God.They will ask the same question.What good can God give me?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I think the difference between Christians and antichrists is that 1 cor 10:24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.

The antichrist seeks his own benefits by his own wisdom.This made them unable to know God's word.

1 Corinthians 10:20


20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons.

By idolising idols you also give them power.
The image of the beast is still alive from the beast that rose in Daniel 7. It those beasts who are the false prophets

So say you idolise a statue you open the door to demons they all have one thing in common, there all false prophets.

 

[Cameron143]

I have met many people when I talk about God.They will ask the same question.What good can God give me?

Right. They have no idea how magnificent God is. Reminds me a little of the Samaritan woman at the well. And me before I was born again.