The Error of KJV-Onlyism

[Cameron143]

Right, like you replied to everything I stated.
I strive to reply not as a game between egos, but I reply if I can, and if I feel it will help the body of Christ.
A believer can Google and run into this thread, seeking answers with the Bible and history on this Biblical topic.
I have done so. So I am not looking to play games in hiding the truth like you. If I have an answer that is good and it is not too time-consuming to answer, I will to the best of my ability answer because I know it can help another believer. But how is your non-answer helping the body of Christ? It isn’t. But you are of course free to believe and do as you wish.

Try re-reading 1 Corinthians 13 today, my friend.

If you want to be my teacher, that's fine with me. But I have some conditions:
...you need to answer my questions
...one point at a time
...you will need to be more humble and patient
...you need to have the discernment to actually understand what I'm saying
And you are not intellectually honest. It's all about your ego. But it's easy enough to prove. If it's not about ego,simply don't respond. Don't have to have the last word. Leave it to God to defend you.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Which part of "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: " do you not believe?

If a person only had a Bible that had the story of Noah before the flood came, they might conclude that they have to build an Ark, too.
The point here is that we have to look at the clues in Scripture in the New Testament involving the book of Acts, Paul’s writings, and history to see how things work for the church today involving God’s Word. I believe that the Scriptures lean heavily in favor of the Cessation of the miraculous sign gifts (Although I am not going to say that I could not be wrong and speak against everyone who may be operating by such gifts by God - so as not to condemn myself) (Note: See my points here for Cessationism). The point here is that there is a good case biblically for the Cessation of the miraculous sign gifts and that the Bible is the sole form of how God communicates to us today. Yes, God must illuminate our understanding of His words to us. God abides by His words and helps us with spiritual truths that He can only show to a person. The Scriptures refer to themselves as the Scripture of truth. So while during the early church, Paul was taught by Jesus, we have to understand that we are not in those times anymore. Paul was able to once heal with prayer clothes, but yet later he appeared to not be able to do such a thing because he told Timothy to drink a little wine for the infirmities of his stomach. No prayer cloth was sent to Timothy to heal his stomach issues. So things change. God is not the God of the dead but of the living. God moves and changes things. Also, how can “God told me in a dream or He spoke to me” be applied today? The disciples actually spoke with Jesus, and even the apostle Paul had seen the risen Lord. People who claim to have seen Jesus today are seeing a false European version of Jesus and many of their extra-biblical revelations do not align with the Bible. So this is why the "God told me so today" is not really duplicatable or any kind of standard. God does not even say He will judge by this standard. We will be held accountable to God's Word as found in the Bible and not some extra-biblical stuff going on today. How would one know it is really God talking to them? What would be the purpose? God has already said all we need to be perfect unto every good work (See: 2 Timothy 3:16-17).

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

If you want to be my teacher, that's fine with me. But I have some conditions:
...you need to answer my questions
...one point at a time
...you will need to be more humble and patient
...you need to have the discernment to actually understand what I'm saying
And you are not intellectually honest. It's all about your ego. But it's easy enough to prove. If it's not about ego,simply don't respond. Don't have to have the last word. Leave it to God to defend you.

I am not into playing your games. Either you answer or you don't. I don't reply here just to try and convince you or the individual alone, but I do to edify the body of Christ. If you did the same, you wouldn't play games of egos in saying, "I will not answer unless you answer my questions first." That's childish. So the ball is back in your court. Either answer or don't. Either edify the body of Christ or don't. If you feel I have not answered your questions, please bring up those questions again. I usually repeat questions if I feel a person is not answering them. There are many reasons a person may not answer at first. They are busy, and they cannot answer everything. They may need more time to seek God's Word on the matter to give a better reply later. Sometimes I don't give replies because I am still waiting from God to give the best possible answer with the Bible. Sometimes I reply later, and they don't even know it (Because they are not paying attention to what I said with the Word). But the student of God's Word will hear and see if they are open to what the Word says. Most treat the Bible as if it was silly putty molding and shaping it to what they want it to say. This is what one is able to do easily when they don't have a perfect Bible.

 

[Cameron143]

I am not into playing your games. Either you answer or you don't. I don't reply here just to try and convince you or the individual alone, but I do to edify the body of Christ. If you did the same, you wouldn't play games of egos in saying, "I will not answer unless you answer my questions first." That's childish. So the ball is back in your court. Either answer or don't. Either edify the body of Christ or don't. If you feel I have not answered your questions, please bring up those questions again. I usually repeat questions if I feel a person is not answering them. There are many reasons a person may not answer at first. They are busy, and they cannot answer everything. They may need more time to seek God's Word on the matter to give a better reply later. Sometimes I don't give replies because I am still waiting from God to give the best possible answer with the Bible. Sometimes I reply later, and they don't even know it (Because they are not paying attention to what I said with the Word). But the student of God's Word will hear and see if they are open to what the Word says. Most treat the Bible as if it was silly putty molding and shaping it to what they want it to say. This is what one is able to do easily when they don't have a perfect Bible.

Nuff said.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Nuff said.

I think more could be said on this important Bible topic.

The scary thing is that people do not even realize that God is going to judge those who corrupt His Word.
Revelation talks about not adding or taking away from His word.
If one adds to His Word, the plagues within the book will be added to them.
If one takes away words from His Word, their name will be taken out of the Book of Life.
So Modern Scholars who make their own Bibles are in trouble with the Lord unless they repent.
Some may say this is only the book of Revelation, but God never intended Revelation to be a separate book from the rest of the Bible.
Besides, Modern Scholars alter the book of Revelation, and so this does not help them.
Now, one could say this is the case for the translators of the KJB, but there is no evidence that they chose the wrong texts.
The Vaticanus and Sinaiticus were not even used throughout the centuries by the church.
However, the Byzantine manuscripts which align with the Received Text closely were used by the church for centuries.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Which part of "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: " do you not believe?

Being guided into truth today would be the Bible and not the same method of truth as the apostles were guided by (Seeing they were apostles who had seen the risen Christ). Jesus alluded to a time when men would be more blessed because they believe without having seen as mentioned in John 20:29.

"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." (John 20:29).

This coupled with 2 Timothy 3:16-17 is really convincing. If Scripture is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness so that we can be perfect unto all good works, then there is no need for anything else or any extra-biblical thing.

Not only that but there is a good biblical case one can make for "the Bible Alone + the Anointing to Understand It" (a.k.a. Sola Scriptura).

See here for "My Biblical Case for the Bible Alone + The Anointing To Understand It."

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Which part of "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: " do you not believe?

Here is a graphic I created to help to illustrate what I am talking about.

 

[Dino246]

And he did guide the disciples unto all truth that they needed at that point in history. Do you not agree? And how to God guide them to all truth if not through his word?

Wrong; it was by His Spirit.

 

[Dino246]

Being guided into truth today would be the Bible and not the same method of truth as the apostles were guided by (Seeing they were apostles who had seen the risen Christ). Jesus alluded to a time when men would be more blessed because they believe without having seen as mentioned in John 20:29.

"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." (John 20:29).

This coupled with 2 Timothy 3:16-17 is really convincing. If Scripture is profitable for doctrine and instruction in righteousness so that we can be perfect unto all good works, then there is no need for anything else or any extra-biblical thing.

Not only that but there is a good biblical case one can make for "the Bible Alone + the Anointing to Understand It" (a.k.a. Sola Scriptura).

See here for "My Biblical Case for the Bible Alone + The Anointing To Understand It."

Here's a suggestion: stop responding to posts that aren't addressed to you.

 

[John146]

Wrong; it was by His Spirit.

Was through a warm feeling or goosebumps? Nope, but through his word. One needs both the word and the Spirit.

 

[Dino246]

Was through a warm feeling or goosebumps? Nope, but through his word. One needs both the word and the Spirit.

You're avoiding the issue with your silly strawmen. By your previous posts, you believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of doing what Scripture says He will do. That's a "you" problem. Lashing out at me won't change that.

 

[John146]

You're avoiding the issue with your silly strawmen. By your previous posts, you believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of doing what Scripture says He will do. That's a "you" problem. Lashing out at me won't change that.

Can You give an example of what you are saying concerning the Holy Spirit? How one does not need the word of God to know all truth, just the Spirit?

 

[Dino246]

Can You give an example of what you are saying concerning the Holy Spirit? How one does not need the word of God to know all truth, just the Spirit?

Did Paul have the completed word of God when he penned his letters? No. He was taught by the Spirit of God. This is so blatantly obvious to me that it amazes me you don't see it.

 

[John146]

Did Paul have the completed word of God when he penned his letters? No. He was taught by the Spirit of God. This is so blatantly obvious to me that it amazes me you don't see it.

That's not an example. What Paul knew was revealed to him through the abundance of revelations. Those revelations are the word of God.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Here's a suggestion: stop responding to posts that aren't addressed to you.

It is naturally expected that if a person posts on a public Christian forum, it will by default invite replies from anyone who is a forum member. If you wanted to just keep the conversation between you two, there are other ways, of course.

May God bless you.

 

[Dino246]

That's not an example. What Paul knew was revealed to him through the abundance of revelations. Those revelations are the word of God.

They weren't when they were given to Paul.

 

[Dino246]

It is naturally expected that if a person posts on a public Christian forum, it will by default invite replies from anyone who is a forum member. If you wanted to just keep the conversation between you two, there are other ways, of course.

May God bless you.

You are correct in that it is an open forum, and any member may post in response to any post. However, it is standard etiquette to respond briefly and directly, not to take every opportunity to preach. It's a conversation; treat it as such, and don't monopolize it with your biased diatribes.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

You are correct in that it is an open forum, and any member may post in response to any post. However, it is standard etiquette to respond briefly and directly, not to take every opportunity to preach. It's a conversation; treat it as such, and don't monopolize it with your biased diatribes.

I am free to preach the truth as I please. In fact, we are told to preach the Word. That is why we are here. To tell others about God’s Word and or to discuss it, right? Also, don’t you have biased diatribes? You seem to be against those who hold to believing in the King James Bible strongly. In other words, look in the mirror. Have you never posted a lengthy post before trying to support your beliefs before?

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Did Paul have the completed word of God when he penned his letters? No. He was taught by the Spirit of God. This is so blatantly obvious to me that it amazes me you don't see it.

Paul also learned of the gospel by revelation from Jesus Christ.
Some Christians believe he was in Arabia for three years while he was being primarily taught by Christ.
They say this would have been before he started his missionary journeys involving the Gentiles.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Did Paul have the completed word of God when he penned his letters? No. He was taught by the Spirit of God. This is so blatantly obvious to me that it amazes me you don't see it.

The Communicated Word of God can be...

(1) Direct spoken words by God Himself. The Father spoke directly in the New Testament like at Christ's baptism, and at the Transfiguration on the Mount. Jesus (who is God) also spoke directly to others. The Holy Spirit directly spoke to Philip in Acts 8.
(2) Direct written words by God Himself. Like when God had written the 10 commandments on tablets of stone with His finger.
(3) Holy men of God speaking as they are moved by the Holy Ghost (2 Peter 1:20-21).
(4) Revelation or a vision like with the apostle John involving his writing down the book of Revelation.
(5) Scripture written by men of God (Which is given by inspiration of God).

I believe it is logical to conclude that Scripture is what we have today as God’s words.
The only exceptions would be men who are persecuted during the End Times speaking words under the guidance of the Holy Ghost, and words from the Lord Jesus when He returns, etcetera.