The First War Began In Heaven

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The First War
The first war did not start here on planet Earth, as many people believe, but originated in heaven. As Lucifer (now called Satan, which means deceiver and accuser) rallied his angels to battle for his so-called “rights,” Michael (which means “one who is like God,” or another name for Christ), and His angels fought against this once glorious angel. “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and His angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Rev. 12:7– 9.

Nowhere in the scriptures you quote does it say that this happened before God created the universe..

Revelation is primaraly a book of prophecy.. And so we can conclude that Revelation 12: 7-9 is a prophecy of a future event not some pre universe event.. If we just keep reading the following scripture in Revelation 12 we find out that from the time of satan and his Angels being cast out of heaven and the End is SHORT.. Not long ..

(Revelation 12:10-12) "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. {11} And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. {12} Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

Note also that Micheal and his angels who defeats satan and his angels in heaven did so by the Blood of the Lamb... That blood was secured by Jesus at the time of His death and reasurection..

Also we have the scriptures in the book of Job showing that satan had freedom to access heaven from earth in those times long after the moment of creation..

(Job 1:6-7) "¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. {7} And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

 

[happydolphin007]

So if the first war started in heaven and the Bible is clear about this, how come you are not?
Blessings.

 

[happydolphin007]

After rightly dividing the Word of Truth. In which you have failed.

Bless you. Listen to the Bible please, not me.

 

[happydolphin007]

Upon reflection, after the six days of the account of creation, covered across Genesis 1-2….
Then Genesis 3 is about the fall of man, where Lucifer enters through the serpeant and tempts Eve,
the cunning fallen angel finally cons Eve, by the third strike she folds. She then persuades her husband to take from the forbidden tree. As a result destruction takes place.

 

[happydolphin007]

Nowhere in the scriptures you quote does it say that this happened before God created the universe..

Revelation is primaraly a book of prophecy.. And so we can conclude that Revelation 12: 7-9 is a prophecy of a future event not some pre universe event.. If we just keep reading the following scripture in Revelation 12 we find out that from the time of satan and his Angels being cast out of heaven and the End is SHORT.. Not long ..

(Revelation 12:10-12) "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. {11} And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. {12} Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

Note also that Micheal and his angels who defeats satan and his angels in heaven did so by the Blood of the Lamb... That blood was secured by Jesus at the time of His death and reasurection..

Also we have the scriptures in the book of Job showing that satan had freedom to access heaven from earth in those times long after the moment of creation..

(Job 1:6-7) "¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. {7} And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

Upon reflection, after the six days of the account of creation, covered across Genesis 1-2….
Then Genesis 3 is about the fall of man, where Lucifer enters through the serpeant and tempts Eve,
the cunning fallen angel finally cons Eve, by the third strike she folds. She then persuades her husband to take from the forbidden tree. As a result destruction takes place.
Blessings.

 

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Upon reflection, after the six days of the account of creation, covered across Genesis 1-2….
Then Genesis 3 is about the fall of man, where Lucifer enters through the serpeant and tempts Eve,
the cunning fallen angel finally cons Eve, by the third strike she folds. She then persuades her husband to take from the forbidden tree. As a result destruction takes place.
Blessings.

But the times of Job where way after the times of Adam and Eve.. So satan being blocked from heaven must not have happened during the times of Adam and Eve..

 

[happydolphin007]

But the times of Job where way after the times of Adam and Eve.. So satan being blocked from heaven must not have happened during the times of Adam and Eve..

But the times of Job where way after the times of Adam and Eve.. So satan being blocked from heaven must not have happened during the times of Adam and Eve..

But the times of Job where way after the times of Adam and Eve.. So satan being blocked from heaven must not have happened during the times of Adam and Eve..

I‘m not sure entirely of the chronological order of the books between Genesis and Job, but one thing I can be confident of, is that God is true and knows what He is doing.
Blessings.

 

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I‘m not sure entirely of the chronological order of the books between Genesis and Job, but one thing I can be confident of, is that God is true and knows what He is doing.
Blessings.

That's true..

 

[happydolphin007]

But the times of Job where way after the times of Adam and Eve.. So satan being blocked from heaven must not have happened during the times of Adam and Eve..

If you read Genesis 3 it clearly states the enemy, has entered into the serpent.

 

[Oncefallen]

If you read Genesis 3 it clearly states the enemy, has entered into the serpent.

Help us all out, what verse "clearly states" the enemy ENTERED the serpent.

I just read Genesis 3 from ten different translations ranging from the KJV to the NIV to the NASB, etc and none of them say anything about Satan entering the serpent.

 

[selahsays]

It all began before the earth was created. In the heavenly courts, next to the throne of God, stood an angel who possessed great beauty and wisdom. He was a leader of angels and the “covering cherub.” Ezekiel 28: 14 describes him this way: “You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked back and forth in the midst of the fiery stones.” The God of heaven had established this angel in a position of great honor in His kingdom. He had created him to be one of the leading angels in heaven. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created . . .” verses 12,15. This angel’s name was Lucifer. Unfortunately, terrible changes started to occur in Lucifer. He became dissatisfied with his position. He wanted to be part of the inner circle. He wanted to become “as God,” to be part of the counsel with Christ.
Lucifer became jealous of Christ and the relationship He had with the Father and believed that he was just as qualified to give counsel as Christ. His dissatisfaction led him to murmur about his misfortune to some of his fellow angels, causing them to doubt God’s fairness. Isaiah 14:12–14 describes this sad event.
The First War
The first war did not start here on planet Earth, as many people believe, but originated in heaven. As Lucifer (now called Satan, which means deceiver and accuser) rallied his angels to battle for his so-called “rights,” Michael (which means “one who is like God,” or another name for Christ), and His angels fought against this once glorious angel. “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and His angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Rev. 12:7– 9.
Satan’s Plan for Our Earth
Satan lost the first battle and was cast out of heaven to the earth. “Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.” Revelation 12:12.
Rebellion spread across the earth as Satan went forth to deceive the nations. He encouraged pride in the hearts of men and caused them to covet wealth and power. God’s people were even ensnared in the traps of Satan as he used lust to cause the downfall of the sons of God. Soon God’s people were becoming as corrupt as the descendants of Cain. The “thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” Genesis 6:5. They became so wicked that God decided that the only way to purify the earth was to destroy it with water. God started over with mankind, but found again that “the heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked.” Jeremiah 17:9.
The result of the first sin in heaven was the spread of greed, pride and selfishness. This resulted in war, poverty and the suppression of people. Kings were set who ruled without mercy or compassion. Misery became the handmaiden of injustice, and poverty the result of war. Satan set himself on a path to bring pain and suffering to all mankind. He used wars of his own creation, in which he controlled all sides, in order to fulfill his mission—the greatest amount of suffering for the greatest number.
Gods Soulution
God, on the other hand, had a plan to bring Satan and sin to an end. He saw the rise and fall of nations, and the course that each man would take. He gives us free choice to live as we want, but He is ever at hand to guide and lead if we will submit to His will. He wants to bring happiness and peace to those who will allow Him to work in their lives.
“The central theme of the Bible, the theme about which every other in the whole book clusters, is the redemption plan, the restoration in the human soul of the image of God. … The burden of every book and every passage of the Bible is the unfolding of this wondrous theme—man’s uplifting—the power of God, ‘Which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.’ I Corinthians 15:57 KJV “He who grasps this thought … has the key that will unlock to him the whole treasure house of God’s word.” Education, 126
Christ our Ultimate Hope
On the day when Jesus comes, as we look back over our lives at the things we’ve done, what will we see? A lot of things that are important today will then seem unimportant and worthless. But before that day, Satan is, and will be, working with great power (2 Thessalonians 2:9,10) to keep us from seeing the truth. However, God is working with a greater power than is Satan.
This great controversy, this all-out war, between God and Satan for the souls of mankind, is being fought beyond the sight of mortal eyes, but we must not be fooled, for the enemy of God and man is a great strategist. He has many plans with which to deceive and tempt every man, woman, and child to follow him, but God will make the hidden visible.
At Calvary, Satan’s disguise was torn away and his administration was laid open before the unfallen worlds and the angels of heaven. Satan revealed himself to be a murderer. “By shedding the blood of the Son of God, he had uprooted himself from the sympathies of the heavenly beings. Henceforth his work was restricted.”
The Desire of Ages, 761

Nope. Revelation 12:7-9 is describing the 5th trump:
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

- Revelation 9:1 (KJV)

 

[Aaron56]

Hello
Please explain why you feel this way.

For one thing they try to make bread bowls from unleavened bread. Who does that? They’re like those clay ash trays we used to make in art class except filled with dip. I mean, just grab a bag of nachos and a jar of salsa. It isn’t that hard.

 

[PennEd]

Hello
Please explain why you feel this way. Adventist teaching, from what I’ve learnt so far are teachings that align with Bible scripture, more than any other denomination. God loves everyone though. God wants people to come out of error, it’s in Jesus’s character when He spoke up against the Pharisees and religious teachers of the law.
Blessings.

There are so many heresies from Ellen White it’s hard to know where to start. Especially since many are very close to truth, yet subtly inject a terrible heresy a listener or reader may miss.

But this heresy of hers is not hard to miss. She gives the atoning work of Jesus Christ to Satan.

EGW:
“It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed.” The Great Controversy, p. 422.
“As the priest, in removing the sins from the sanctuary, confessed them upon the head of the scapegoat, so Christ will place all these sins upon Satan, the originator and instigator of sin.”The Great Controversy, p. 485.
“Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin.” Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5, p. 475.


Of course you don’t have to be a very mature Christian to know that Jesus bore our sins.

Many passages speak of this.

 

[Magenta]

Of course you don’t have to be a very mature Christian to know that Jesus bore our sins.

Many passages speak of this.

And not just bore our sin, but became sin for us .

2 Corinthians 5:21
God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

 

[happydolphin007]

There are so many heresies from Ellen White it’s hard to know where to start. Especially since many are very close to truth, yet subtly inject a terrible heresy a listener or reader may miss.

But this heresy of hers is not hard to miss. She gives the atoning work of Jesus Christ to Satan.

EGW:
“It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed.” The Great Controversy, p. 422.
“As the priest, in removing the sins from the sanctuary, confessed them upon the head of the scapegoat, so Christ will place all these sins upon Satan, the originator and instigator of sin.”The Great Controversy, p. 485.
“Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin.” Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 5, p. 475.


Of course you don’t have to be a very mature Christian to know that Jesus bore our sins.

Many passages speak of this.

The identification and eschatological meaning of the scapegoat of Leviticus 16 has generated much discussion in academic circles. Within ancient Jewish tradition, the scapegoat was always seen as a demonic being. 2 But since the postapostolic period, many Christian expositors have tried to identify it with Christ and His sacrificial death. White is actually saying that When Christ, by virtue of his own blood, removes the sins of his people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of his ministration, he will place them upon Satan, who, in the execution of the judgment, must bear the final penalty. This means God will destroy satan at the very end, after the thousand years have finished Please refer to Revelation 20. Jesus is likened to the Lamb slain, the innocent Lamb bought to the slaughter, not a scape goat.

Do you also disagree that that when White speaks of the Reformers that were martyred, she wrote about, John Wycliffe, the Waldenses and many others. Do you agree with her writings here? This lady had many visions from God.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

This lady had many visions from God.

Precious friend, the problems with that, today, According To Grace Scriptures?:

"...we walk by faith, not by sight..." (2Co 5:7)​

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"And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself​

and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think ​

above That Which Is Written, that no one of you be puffed up for​

one against another." (1Co 4:6)​

Amen.

 

[happydolphin007]

For one thing they try to make bread bowls from unleavened bread. Who does that? They’re like those clay ash trays we used to make in art class except filled with dip. I mean, just grab a bag of nachos and a jar of salsa. It isn’t that hard.

I see your into dividing the flock, as Christians aren’t we supposed to pray for each other? Instead of tearing each other down. I’m sorry I’m not in support of what you might be trying to do.
Blessings.

 

[happydolphin007]

Precious friend, the problems with that, today, According To Grace Scriptures?:

"...we walk by faith, not by sight..." (2Co 5:7)​

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"And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself​

and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think ​

above That Which Is Written, that no one of you be puffed up for​

one against another." (1Co 4:6)​

Amen.

Hello well known member. Have a good day. God knows the truth.
Blessings.

 

[happydolphin007]

Precious friend, the problems with that, today, According To Grace Scriptures?:

"...we walk by faith, not by sight..." (2Co 5:7)​

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"And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself​

and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think ​

above That Which Is Written, that no one of you be puffed up for​

one against another." (1Co 4:6)​

Amen.

When Jesus performed many miracles, for example, restoring sight to the blind, do you write these off? Or do you say Jesus was doing these things because Jesus was inspired by satan?

Blessings.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

When Jesus performed many miracles, for example, restoring sight to the blind, do you write these off? Or do you say Jesus was doing these things because Jesus was inspired by satan?

Blessings.

No, I do not "write anything off" that Jesus Did, such as "restoring sight to the blind."

In fact, I have a blind daughter that I pray in faith, That He, If "It Is His Will
Today," To Do The Same for her. If not, then I am Very Comforted In His
Wonderful Truth, that on our resurrection / rapture Day, That His Wonderful
Face "Will Be The First One she Shall SEE" In Glorification!

Amen.