Thy word is truth...once we have the truth, the Holy Spirit can guide us to understanding...yes?
The Error of KJV-Onlyism
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Thy word is truth...once we have the truth, the Holy Spirit can guide us to understanding...yes?
Totally agree and I'm all for it. But those translations cannot be considered the holy, pure words of God without error.
Dung...rubbish...garbage...the chosen word doesn't really matter since they're all bad.
Does that mean you think the Holy Spirit cannot guide us unless we already have the truth? Be careful how you answer.
Whatever. When you're capable of putting forth a rational argument, you're welcome to do so. Your opinion doesn't account for much.
I like what Cameron said "False beliefs can come from good translations. I'm not in favor of bad translations, but you use the KJV and still believe in a works salvation and don't believe eternal life is actually eternal. Can't blame that on the version. "
Are all Hebrew/Greek translations the same? Nope. Trying to think through out my 50+ years of bring found by Christ where someone said God told them (lets hope we all believe He does still talks) "that translation (bible) is wrong I never said it like that" Yeah I can't.
If we keep looking/staying in the natural here then sure you will find so many things wrong. Then if its not this its all those other books that never got put in that should have ..oops should not have
Ever have the sweel holy Spirit give you a word and then told you where (chapter and verse) that was in the bible that you never knew about? Oh I so wish it happened all the time but only twice so far in 50+ years. My point is I think back and in those moments NONE of this talk thinking ever popped up. Some of you know this. How many times you talked with GOD and then after "WHAT? How could I not remember to ask Him that/those questions". Because were making something out of nothing.
Are all Hebrew/Greek translations the same? Nope. Trying to think through out my 50+ years of bring found by Christ where someone said God told them (lets hope we all believe He does still talks) "that translation (bible) is wrong I never said it like that" Yeah I can't.
If we keep looking/staying in the natural here then sure you will find so many things wrong. Then if its not this its all those other books that never got put in that should have ..oops should not have
Ever have the sweel holy Spirit give you a word and then told you where (chapter and verse) that was in the bible that you never knew about? Oh I so wish it happened all the time but only twice so far in 50+ years. My point is I think back and in those moments NONE of this talk thinking ever popped up. Some of you know this. How many times you talked with GOD and then after "WHAT? How could I not remember to ask Him that/those questions". Because were making something out of nothing.
Outside the scope of John146’s friends, Calvinists can be either for the KJV Bible-believing position or they can be for Textual Criticism. Calvinists who are into Textual Criticism include James White, John MacArthur, John Piper, and Matt Slick.
Calvinists who are more well-known and believe in the King James Bible as the pure Word of God are Will Kinney, Dr. Ken Matto, and the author of YougTextlessReformed.com (Note: He also has a YouTube Channel). Will Kinney probably has the best apologetic articles involving the KJB (Brandplucked.com).
Right, Any person who says that trusting verses and trusting God are two different things does not understand that Scripture is the words of God for us. Scripture testifies of Jesus (who is God).
"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." (John 5:39).
Think also that if the Scriptures testify of Jesus, then we must conclude there is a true set of the perfect Scriptures because Jesus is perfect (Seeing they testify of Him).
No true Christian would dare say Jesus is not perfect.
And yet the Scriptures do in fact testify of Him.
I like what Cameron said "False beliefs can come from good translations. I'm not in favor of bad translations, but you use the KJV and still believe in a works salvation and don't believe eternal life is actually eternal. Can't blame that on the version. "
Are all Hebrew/Greek translations the same? Nope. Trying to think through out my 50+ years of bring found by Christ where someone said God told them (lets hope we all believe He does still talks) "that translation (bible) is wrong I never said it like that" Yeah I can't.
If we keep looking/staying in the natural here then sure you will find so many things wrong. Then if its not this its all those other books that never got put in that should have ..oops should not have
Ever have the sweel holy Spirit give you a word and then told you where (chapter and verse) that was in the bible that you never knew about? Oh I so wish it happened all the time but only twice so far in 50+ years. My point is I think back and in those moments NONE of this talk thinking ever popped up. Some of you know this. How many times you talked with GOD and then after "WHAT? How could I not remember to ask Him that/those questions". Because were making something out of nothing.
Again, if the ultimate standard is not the Bible, and the ultimate standard is God spoke to me or gave me an impression, or a vision, then how do we know we are not being misled by our own false thoughts, or a false spirit, etcetera? Yes, God can talk to us, but it is by His Word. But if there is no standard or perfect Bible, then how can we trust which words are true or false? We could be deceived into thinking we are special and God is not going to lead us down the wrong path when reading from a corrupt Bible, but there is no real assurance of that. Ten people can all claim that God is speaking to them on the understanding of a particular verse and they can all have different understandings on it. So who is truly right? How would you truly know? Well, the true way to tell is if we have a correct Bible and we are reading it contextually instead of trying to explain away what it says because we may not like what it says, etcetera.
Calvinists derive their belief ultimately from a man named John Calvin who had a man executed over theological differences.
John Calvin helped to have Michael Servetus burned at the stake because he did not believe in the Trinity.
Granted, denying the Trinity is heresy, but we shouldn’t kill people over it.
Calvinist’s believe in a 5 point belief system called TULIP (Which is false).
Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, and Perseverance of the Saints.
Ultimately the main belief of Calvinism is fatalism in regards to a person’s salvation (Unconditional Election).
The Calvinists believe God is the one who chooses or forces a person to be saved and He chooses others to not be saved.
In Calvinism: Free will of man in choosing salvation does not exist at all in our choice involving God.
Calvinists are confused because there are some verses that sound like Calvinism at first glance (like John 6:44, and Romans 9), but they are not reading these pieces of Scripture in context.
Verses that should end the argument of Calvinism are:
2 Thessalonians 2:10 - The reason why the wicked perish is because they received not the love of the truth that they MIGHT be saved.
Jonah 3 - God tells Jonah judgment is coming for Nineveh in 40 days, and when they forsake their evil ways, that is when God turns back and bringing judgment upon them.
Psalms 7:11 - God is angry at the wicked every day. Note: Why is God angry with them if He chose them to be damned?
Matthew 23:37 - Jesus says that He desire for the people of Jerusalem to be gathered to Him like a hen gathers her chicks, but they would not allow Him to do so.
There is a lot more verses of course, but these are just a couple of the heavy hitter verses that refutes this false belief.
What's a Calvinist? Do they claim to be Calvinist's or did you apply the label?
And yet those verses don't end the beliefs of those you label Calvinists; surprisingly, even the ones who employ the use of the KJB.
Psalms 138:2
”I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.”
This truth is changed in Modern Bibles. No wonder you do not believe it.
Well, you just learned about Calvinism. I have had many discussions with Calvinists over the years since 2010/2011. I also have read many articles on the topic over the years, as well. I have debated the intricacies of John 6:44, and Romans 9 on several occasions. Some Calvinists do not mind the label and others do. In either case, their belief reflects what they believe. In other words, if there is a theological term that fits my belief, I am not afraid to admit that. But I think some Calvinists want to distance themselves from John Calvin because he was not a nice man.
I mean, Christian is a label. It means a follower of Christ.
Yes. Calvinists use the KJB as much as anyone else, although if they had a choice they would stick to the Geneva Bible.
But Calvinism is not the issue here. The issue is to show that there are good reasons to use the KJB exclusively in order to avoid errors. No one should claim that it is "inspired" (a "God-breathed" translation). But all should admit that it is the only faithful and trustworthy translation in the English language at present, because it fairly represents the majority of Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. And it also has many qualities that make it an excellent translation. Even the History web site supports this position:
Emerging at a high point in the English Renaissance, the King James Bible held its own among some of the most celebrated literary works in the English language (think William Shakespeare). Its majestic cadences would inspire generations of artists, poets, musicians and political leaders, while many of its specific phrases worked their way into the fabric of the language itself.
Even now, more than four centuries after its publication, the King James Bible (a.k.a. the King James Version, or simply the Authorized Version) remains the most famous Bible translation in history—and one of the most printed books ever.
https://www.history.com/news/king-james-bible-most-popular
So much for the detractors of the King James Bible.
Right, because people choose to believe things despite what the Scriptures say.
They like a particular false view or belief about God because it fits their preference even if the Bible clearly says otherwise.
The question is… why? Well, I always seen Calvinism as a lack of responsibility.
People do not want to own up to being held accountable for anything.
If God is the One who chooses them, or does not choose them, they cannot be blamed if they choose to live a life contrary to God.
Or they may think they are extra special because they had a moment in their life whereby they were changed by God.
But the Scriptures says, “For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.” (Galatians 6:3).
Side Note:
Are you Ecumenical? Do you believe you can fellowship with Mormons, and Catholics and other heretical Christian groups?
Thank you for that reference.
Praise the Lord that we have God’s words today that we can trust.