Confusion is not of God.

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Confusion is not of God, men cause confusion. For what purpose? Greed, pride, who knows what lies in the heart of man or woman. Corrupted Bible I believe are the greatest enemy of the church from within. Brooke Foss Westcott (1825-1903) and Fenton John Anthony Hort combined with the A-Codex Sinaiticus, and B-Vatican manuscripts have done a great deal of damage to the unity of the Christian community. Examine the differences in the two most popular Bibles, the King James and the N.I.V.

‘When you see this’, that means it was left out of the N.I.V.

K.J.V. 1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." in

N.I.V. 1 John 5:7, “For there are three that testify;” I don’t even have to comment on this corrupted translation.


K.J.V. Colossians 1:14, "In whom we have redemption through His (Jesus) blood, even the forgiveness of sins."

N.I.V. Colossians 1:14, “In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.”


K.J.V. Acts 8:37, Philip came to a eunuch, who had great authority. The eunuch was reading the book Of Isaiah but could not understand it. Philip then began to explain what was written.

Acts 8:36, "See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? Verse 37, "Philip said, if thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he (the eunuch) answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

N.I.V. Acts 8:36, “As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. Why souldn’t I be baptized?” Verse 37 has been removed. There is no response from Philip to the eunuch’s question.


K.J.V. Matthew 18:11, Jesus said, "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."

N.I.V. Matthew 18:11, The verse has been removed.



K.J.V. Luke 9:56, Jesus said, "For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village."

N.I.V. Luke 9:56, “And they went to another village.” The answer of why the Father sent his Son, and why he died for us has been removed.


K.J.V. 1 Timothy 3:16, “Without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,”

N.I.V. “the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body,” The word God has been changed to He, removing the clearest teaching in all Scripture that Jesus Christ is God himself.


Luke 4:4, K.J.B. “And Jesus answered him, saying, it is written, that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.”

Luke 4:4, N.I.V. “Jesus answered, it is written: man does not live on bread alone.” Left out, but by every word of God.” In doing so, Jesus would be exalting “every word to the devil.


O.T. prophesy: Psalms 69:21, “They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.”

K.J.V. Matthew 27:34, “They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall;” Compare with,

N.I.V. Matthew 27:34, “There they offered Jesus' wine to drink, mixed with gull;” By changing vinegar to wine, the Bible would be inaccurate and in error, and give our enemies ammunition for mocking the Scriptures.


K.J.B. Matthew 27:35, “And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, they parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.” Compare with the,

N.I.V. Matthew 27:35, “When they had crucified him, they divided up his clothes by casting lots.” Leaving out the above is definitely a matter of doctrine and theology.


O.T. prophesy: Isaiah 53:12, “and he was numbered with transgressors;”

K.J.V. Mark 15:28, “And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, and he was numbered with the transgressors.” Compare with the,

N.I.V. Mark 15:28, The N.I.V. left the entire verse out.


K.J.V. Matthew 25:13, “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.” Compare with the,

N.I.V. Matthew 25:13, “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.” By leaving out the above, they deny the return of Christ.

K.J.V. Mark 6:11, “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when you depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment than for that city.” Compare with the,

N.I.V. Mark 6:11, “And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them.” Leaving out the above is a matter of doctrine.

K.J.V. Colossians 3:6, “For these things sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience.” Compare with the,

N.I.V. Colossians 3:6, “Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.” These words indicate clearly the exact recipients of God’s wrath and judgment.


K.J.V. John 3:15, “That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.” Compare with the,

N.I.V. John 3:15, "That everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.” By removing the above, the reality of hell has been removed. They use a comma instead of a colon to close out verse 14.


K.J.V. Romans 14:10, “But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at naught they brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.”

N.I.V. Romans 14:10, “You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.” By replacing “God’s judgment seat” for the “judgment seat of Christ,” some may think the verse refers to “the great white throne” judgment.















Let's continue our journey comparing the K.J.V. and the N.I.V. Bibles. I was challenged by someone on this forum to show them doctrinal differences between Bibles. I believe many inaccurate translations are intentional. The end product severely dilutes, and confuse. We are in a spiritual war. What we see is the visible, not the invisible.



K.J.V. 1 John 5:7, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." in

N.I.V. 1 John 5:7, “For there are three that testify;” I don’t even have to comment on this corrupted translation.

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K.J.V. Colossians 1:14, "In whom we have redemption through His (Jesus) blood, even the forgiveness of sins."



N.I.V. Colossians 1:14, “In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.”

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K.J.V. Acts 8:37, Philip came to a eunuch, who had great authority. The eunuch was reading the book Of Isaiah, but could not understand it. Philip then began to explain what was written.
Acts 8:36, "See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? Verse 37, "Philip said, if thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he (the eunuch) answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."



N.I.V. “As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. Why souldn’t I be baptized?” Verse 37 has been removed. There is no response from Philip to the eunuch’s question.

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K.J.V. Matthew 18:11, Jesus said, "For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost."



N.I.V. The verse has been removed.
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K.J.V. Luke 9:56, Jesus said, "For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village."

N.I.V. “And they went to another village.” The answer of why the Father sent his Son, and why he died for us has been removed.
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3. K.J.V. 1 Timothy 3:16, “Without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh,”

N.I.V. “the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body,”

The word God has been changed to He, removing the clearest teaching in all Scripture that Jesus Christ is God himself.
 

Nehemiah6

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Confusion is not of God, men cause confusion.
Yes. Men do cause confusion, but who is really behind that? It is Satan, whose primary weapon is deception. Westcott and Hort were deceived because they did not love the truth. But then they went on to deceive the Christian world, and very few exposed their lies.

Once the modern Bible perversions began to appear, very few of those who should have exposed them (Christian "leaders") actually did. And there was huge propaganda against the King James Bible and the traditional Hebrew and Greek texts, especially in the seminaries. But -- as Dean Burgon said -- it was Satan who was behind the corruption of Bible manuscripts, and all that followed.
 

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Yes. Men do cause confusion, but who is really behind that? It is Satan, whose primary weapon is deception. Westcott and Hort were deceived because they did not love the truth. But then they went on to deceive the Christian world, and very few exposed their lies.

Once the modern Bible perversions began to appear, very few of those who should have exposed them (Christian "leaders") actually did. And there was huge propaganda against the King James Bible and the traditional Hebrew and Greek texts, especially in the seminaries. But -- as Dean Burgon said -- it was Satan who was behind the corruption of Bible manuscripts, and all that followed.
Amen to that brother. I have only scratched the surface on these corruptions. But honestly, do you think anyone who uses these corrupted Bible cares?
 

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Amen to that brother. I have only scratched the surface on these corruptions. But honestly, do you think anyone who uses these corrupted Bible cares?
That's the amazing and troubling thing. Even after those deceived by modern versions see what has been done to Scripture, they refuse to give up their corrupt bibles. Once again it shows that if one does not love the truth over everything else, he or she will be deceived (sooner or later).
 

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And so the dreaded scourge returns 😊
We had a heavy rainstorm this morning, and all the power went off. So, I went to Jacks restaurant for breakfast. When the waitress came over, I asked her; “Is the coffee fresh?” She replied, “No, but I am!”
 
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We had a heavy rainstorm this morning, and all the power went off. So, I went to Jacks restaurant for breakfast. When the waitress came over, I asked her; “Is the coffee fresh?” She replied, “No, but I am!”
you should have said I've been looking for an espresso for a while now 🥳
 
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Confusion is not of God, men cause confusion. For what purpose? Greed, pride, who knows what lies in the heart of man or woman. Corrupted Bible I believe are the greatest enemy of the church from within. Brooke Foss Westcott (1825-1903) and Fenton John Anthony Hort combined with the A-Codex Sinaiticus, and B-Vatican manuscripts have done a great deal of damage to the unity of the Christian community. Examine the differences in the two most popular Bibles, the King James and the N.I.V..
Honestly I have to say that after reading alot of your thoughts on your website, and here. I can see you have developed a mindset that thinks you have everything worked out.

But prophecy is open to interpretation and prophecy is not something you can lean on your own understanding about. There is a clear warning about that in our bible, which should be taken seriously.

I remember i went through a stage of discovering scripture and seeing secrets that line up with secrets, or so I thought . I wrote a whole book 100s of pages all about creation, I was so convinced I was correct but it turned out I was wrong.

I no longer have that book I wrote.

But it was so magical to me what I had discovered, I felt the need to publicise it. I wanted to share my knowledge with the world.

I thought of many ways I could get the truth out there, such was my belief in what I had discovered.

Such was my determination I started to phone churches and speak to vicars about my discoveries.

They had all heard it before and they made me see truth. And made me realise I was no more important than anyone else.

I just wonder if you have spoken to a pastor with all your findings.

Because I really think you should 🙂
 

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funny thing is, in the days before all these translations folks really knew their bibles and what it taught.

... The Living Bible is a breath of fresh air, mebbe a little crass in places but for theology it is as straight as an arrow.

... if you be pickled in the KJV or Tynedale new translations will set your teeth on edge.
 

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Confusion is not of God, men cause confusion. For what purpose? Greed, pride, who knows what lies in the heart of man or woman. ... Examine the differences in the two most popular Bibles, the King James and the N.I.V.
I've said it to many others, I might as well say it to you:

If all you do is compare the KJV to the NIV (or to any other translation), all you can demonstrate is that there are differences. You can't prove that either is correct, you can't prove that either is corrupted, you can't prove anything other than the existence of differences.

To claim anything beyond that is to assume a whole lot that you haven't actually stated, and even if you do state what you left out, the burden is on you to support your assertions with evidence.


‘When you see this’,
that means it was left out of the N.I.V.
No, it means the KJV includes it and the NIV doesn't. You haven't demonstrated with independent evidence that this belongs in the Bible.


Corrupted Bible I believe are the greatest enemy of the church from within.
You're welcome to your belief, but I disagree; I think that misuse of the available Scripture does far more damage. The SDA's, Mormons, JW's, and other aberrant groups didn't start with "corrupted Bibles" but with mishandling of the Bible they had.

It's the same problem with many "preachers" today.
 

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You can't prove that either is correct, you can't prove that either is corrupted, you can't prove anything other than the existence of differences.
Actually the proof that the NIV and all modern translations are corrupt has been well-document and established. So the burden of proof is on you that the only thing that has been proved are differences. So do your due diligence and discover the proof for yourself. That is what anyone seeking the truth would have already done.
 
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I've said it to many others, I might as well say it to you:

If all you do is compare the KJV to the NIV (or to any other translation), all you can demonstrate is that there are differences. You can't prove that either is correct, you can't prove that either is corrupted, you can't prove anything other than the existence of differences.

To claim anything beyond that is to assume a whole lot that you haven't actually stated, and even if you do state what you left out, the burden is on you to support your assertions with evidence.



No, it means the KJV includes it and the NIV doesn't. You haven't demonstrated with independent evidence that this belongs in the Bible.



You're welcome to your belief, but I disagree; I think that misuse of the available Scripture does far more damage. The SDA's, Mormons, JW's, and other aberrant groups didn't start with "corrupted Bibles" but with mishandling of the Bible they had.

It's the same problem with many "preachers" today.
yes but will he listen 🤔
 
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Actually the proof that the NIV and all modern translations are corrupt has been well-document and established. So the burden of proof is on you that the only thing that has been proved are differences. So do your due diligence and discover the proof for yourself. That is what anyone seeking the truth would have already done.
it's been well documented by demi Gods and dogmas
 
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Amen to that brother. I have only scratched the surface on these corruptions. But honestly, do you think anyone who uses these corrupted Bible cares?
at least you've done one right thing in calling the KJB the KJV .

But that's it, but you still need to put the Holy Bible before the KJV and Niv