What Does It Mean That God Desires All People To Be Saved?
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So God established marriage.You can learn something beyond the Bible study experience by educating your children.The correct process of educating children is to use different methods at different stages, but the purpose is the same. You need children to learn obedience.Because you know what is good for them, and they doesn't necessarily realize it.
I hope you won't regret your education for your children.
I hope you won't regret your education for your children.
You can't take a verse out of its own context and, by cobbling it together with several other verses also wrested from their contexts, fabricate an artificial context that make the original verse fit your theory.
The context of Romans 4:3 shows clearly the Paul means us to understand that it is Abraham's faith the God reckons to Abraham as righteousness.
2For if Abraham were justified (i.e. made righteous) by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3For what saith the scripture?
Abraham believed God, and it was counted (i.e. that Abraham believed God was accounted/accredited) unto him (i.e. unto Abraham) for righteousness.
4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt [to him that worketh]
5¶But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly (i.e. to him that worketh not but believeth on God: to Abraham), his faith (i.e. the faith of the one who worketh not but believeth on God: Abraham's faith) is accounted/accredited for righteousness.
According to vv 3 and 5, it is Abraham who is doing the believing, not God. So the "his faith" must be Abraham's faith, because he is the only one being spoken of in this context as "believing". And it iis therefore Abraham's faith that is accounted to Abraham as righteousness by God; not God's faith being accredited as righteousness to God by Abraham.
V.3 is not saying "3For what saith the scripture?
Abraham believed God, and it was counted (i.e. that Abraham believed God was accounted/accredited) unto God for righteousness.
The context of Romans 4:3 shows clearly the Paul means us to understand that it is Abraham's faith the God reckons to Abraham as righteousness.
2For if Abraham were justified (i.e. made righteous) by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3For what saith the scripture?
Abraham believed God, and it was counted (i.e. that Abraham believed God was accounted/accredited) unto him (i.e. unto Abraham) for righteousness.
4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt [to him that worketh]
5¶But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly (i.e. to him that worketh not but believeth on God: to Abraham), his faith (i.e. the faith of the one who worketh not but believeth on God: Abraham's faith) is accounted/accredited for righteousness.
According to vv 3 and 5, it is Abraham who is doing the believing, not God. So the "his faith" must be Abraham's faith, because he is the only one being spoken of in this context as "believing". And it iis therefore Abraham's faith that is accounted to Abraham as righteousness by God; not God's faith being accredited as righteousness to God by Abraham.
V.3 is not saying "3For what saith the scripture?
Abraham believed God, and it was counted (i.e. that Abraham believed God was accounted/accredited) unto God for righteousness.
Thanks for the 👍,@PaulThomson — This is my favorite free will scripture. Every person must believe in the only begotten Son if indeed they want everlasting life.
Read this verse- that Abraham's faith was reckoned to him by God - that "faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness"?
[Rom 4:9 KJV] 9 [Cometh] this blessedness then upon the circumcision [only], or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
The "his faith" is Christ's faith which is accounted for righteousness, as Rom 4:9 so inform us, because if reckoned, it couldn't have been Abraham's faith. Only Christ's faith is righteous/has righteousness. That is why I included the verses I did - to demonstrate that fact. Here I post again:
[Rom 3:22 KJV]
22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[Rom 10:3 KJV]
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[Rev 2:13 KJV]
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, [even] where Satan's seat [is]: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas [was] my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
[Phl
3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Could it have been made any clearer by God than that? That righteousness only comes through the faith of Christ imputed to man by God, and that man cannot produce that of himself? To have the one, you have to also must have the other. There simply is no other possibility.
I didn't say that God does the believing. I said that Abrahm's belief came from Christ's imputed faith and Abraham realized that was where his belief came from, as all of the saved realize. It became Abraham's because God gave it to him through His grace. It was Christ's faith being accredited to Abrham that gave Abraham Christ's righteousness. Christ was the only one truly faithful, and that faith alone, not man's, pleased the Father. That is why/how righteousness was accounted to Abraham, and that is how/why Christ is the Saviour and man is not.
[Rom 1:16-17 KJV]
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
[Heb 3:1-2 KJV]
1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses [was faithful] in all his house.
BTW after pondering John 6, I continue to disagree with your assessment of it. I believe that it is saying it is the work of God
that one believes.
[Rom 4:9 KJV] 9 [Cometh] this blessedness then upon the circumcision [only], or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
The "his faith" is Christ's faith which is accounted for righteousness, as Rom 4:9 so inform us, because if reckoned, it couldn't have been Abraham's faith. Only Christ's faith is righteous/has righteousness. That is why I included the verses I did - to demonstrate that fact. Here I post again:
[Rom 3:22 KJV]
22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[Rom 10:3 KJV]
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[Rev 2:13 KJV]
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, [even] where Satan's seat [is]: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas [was] my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
[Phl
3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Could it have been made any clearer by God than that? That righteousness only comes through the faith of Christ imputed to man by God, and that man cannot produce that of himself? To have the one, you have to also must have the other. There simply is no other possibility.
I didn't say that God does the believing. I said that Abrahm's belief came from Christ's imputed faith and Abraham realized that was where his belief came from, as all of the saved realize. It became Abraham's because God gave it to him through His grace. It was Christ's faith being accredited to Abrham that gave Abraham Christ's righteousness. Christ was the only one truly faithful, and that faith alone, not man's, pleased the Father. That is why/how righteousness was accounted to Abraham, and that is how/why Christ is the Saviour and man is not.
[Rom 1:16-17 KJV]
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
[Heb 3:1-2 KJV]
1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses [was faithful] in all his house.
BTW after pondering John 6, I continue to disagree with your assessment of it. I believe that it is saying it is the work of God
that one believes.
Perhaps free will should be defined in these discussions to do with whether man has the ability to choose God without God's help. Sure I can will myself to stand from sitting, or to sit from standing, just as a slave can, but that is not really what is under consideration in these types of exchanges on a Christian chat site. Also, man's will is constrained by many factors... too many for me to consider it to be truly free. Nobody can will themselves to fly. They may desire it, and I consider desire to be a function of the will, but neither desiring nor willing to fly will do anything for a man to accomplish fight. Please do not introduce airplanes into the convo LOL. The natural man does not choose God, nor is his will free to do so, being hostile in his mind toward God - God's enemy, a child of wrath.
