The Commandments of God (according to scripture)

[notmyown]

Why does it make sense to you to think that we can follow a principle, but not the things that are examples of a principle that were given to teach us how to follow it?


In Revelation 2:20, it also speaks against eating food offered to idols, so that is not permitted in the NT either in principle or in action. What Paul did was interpret that being a prohibition from eating food directly from the altar and participating in the sacrifice, not has causing something wrong with


It should not make sense to you to think that the weaker brother is the one who is obeying what God has commanded, but rather that is the stronger brother. It is important to distinguish between what the Bible says in regard to obeying God's commands and what it says in regard to following man's opinions, where someone's conscience prevents them from doing what God as permitted them to do. In Acts 21:20-24, Paul planned to take steps to disprove false rumors that he was teaching against obeying God's law and to show that he continued to live ion obedience to it, and in Acts 24:14, he testified that he worshiped the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law and written in the Prophets, so should not be interpreted as speaking against obeying the Law or in a way that would include himself or Jesus for that matter as the weaker brother.


Everything that proceeded from the mouth of God includes everything that God said in the OT, so I don't see how you can use that to justify focusing on reading a small part of what has proceeded from the mouth of God. Likewise, I don't see how you can believe that we should live by every word that proceeds from the most of God while also believing that we shouldn't live by things that proceeded from God's mouth in the OT.

certainly the entire Bible is a Christian book, meant to be read and loved by the people of God.

do you know what time it is in redemptive history?

 

[posthuman]

Not according to God who said right in the Ten Commandments that is based on love. Love and obedience to God go hand in hand. How can one love God but not love Him enough to do what He asks.

Exo 20: 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

this demonstrates the truth of what Jesus Christ the LORD said, not contradicts it, as you argue - that the decalogue is not the basis of the Law, but to love God and to love your neighbor is the basis of the Law.

the decalogue is nothing without love.
you can scrupulously do nothing on sabbath endlessly but without love, all your ceremonial inaction is void. no matter how much you do not steal or do not murder, if you do not have love, you have nothing.

but if you have love, you need no law to tell you what is appropriate behavior or not. only the unrighteous need to be told, 'be righteous!'

 

[posthuman]

It does...

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

It was the law that was the prescription for sin (pointing to Jesus) as shown in Hebrews 7, Hebrews 9, Hebrews 10, not the law that defines sin, the Ten Commandments Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30

Moses handwrote the law of ordinances; God finger wrote the Ten Commandments. Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16

please see Post 455 which thoroughly refutes the human tradition of attempting to break the Law into deletable and undeletable jots and tittles.
the Law is one Law. that is how scripture defines it.

we are saved from the condemnation of the Law by entrusting ourselves to Christ, Who died for us. He did not only die a little bit.
because He died, and because we died with Him, the Law has no jurisdiction over us - just like a woman whose husband has died, we are free to marry another, even Jesus Himself, the Lamb.
if our old husband were only severely injured, and we take a new husband while keeping the old one, we are adulterers.
that is the blasphemy of what you are preaching.

but our hope is firmly in Christ Who died and rose for us - and no other thing, no work or rule, and no one else.

do we therefore do nothing? of course not.

 

[mailmandan]

Is handwritten by Moses the same as finger written by God? Col 2:14 is very specific. Something that is holy and blessed by God, is not the definition of contrary. Only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20

I see that you completely ignored 2 Corinthians 3:6-9 and Ephesians 2:15 in light of Colossians 2:14-17. You seem determined to remain on the old covenant plantation of law and cannot seem to make the transition into the new covenant. You remind me of the Israelites in Romans 10:1-4.

What does Jesus say on the matter does He teach we can break the Ten Commandments? He certainly does not.

Have you ever broken the 10 commandments? Of course, you have. Everyone has. (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8-10) Except for Jesus. (2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 2:22) Otherwise, you would be without sin, just like Jesus.

Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-9 Mat 19:17-19 Mark 7:7-13 or the apostles 1 Cor 7:19 1 John 5:3 Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14-15

You erroneously transfer the 10 commandments from the old covenant of law into the new covenant so it's not really new according to you. Now since the old covenant has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made obsolete the old covenant to put into place the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13)

The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law. (Romans 13:8-10) Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments, which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15

2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21

3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7

4. Keep the sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17

5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2

6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15

7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10

10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

Believers "keep" (Greek word - "tereo") guard, observe, watch over His commandments in the New Testament for the body of Christ (1 John 2:3; 1 John 3:21-24) which does not mean flawlessly obey the 10 commandments under the old covenant of law. You erroneously transfer the 10 commandments from the old covenant of law for Israel and repackage them under the new covenant for the body of Christ. You missed the point that Paul made in 2 Corinthians 3:6-9.

You are missing a lot of "ands" in the texts you provided.

I can see the truth that I shared with you in post #455 just went right over your head. You are missing the truth. Period. Salvation is by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) and is not by grace plus law, faith plus works. (Galatians 1:6-9)

Be sure to go back and thoroughly read this article below:

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast (nonsda.org)

The SDA church is leading you astray.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I see that you completely ignored 2 Corinthians 3:6-9 and Ephesians 2:15 in light of Colossians 2:14-17. You seem determined to remain on the old covenant plantation of law and cannot seem to make the transition into the new covenant. You remind me of the Israelites in Romans 10:1-4.

Have you ever broken the 10 commandments? Of course, you have. Everyone has. (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8-10) Except for Jesus. (2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 2:22) Otherwise, you would be without sin, just like Jesus.

You erroneously transfer the 10 commandments from the old covenant of law into the new covenant so it's not really new according to you. Now since the old covenant has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made obsolete the old covenant to put into place the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13)

The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law. (Romans 13:8-10) Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments, which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15

2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21

3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7

4. Keep the sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17

5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2

6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15

7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10

10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

Believers "keep" (Greek word - "tereo") guard, observe, watch over His commandments in the New Testament for the body of Christ (1 John 2:3; 1 John 3:21-24) which does not mean flawlessly obey the 10 commandments under the old covenant of law. You erroneously transfer the 10 commandments from the old covenant of law for Israel and repackage them under the new covenant for the body of Christ. You missed the point that Paul made in 2 Corinthians 3:6-9.

I can see the truth that I shared with you in post #455 just went right over your head. You are missing the truth. Period. Salvation is by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) and is not by grace plus law, faith plus works. (Galatians 1:6-9)

Be sure to go back and thoroughly read this article below:

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast (nonsda.org)

The SDA church is leading you astray.

So your contention is that 9 of the Ten Commandments was transferred over into the New Covenant but the one commandment God said to Remember, that is holy and blessed by God, is the one commandment we can forget because man says so.

No man has authority to change any of the commandments Deut 4:2 Mat 5:18-30 and once God blesses something like He did with the seventh day Sabbath, man cannot reverse. Num 23:20

In all of scripture there is nothing that says we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment, this saith the Lord. The Sabbath is all throughout the New Covenant still kept faithfully by God's people. Luke 23:56, Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44

God kept the Sabbath, Jesus kept the Sabbath, the apostles kept the Sabbath His faithful followers kept the Sabbath- God said Remember- man says forget. My faith is in His every Word and all gets sorted out soon enough.

 

[mailmandan]

So your contention is that 9 of the Ten Commandments was transferred over into the New Covenant but the one commandment God said to Remember, that is holy and blessed by God, is the one commandment we can forget because man says so.

9 of the 10 commandments were reiterated and are now in our hearts and not transferred still attached to the old covenant of law. Who was God addressing in Exodus 20? The Israelites under the old covenant or the body of Christ under the new covenant? Also see (Exodus 31:13-17; Deuteronomy 5:15)

No man has authority to change any of the commandments Deut 4:2 Mat 5:18-30 and once God blesses something like He did with the seventh day Sabbath, man cannot reverse. Num 23:20

See 2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Colossians 2:16-17 and Hebrews 8:13. You are still stuck on the old covenant plantation of law.

In all of scripture there is nothing that says we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment, this saith the Lord. The Sabbath is all throughout the New Covenant still kept faithfully by God's people. Luke 23:56, Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44

Your eisegesis here doesn't change what Paul stated in 2 Corinthians 3:6-9 and Colossians 2:16-17.

God kept the Sabbath, Jesus kept the Sabbath, the apostles kept the Sabbath His faithful followers kept the Sabbath- God said Remember- man says forget. My faith is in His every Word and all gets sorted out soon enough.

Your faith is in law keeping and in your eisegesis. The Judaizers were also obsessed with the sabbath.

This site would be beneficial for you.

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Dangers of Seventh-day Adventism (nonsda.org)

 

[SabbathBlessing]

9 of the 10 commandments were reiterated and are now in our hearts and not transferred still attached to the old covenant of law. Who was God addressing in Exodus 20? The Israelites under the old covenant or the body of Christ under the new covenant? Also see (Exodus 31:13-17; Deuteronomy 5:15)

See 2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Colossians 2:16-17 and Hebrews 8:13. You are still stuck on the old covenant plantation of law.

Your eisegesis here doesn't change what Paul stated in 2 Corinthians 3:6-9 and Colossians 2:16-17.

Your faith is in law keeping and in your eisegesis. The Judaizers were also obsessed with the sabbath.

This site would be beneficial for you.

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Dangers of Seventh-day Adventism (nonsda.org)

You would need a thus saith the Lord to reverse God's blessing. All you quoted is out of context verses by Paul that we even have a warning about that many twist his words to there own destruction. 2 Peter 3:16

No one is above God, no one can reverse His commandment Deut 4:2 Mat 5:18-30 or blessing Num 23:20 and there is no thus saith the Lord you provided stating otherwise.

All we have is the Words of Jesus saying the Sabbath will be kept before His salvation is to come and His righteousness revealed

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.

6.“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

And the Sabbath not ending ever for God's faithful thus saith the Lord.

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

So your argument about God's holy Sabbath day that is a commandment, is with a much greater Authority than I.

All gets sorted out soon enough. It doesn't matter what I think or you think, it is God's will that will prevail. Our salvation is through faith and how do we profess faith, but not faith to live by His every Word.

 

[mailmandan]

You would need a thus saith the Lord to reverse God's blessing. All you quoted is out of context verses by Paul that we even have a warning about that many twist his words to there own destruction. 2 Peter 3:16

No one is above God, no one can reverse His commandment Deut 4:2 Mat 5:18-30 or blessing Num 23:20 and there is no thus saith the Lord you provided stating otherwise.

All we have is the Words of Jesus saying the Sabbath will be kept before His salvation is to come and His righteousness revealed

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.

6.“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

And the Sabbath not ending ever for God's faithful thus saith the Lord.

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

So your argument about God's holy Sabbath day that is a commandment, is with a much greater Authority than I.

All gets sorted out soon enough. It doesn't matter what I think or you think, it is God's will that will prevail. Our salvation is through faith and how do we profess faith, but not faith to live by His every Word.

You remain confused about the true meaning of the sabbath and the transition from the old covenant into the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Colossians 2:16-17; Hebrews 8:13) You still remain on the old covenant plantation of law.

I already thoroughly covered Isaiah 66:23 with you in post #451 from the link below. Your eisegesis fails. Twisted words that result in destruction culminate in a perverted gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/sunday-worship.212861/page-23#post-5204792

 

[SabbathBlessing]

You remain confused about the true meaning of the sabbath and the transition from the old covenant into the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Colossians 2:16-17; Hebrews 8:13) You still remain on the old covenant plantation of law.

I already thoroughly covered Isaiah 66:23 with you in post #451 from the link below. Your eisegesis fails. Twisted words that result in destruction culminate in a perverted gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/sunday-worship.212861/page-23#post-5204792

The confusion is not on my part. Jesus said not to break the least of the commandments, and not one jot or tittle can be changed. Mat 5:18-30 as no man is above God to change something He personally wrote and personally spoke and blessed. Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 Num 23:20

All gets sorted out soon enough.

Take care.

 

[notmyown]

The confusion is not on my part. Jesus said not to break the least of the commandments, and not one jot or tittle can be changed. Mat 5:18-30 as no man is above God to change something He personally wrote and personally spoke and blessed. Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 Num 23:20

All gets sorted out soon enough.

Take care.

do you bring two turtledoves to the priest after your menses?

 

[SabbathBlessing]

God speaking here...

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

Isa 58:13 “If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight
and the Lord’s holy day honorable,
and if you honor it by not going your own way
and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,
14 then you will find your joy in the Lord,
and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land
and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

Thats some big shoes one would have to fill to change something out of the mouth of God

Jesus told us to live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God, Mat 4:4 not to change it, because we are not God. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Heb 13:8

 

[SabbathBlessing]

do you bring two turtledoves to the priest after your menses?

I would suggest you read Hebrews 7, Hebrews 9, Hebrews 10 which covers the changes in the New Covenant.

What changed is how we go about the forgiveness of sin, not that we are free to sin, which is breaking God's holy law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7

Sin has not changed, but instead of sacrificing animals for breaking God's law we can go directly to Jesus when we confess 1 John 1:9, which means one is sorry and wants a change in direction.

 

[mailmandan]

The confusion is not on my part. Jesus said not to break the least of the commandments, and not one jot or tittle can be changed. Mat 5:18-30 as no man is above God to change something He personally wrote and personally spoke and blessed. Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16 Num 23:20

All gets sorted out soon enough.

Take care.

The confusion is on your part. Who was Jesus addressing and what is the context? According to your logic, you remain under the law and will be judged by the law. Good luck with that! (Galatians 2:16)

You still don't understand the change from the old covenant to the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Colossians 2:14-17; Hebrews 8:13)

So, what are you placing your faith in for salvation? Your best efforts to obey the 10 commandments? (with a heavy emphasis on sabbath keeping) or in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ? (Roman's 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4)

 

[mailmandan]

God speaking here...

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

Isa 58:13 “If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
and from doing as you please on my holy day,
if you call the Sabbath a delight
and the Lord’s holy day honorable,
and if you honor it by not going your own way
and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,
14 then you will find your joy in the Lord,
and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land
and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

Thats some big shoes one would have to fill to change something out of the mouth of God

Jesus told us to live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God, Mat 4:4 not to change it, because we are not God. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Heb 13:8

According to your flawed logic, nothing has changed and the new covenant is not really new. It's just the old covenant repackaged. Please be sure to read through those articles on this website below:

https://nonsda.org/study12.shtml

It sounds to me like you are thoroughly indoctrinated into SDA theology.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

According to your flawed logic, nothing has changed and the new covenant is not really new. It's just the old covenant repackaged. Please be sure to read through those articles on this website below:

https://nonsda.org/study12.shtml

It sounds to me like you are thoroughly indoctrinated into SDA theology.

I have only quoted scripture and it was not Ellen who wrote and spoke God's 4th commandment, but it was God Himself who did that. Exo 31:18 Expo 32:16

Thanks for proving the scriptures, guess we need to decide which side of the war we are on. With God or by default against. Mat 12:30

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The more we are persecuted for upholding God's commandments, the more we know we are on the right track as scripture reveals.

The Sabbath is a commandment of God written and spoken personally by God that Jesus said we are to live by every Word. Mat 4:4

 

[Nehemiah6]

Thats between me and God as none of us will be judged on a sliding scale or based on what others do or don't do

Since you are promoting the Torah you need to back that up. Otherwise quit promoting it as applicable to Christians.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Since you are promoting the Torah you need to back that up. Otherwise quit promoting it as applicable to Christians.

Sure...

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Jesus said:

19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.


Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.


And we see how it plays out from one of the lasr verses in the bible before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of the commandments 1 John 2:4

All judges have the law to judge by and God is no different. God personally wrote and personally spoke His holy law that is in His heavenly temple Rev 11:19 under His mercy seat where justice and mercy will prevail. Right in the Ten God shows who He has mercy to;

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Our salvation is from sin, not in sin Mat 1:21 through Jesus we can obey God and keep His commandments John 14:15-18

 

[Nehemiah6]

Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments...

Which of the least commandments have you not broken? Be honest.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Which of the least commandments have you not broken? Be honest.

I have never once claimed I am not without sin. We all have sinned, but I believe in the promises of scripture that through the power of Jesus Christ He has more power to keep us from sinning than the devil does to keep us in sin. John 14:15-18 If we slip and fall along the way, we have Jesus as our High Priest and instead of sacrificing an animal when we sin, we can go directly to Jesus when we repent and confess (which means sorry heart and a change in direction) He can cleanse us from all unrighteousness 1 John 1:9 but what we are not saved in is sin, we are saved from sin Mat 1:21

Need to run for now. God bless!

 

[Nehemiah6]

I have never once claimed I am not without sin.

That is not the issue. You have to tell us that you observe the Law of Moses perfectly. since you are the one promoting it.

Otherwise you should quite promoting what is not for the Church. The problem is that you really do not understand the difference between the Old and New Covenants. And as long as you keep promoting the 7th day Sabbath as meant for Christians, you will not really understand.