I'll read posts directed to me for the time being if I am able. I can't handle external links, especially time-consuming videos. I haven't been able to keep up with the thread with the holidays as it is.
When you get a chance after the holidays. Watch the video.
God’s Word says His words are in a book (singular) (See:
Deuteronomy 17:18,
Joshua 1:8,
Isaiah 34:16,
Jeremiah 30:2,
Job 19:23-24,
Luke 4:20,
Hebrews 10:7). In fact, not only are His words in a book but we are told to seek out this book and read from it (
Isaiah 34:16). Furthermore,
Isaiah 34:16 is a prophecy of the “End Times.”This prophecy talks about how we would have the Bible (i.e., the Book of the LORD) during the Tribulation period mentioned in Revelation. Seeing we are currently living in the last days and we are drawing closer to the Tribulation period by each passing day, logic dictates that we would be able to hold in our hands the very “Book of the LORD” today (See again Brandon Peterson’s video
here to learn more). In other words, God’s words are not in thousands of manuscript copies of the original languages, but they are in a book, as Scripture says.
You said:
It is not the focus of this thread, but I disagree with you about speaking in tongues. I see nothing in scripture that indicates that the gift of tongues has ceased at this time. Paul will reach a stage like adulthood compared to his former stage with the rest of those who are in Christ at the resurrection.
See my write up
here on why I believe the gift of tongues most likely have ceased.
Are you Charismatic or Pentecostal?
In either case, I don’t want to get side tracked with discussing Cessationism.
I only brought it up as a brief point because it could be yet another possibility in defending our faith in a perfect Word.
You said:
Double meaning in the 'men of other tongues and other lips' passage? That seems feasi le, or double application, that it applies to both speaking in tongues supernaturally and mundane use of foreign language. But it says tongues, not tongue.
Isaiah 28:11 uses the English word “tongue” in the KJB. In 1 Corinthians 14:21, it refers to tongues.
Like “man” can refer to all people (both men and women - Matthew 4:4), the word “tongue” could potentially be either singular or plural in it’s use. This has to be the case because Isaiah 28:11 is singular and 1 Corinthians 14:21 is plural in referring to tongues. Yet, we know the two verses tie together. Granted, I am sure you can just chock this up to another error in the KJB, but you would only be having a lack of faith again in what God’s Word says.
You said:
As far as that referring to the KJV? That seems extremely silly to me.
Yeah. What you believe is silly to me. I actually think your belief runs contrary to sound logic, and the Bible. Proponents of Textual Criticism or those who advocate for relying solely on the original texts (which do not exist) cannot identify any single Bible as the unequivocal, inerrant, and inspired word of God, as they don't believe such a book exists. They believe in a “phantom Bible” or a Bible that only exists in their own mind. While Textual Critics engage in rigorous scholarship, and analysis, their pursuit in reconstructing the nonexistent original manuscripts of the Bible represents more of a philosophical pursuit rather than a tangible reality, giving rise to the paradox of competing "phantom Bibles" that only exist in the minds of these scholars, each unique and shaped by their own distinct perspectives that differ from one another. In other words, “…every man did that which was right in his own eyes.” (Judges 21:25). In contrast, King James Bible believers can claim to hold in their hands the very perfect, inerrant, inspired Word of God. In other words, they can point to an actual book and say these are the very words of the LORD.
You said:
Again, the manuscript lines the KJV is translated from still exist. Why would the inspiration go off of the Bible, leaving it uninspired, and go onto a translation of the Bible, making it inspired. That kind of theory is just plain foolish.
Faith. If you could perfectly trace the line of manuscripts all the way back to the apostles perfectly, it would eliminate faith in God’s Word in the doctrine’s purity and preservation as taught within His own Word. Your belief then would not exist or it would be a lot smaller group than it is today. Remember, Hebrews 11:1? Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.
You said:
I see no reason that God preserving His word precludes the idea that we might need some variations in the text, and with study, scholarship, and the leadership of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said…. WORDS. Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my
words will not pass away is what Jesus said.
I have already demonstrated that words are different between the KJB and the Modern Bibles in the fact that they teach false doctrines.
In Modern Bibles, there are missing words of Jesus.
Removal of the words “You know not what spirit you-all are of.” (
Luke 9:55).
Removal of the words “For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save
them.” (Luke 9:56).
The words in Acts 9:5 that say, “it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks” is removed.
The words on fasting (in context to casting out persistent demons) in Matthew 17:21 and Mark 9:29 are removed.
The words of Jesus are potentially eliminated by the footnote that casts doubt on Mark 6:9-20 in Modern Translations.
The words of Jesus are potentially erased by the footnote that casts doubt on John 7:53 through John 8:11.
There are umlauts (double dots) next to 1 John 5:7 in the Vaticanus manuscript.
I provided a screen capture of this within the thread. This clearly means there was a variant that existed. So the Vaticanus is not the oldest and best that would have proceeded the readings in the Textus Receptus.
Modern Bibles also make Jesus appear to sin, as well. So not sure why you think your position is better.