And yet Five Point Calvinism deviates from the true Gospel. The true Gospel says that (1) God offers salvation to all of mankind and (2) Christ died for the sins of the whole world. Calvinism rejects these Gospel truths.
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Calvin himself, is not the originator for most of what he taught and is credited for. Much of his teaching are an expansion of what was expressed in the Canons of Dort which was written to appose the teaching of Jacob Arminius. However, like most good teachers, he stood on the shoulders of men who proceeded him.
Arminians taught:
Arminians taught:
- Election based on foreseen faith
- Universal Atonement
- Partial Depravity
- Resistible Grace
- Possibility of a lapse from Grace
But the doctrine of OSAS teaches that all men except Christians have free choice.
It doesn't. And no one has unlimited freewill. God has sovereignly made many, many choices for everyone.
I'm not sure you worded that as you intended, or else I'm not sure what you meant. Men that are Christians have made the free choice.
All mankind is incomplete and broken when they enter this world.
I asked you a couple of questions on another thread that you didn't answer. I don't know if you didn't see them or just didn't care to reply. But I am interested in your answers if you are so inclined.
What is eternal life and when does someone receive it?
Everlasting living is what Enoch had. It is when you don't taste of death. Eternal life is also in the afterlife, but it isn't the same thing as the afterlife.
[John 17:3 KJV] 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Look at the previous also.
[John 17:2 KJV] 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Everlasting life is also a synonym for Enochian translation. Something big and quiet happened. Jesus determined this in the past.
Basically Everlasting Thriveitude.
Eternal life is knowing God and Christ. This knowing isn't fact based. Rather, it is knowing experientually. In other words, it isn't simply knowing something to be true of God. But that you experience God in that truth. For example, Psalm 16:11 tells us that in God's presence there is fulness of joy. Knowing this is true is simply knowing this as a fact. But if you were actually in God's presence and He conveyed His joy to you, you would be experiencing eternal life.
All Christians should be experiencing such things regularly. So important were such experiences to Paul, he was willing to give up everything else...I count all things loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord...
If that were true, we would not see Gods discipline. We would not see rewards or lack of rewards. Inheritance or lack of inheritance. Reign or lack of reign. Shame or lack of shame at the Bema seat. Well pleasing to the Father or saved as if through fire......
Loss of salvation teaches that God doesn't have His free choice.
Heb 7:25~~New American Standard Bible
Therefore He is also able to save forever those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
I stop at that verse sometimes and just marvel. That is one BIG and HEFTY statement. Give up everything,everything. I would like to say that I could, but I am pretty sure I would buckle if push came to shove! I pray to get to that level someday.
You'll get there. We often see others in the Bible as different from ourselves, but they really aren't. They had to learn to put on Christ the same way we do. Long before Abraham lifted his knife to sacrifice Isaac, he lied about Sarah being his wife.
I reread my post. I made no accusations. Your post# 1389 is most certainly a false dichotomy. Is it not?
[Luke 9:27 KJV] 27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
[John 8:52 KJV] 52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
But he did say it.
What did I mean?
The doctrine of OSAS acknowledges that the unbeliever can choose to continue in unbelief and go to an eternal hell. Or, the unbeliever can choose to believe in Jesus Christ and go to heaven for all eternity.
But OSAS teaches that once a person has at a point in time believed in Jesus Christ, then that person loses their choice to reject Jesus. Thus the true believer in Jesus Christ has no option to go to hell for all of eternity. Even if this person swears and yells and screams at God and says he does not want to be in heaven with an all-loving Father: this person has no choice or option to back out of what happened at his new birth - he is going to heaven whether he wants to or not.
In contrast, I believe that both the unbeliever and the believer have free choice to believe or to not believe in Jesus.
The kingdom of God was present in the first century. Many people during that time and since have seen it during their lifetimes. The kingdom of God exists wherever people submit to the rule of God.
Tasting death is different from dying. Death no longer has its sting. It doesn't mean people don't die. Abraham did as God instructed and still died. What he didn't experience was the wrath of God.
This is correct.
And this is the point. When a person truly becomes born again (from above), having become a new creature (creation), they belong to God. He owns us, bought and paid for with the precious blood of Jesus. A true child of God cannot be un-born again, and he certainly cannot make any decisions about that with which he no longer has rights. He cannot sell himself back to the devil (or sin, or however you want to say it) because he doesn't own himself anymore. God does. Only God could, but He will not because He paid such a high price, and now that He owns the purchased possession, He will keep it and protect it forever. The decision to trust Christ is a one-time only decision, and if truly heart-felt (sincere, genuine), then it is forever.
Like I said before, the child of God has already made the decision (which once made, cannot be un-done).
There must be a reason that men are analogized? (metphoritized? 
) as fish... i.e. I will make you a fisher of men.
Fish can refuse the lure at any time, and maybe even an unlimited number of times but, once they bite, and the fisherman sets the hook (which is within milliseconds if not simultaneously to the fish biting), the fish is caught and thrown into the fish bucket bin thingy, where it is secured and remains, no matter how much it flips and flops, until the fisherman cleans it up and has it for dinner....
) as fish... i.e. I will make you a fisher of men.Fish can refuse the lure at any time, and maybe even an unlimited number of times but, once they bite, and the fisherman sets the hook (which is within milliseconds if not simultaneously to the fish biting), the fish is caught and thrown into the fish bucket bin thingy, where it is secured and remains, no matter how much it flips and flops, until the fisherman cleans it up and has it for dinner....