will you go to hell.. no.
God said you have eternal life. and he said he would never let you go.
Sin can not cause us to lose salvation.
The Security Of The Believer
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God said you have eternal life. and he said he would never let you go.
Sin can not cause us to lose salvation.
What a miserable existence that would be! No assurance that my salvation would not be snatched away.
Even though chosen we are not perfected, we are still fallen creatures. However, we have comfort in knowing that our salvation is secure in His loving arms.
First, God is in control of life and death. So there are no accidents. God knows the day of your death and He is in control ultimately. Second, coveting is a desire to have something of your neighbors and it does not mean you cannot desire certain things if you see them. For example: If Bob has a ham sandwich, and you would like to have one like his, it is not wrong to go and get one because you seen his. It would be wrong if you wanted only Bob’s ham sandwich and not another one. Coveting is desiring something that only that person has. Three, a Christian generally should not want to seek out a flashy vehicle that is highly admired by others (i.e., an object that is known for loving the world), and is known for speeding (i.e., breaking the Law). 1 Timothy 6:10 says we are not to covet after being rich or having lots of money (i.e., the love of money). Chasing after riches is not for the Christian life and so one would be coveting (desiring) something that God does not desire for us. 1 Timothy 6 warns us not to even fellowship with other believers who are like a Joel Olsteen (i.e., a prosperity believer).
In any event, to get to the point of your story: If this professing believer truly committed the sin of coveting in God’s eyes, and they died without having confessed of that sin, then they would be cast into outer darkness (being reserved for the Judgment and the Lake of Fire). Why? There could be several reasons. One potential reason is that they had an evil heart and they preferred sinful things rather than the things of God. Meaning, they are double minded. Another reason is that this person rejected the Scriptures teaching that you have to confess and forsake sin in order to have mercy (Proverbs 28:13). They don’t really believe the Bible’s teaching on Conditional Salvation. So naturally they will turn God’s grace into a license for immorality on some level teaching you can sin and then die and be saved by His grace (i.e., a justification to sin). Jude 1:4 warns against those who turn His grace into a license for immorality. The KJB says lasciviousness. The Parable of the Prodigal Son is proof you can go from a saved state, to a lost state, and back again to a saved state. In the Parable, when the prodigal son comes home seeking forgiveness of his sins with his father, the father says that he was “dead” and he is “alive AGAIN.” Seeing the son did not die physically, the parable is speaking in spiritual terms. The son died spiritually when he was living it up with prostitutes, and he became alive AGAIN spiritually when he came back home and sought forgiveness with his father. This is a parallel of how we are to seek forgiveness with our EVERLASTING father named Jesus Christ. Jesus even warned against how looking upon a woman in lust can cause our whole body to be cast bodily into hellfire (Matthew 5:28-30). Where was Unconditional Eternal Security in that situation? There wasn’t any because it is a false doctrine. Only Conditional Eternal Security is true. We are only eternally secure if we abide by the conditions God gives us in His Word.
What do you think was going through the minds of those believers who did wonderful works in Christ’s name when they are told by Jesus to depart from Him because they worked iniquity (sin)?
See Matthew 7:22-23, and then read Matthew 7:26-27.
See Matthew 7:22-23, and then read Matthew 7:26-27.
I have no idea what you are mumbling on and on about.
I guess it means that (1)you are a Christian and (2)you feel that you no longer sin. If so, then you should never have a need to go back to the Lord again and confess your weakness, beg for forgiveness, and pray that you be strengthened. You have been perfected in this life.
Good Luck!
Here is the problem with your belief. You want me to hold to the viewpoint that God misleads us to believe that doing good works as a part of our salvation in various verses is not true like in he Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30), John 15:6, Luke 10:25-37, Galatians 6:8-9, Titus 1:16, and 1 Timothy 5:8. You want me to believe that doing good works to enter the Kingdom (as these verses teach) will condemn me after I am initially saved by God’s grace (Ephesians 2:8-9) (Titus 3:5). You want me to believe that sin will not condemn my soul before God as the alternative to doing good despite all the warnings against how sin can destroy our souls in the afterlife (Matthew 5:28-30) (Matthew 6:15) (Matthew 12:37) (Matthew 25:31-46) (Luke 9:62) (Galatians 5:19-21) (Revelation 21:8). This is why your belief is backwards to what the Scriptures even say. You have to ignore all of these things within your Bible in order to make your belief work.
Try reading 1 Peter 4:1-2, Galatians 5:24, and 2 Corinthians 7:1 in the King James Bible sometime.
The serpent desired Eve to break God’s command and he said she would not die. Adam also disobeyed God‘s command. God said that Adam would die in the day he ate of the wrong tree. Yet, Adam did not die physically. So this means he died spiritually. Read Genesis 2-3. So the point here is that the devil has not changed his tactics. He is still promoting the idea that you can sin and still be saved and Modern Day Christianity has bought into this lie by the serpent back in the garden. That’s what you fail to understand. You are not actually reading and believing the Bible, but you are only believing what OSAS teachers say. You are only reading or studying the Bible through the OSAS lens.
Hello Everlasting-Grace, I don't think anyone knows what the whole law is. Many stumble from sin, blessings
I don't understand why so many people always want to identify the teaching of "The Security of the Believer" with Reformed Theology when the teaching predates it by about 1500 years.
I have to admit I'm a little overwhelmed. I had computer problems a couple of weeks ago and had to re-install OS and all which took several days; then my daughter came home from college for a week. Then when log back in, WOW!! I think I expected to have to read 30 (or maybe even 60) posts to catch up, but not nearly 30 PAGES!!
I sometimes with I had all the time some of you have.
Again, WOW!!!
I sometimes with I had all the time some of you have.
Again, WOW!!!
In Reformed theology, the belief in the eternal security of believers is grounded in the assurance provided by God's promises and the sealing of the Holy Spirit. While some individuals in the early church may have held similar views, the emphasis in the Reformed tradition is on biblical doctrine rather than historical interpretations.
Jesus Himself taught it in the first century, as well as the apostles -- and that's bible doctrine.
John 3:16, 36; 5:24; 6:29, 37; 11:25-26; Romans 6:23; 8:1; 10:9-10, 13; Ephesians 1:7-14; 2:8-10; 4:30; Hebrews 9:12
Do you know if John Calvin taught OSAS under the point Perseverance of the Saints?
I don't equate the Biblical doctrine of the eternal security of the believer with Calvinism because Calvinism takes away the God given free will of the individual to make the decision for themselves (even if they go through the motions of belief in a God Who has really made the decision for them). The Biblical teaching of the eternal security of the believer allows "whosoever will may come".
And no offense intended, but it really doesn't make a difference what Calvin taught if it doesn't agree with what Jesus and the Apostles taught almost 1500 years prior it is NOT the teachings of Jesus Christ.
He did indeed, however that is not the biblical view of spiritual restoration/salvation.