The Error of KJV-Onlyism
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As a matter of fact, the righteousness of God was not available until after the cross. Before that faith came, the Jews were under the law.
The law pointed them to the faith of Jesus (God's righteousness), but they missed it. They continue to earn their own righteousness through the law.
Galatians 3
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
The law pointed them to the faith of Jesus (God's righteousness), but they missed it. They continue to earn their own righteousness through the law.
Galatians 3
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Eight pages and... at 62y old.. this gets so silly. There is no perfect translation none. I have to have different Hebrew/Greek translations because not all agree and so many of you know this yet you say nothing. So it would seem some are only looking at one Hebrew/Greek original translation as the one and only.
Now were getting lost when it comes to faith.. pass
Now were getting lost when it comes to faith.. pass
Some other verses demonstrate your error.
Romans 3:3 "For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?"
Does God "have faith"? If so, in what? There is none greater than Him. This can't mean "the faith that God exercises".
Philippians 1:27 "Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;"
Only a person can exercise faith; a thing cannot, so this can't mean "the faith that the gospel exercised".
Revelation 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
Who "are they that keep... the faith of Jesus"? Surely not Christians? Surely the entire edifice of Christianity does not rest on mere wavering Christians to "keep the faith of Jesus"?
Well, that's what it says. So it can't mean "the faith that Jesus exercised".
You have your three witnesses. It's time that you do some rethinking.
Romans 3:3 "For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?"
Does God "have faith"? If so, in what? There is none greater than Him. This can't mean "the faith that God exercises".
Philippians 1:27 "Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;"
Only a person can exercise faith; a thing cannot, so this can't mean "the faith that the gospel exercised".
Revelation 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
Who "are they that keep... the faith of Jesus"? Surely not Christians? Surely the entire edifice of Christianity does not rest on mere wavering Christians to "keep the faith of Jesus"?
Well, that's what it says. So it can't mean "the faith that Jesus exercised".
You have your three witnesses. It's time that you do some rethinking.
The 'currupt' versions produce "little baby Christians" who are not able to handle the 'meat of the Word'. Neither do they have a desire for it - they are perfectly happy with the 'milk of the Word'.
1 Corinthians 3:
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Hebrews 5:
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Some of the posts in this thread are a definite obvious blatent explicit unambiguous unrestrained show of evidence of the same.
Upon reading these posts - if you do not have an immediate and full understanding of the significance and importance of what is being said here - then, you are absolutely most definitely unmistakably a 'babe' in Christ or not in Christ at all.
The 'mature' understand. The 'babes' do not.
And, the churches are full of "little baby Christians" who are all-nice-and-comfy with their bottle and blanket - who have never even "licked a steak much less eaten one" (so-to-speak) - who have never matured enough to "venture out" into the great depths of the word of God.
So sad...
It is okay to speak of salvation - for it is of supreme importance; however - what about doctrine? what about discipleship? what about:
2 Peter 3:
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
These things are important, too! And, it is vitally important for a Christian to have the "full-and-complete" word of God for best-possible-growth.
Can He reveal biblical Christian doctrine through the Koran?
This is one of the most shameful lies of Satan to ever deceive the masses!
Do you realize that the Holy Spirit cannot use a lie to teach you the truth? Or, admonish you? Or, reprove you?
The Holy Spirit cannot tell a lie; therefore, He cannot use currupt bible passages to teach you truth. So, if your bible has currupt passages in it, the Holy Spirit cannot use those passages to teach you truth.
Do you not know this?
If your bible translation does not contain the "full-and-complete" word of God --- you are missing some of it! And, not only that - but, the Holy Spirit cannot teach you [certain things] which have been currupted in the text by a faulty translation.
So -
2 Timothy 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
But, if you have little pieces of it missing or currupted here-and-there throughout the text - what have you got?
What you have is a watered-down truth-and-error-mixture hit-and-miss unreliable bible text.
And, if you are happy with that - something is seriously wrong somewhere!
Those of you who are trying to 'pin' [the least little bit of] error on the KJV - I have a question for you...
Let us imagine that the complete total amount of error in the KJV (all only 'minor' errors) is enough to fill a bottle cap.
If your bible was translated from the Westcott-Hort manuscripts (including a lot of 'major' errors), then the complete total amount of error would fill a swimming pool.
Which would you rather have?
In a nutshell, this is the 'argument' of 'KJVO'. It is the most accurate-and-true English translation - period. It has passed the test of time. And, no one in their right mind would choose another bible version over the KJV if they are truly interested in 'correctness-of-truth' over 'easy-to-read' or anything else.
And, I am not going to say there cannot be any exceptions - however - what you will find if you look carefully - is that 'KJVO' folks are the 'highly most likely' to [be able to] handle the 'meat' of the Word - whereas, most of the folks who criticize the KJV are the 'highly most likely' to not be willing to 'chew' anything more "hearty" than jello... ('steak' is not even on their menu)
But - that is okay...
1 Peter 2:
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
One day you will [hopefully] learn to have a desire for the 'deeper' things of God.
And then - you will discover and understand that - the whole time you were 'reacting' to the mere suggestion that the KJV was the best English Bible - Satan was standing next to you with his cattle prod - poking you with it and saying "Don't listen to that." all-the-while deceiving you into believing that how much a bible was currupted "really didn't matter"...
1 Corinthians 3:
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Hebrews 5:
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Some of the posts in this thread are a definite obvious blatent explicit unambiguous unrestrained show of evidence of the same.
Upon reading these posts - if you do not have an immediate and full understanding of the significance and importance of what is being said here - then, you are absolutely most definitely unmistakably a 'babe' in Christ or not in Christ at all.
The 'mature' understand. The 'babes' do not.
And, the churches are full of "little baby Christians" who are all-nice-and-comfy with their bottle and blanket - who have never even "licked a steak much less eaten one" (so-to-speak) - who have never matured enough to "venture out" into the great depths of the word of God.
So sad...
It is okay to speak of salvation - for it is of supreme importance; however - what about doctrine? what about discipleship? what about:
2 Peter 3:
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
These things are important, too! And, it is vitally important for a Christian to have the "full-and-complete" word of God for best-possible-growth.
Can He reveal biblical Christian doctrine through the Koran?
This is one of the most shameful lies of Satan to ever deceive the masses!
Do you realize that the Holy Spirit cannot use a lie to teach you the truth? Or, admonish you? Or, reprove you?
The Holy Spirit cannot tell a lie; therefore, He cannot use currupt bible passages to teach you truth. So, if your bible has currupt passages in it, the Holy Spirit cannot use those passages to teach you truth.
Do you not know this?
If your bible translation does not contain the "full-and-complete" word of God --- you are missing some of it! And, not only that - but, the Holy Spirit cannot teach you [certain things] which have been currupted in the text by a faulty translation.
So -
2 Timothy 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
But, if you have little pieces of it missing or currupted here-and-there throughout the text - what have you got?
What you have is a watered-down truth-and-error-mixture hit-and-miss unreliable bible text.
And, if you are happy with that - something is seriously wrong somewhere!
Those of you who are trying to 'pin' [the least little bit of] error on the KJV - I have a question for you...
Let us imagine that the complete total amount of error in the KJV (all only 'minor' errors) is enough to fill a bottle cap.
If your bible was translated from the Westcott-Hort manuscripts (including a lot of 'major' errors), then the complete total amount of error would fill a swimming pool.
Which would you rather have?
In a nutshell, this is the 'argument' of 'KJVO'. It is the most accurate-and-true English translation - period. It has passed the test of time. And, no one in their right mind would choose another bible version over the KJV if they are truly interested in 'correctness-of-truth' over 'easy-to-read' or anything else.
And, I am not going to say there cannot be any exceptions - however - what you will find if you look carefully - is that 'KJVO' folks are the 'highly most likely' to [be able to] handle the 'meat' of the Word - whereas, most of the folks who criticize the KJV are the 'highly most likely' to not be willing to 'chew' anything more "hearty" than jello... ('steak' is not even on their menu)
But - that is okay...
1 Peter 2:
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
One day you will [hopefully] learn to have a desire for the 'deeper' things of God.
And then - you will discover and understand that - the whole time you were 'reacting' to the mere suggestion that the KJV was the best English Bible - Satan was standing next to you with his cattle prod - poking you with it and saying "Don't listen to that." all-the-while deceiving you into believing that how much a bible was currupted "really didn't matter"...
In like manner, a person following the Koran can have experiences that alter their behavior.
Last I checked, nothing is impossible with God. But God could still use the Koran itself to bring someone to faith. He could use inconsistencies or any number of things. Think big.
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This is equated to the testimony of Jesus. The faith of Jesus Christ is the testimony of Jesus Christ...Christ was obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. That's saving faith.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Amen, and thanks for clarifying.
So what obedience are you referring to here? Since nobody keeps the law perfectly, what are we obeying? Just trying to get more clarity on whether or not you think if people sin, they lose salvation. My apologies for asking you. Some do hold to that position even though when pressed they will admit that they too still sin since they are not perfect.
So what obedience are you referring to here? Since nobody keeps the law perfectly, what are we obeying? Just trying to get more clarity on whether or not you think if people sin, they lose salvation. My apologies for asking you. Some do hold to that position even though when pressed they will admit that they too still sin since they are not perfect.
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That's circular. Jesus didn't have faith in Himself, and He didn't need His own testimony. People, believers, hold the testimony of Jesus Christ. People, believers, have faith that Jesus' sacrificial death is sufficient. Jesus didn't need to have faith in anything or anyone. As you said, Christ is God. In whom then does He have faith?
Again, you're saying it, but you aren't seeing it.
You have attempted but failed to sidestep two of the three verses, and have done nothing about the third.
Step up.
Again, you're saying it, but you aren't seeing it.
You have attempted but failed to sidestep two of the three verses, and have done nothing about the third.
Step up.
The 'currupt' versions produce "little baby Christians" who are not able to handle the 'meat of the Word'. Neither do they have a desire for it - they are perfectly happy with the 'milk of the Word'.
1 Corinthians 3:
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Hebrews 5:
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Some of the posts in this thread are a definite obvious blatent explicit unambiguous unrestrained show of evidence of the same.
Upon reading these posts - if you do not have an immediate and full understanding of the significance and importance of what is being said here - then, you are absolutely most definitely unmistakably a 'babe' in Christ or not in Christ at all.
The 'mature' understand. The 'babes' do not.
And, the churches are full of "little baby Christians" who are all-nice-and-comfy with their bottle and blanket - who have never even "licked a steak much less eaten one" (so-to-speak) - who have never matured enough to "venture out" into the great depths of the word of God.
So sad...
It is okay to speak of salvation - for it is of supreme importance; however - what about doctrine? what about discipleship? what about:
2 Peter 3:
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
These things are important, too! And, it is vitally important for a Christian to have the "full-and-complete" word of God for best-possible-growth.
Can He reveal biblical Christian doctrine through the Koran?
This is one of the most shameful lies of Satan to ever deceive the masses!
Do you realize that the Holy Spirit cannot use a lie to teach you the truth? Or, admonish you? Or, reprove you?
The Holy Spirit cannot tell a lie; therefore, He cannot use currupt bible passages to teach you truth. So, if your bible has currupt passages in it, the Holy Spirit cannot use those passages to teach you truth.
Do you not know this?
If your bible translation does not contain the "full-and-complete" word of God --- you are missing some of it! And, not only that - but, the Holy Spirit cannot teach you [certain things] which have been currupted in the text by a faulty translation.
So -
2 Timothy 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
But, if you have little pieces of it missing or currupted here-and-there throughout the text - what have you got?
What you have is a watered-down truth-and-error-mixture hit-and-miss unreliable bible text.
And, if you are happy with that - something is seriously wrong somewhere!
Those of you who are trying to 'pin' [the least little bit of] error on the KJV - I have a question for you...
Let us imagine that the complete total amount of error in the KJV (all only 'minor' errors) is enough to fill a bottle cap.
If your bible was translated from the Westcott-Hort manuscripts (including a lot of 'major' errors), then the complete total amount of error would fill a swimming pool.
Which would you rather have?
In a nutshell, this is the 'argument' of 'KJVO'. It is the most accurate-and-true English translation - period. It has passed the test of time. And, no one in their right mind would choose another bible version over the KJV if they are truly interested in 'correctness-of-truth' over 'easy-to-read' or anything else.
And, I am not going to say there cannot be any exceptions - however - what you will find if you look carefully - is that 'KJVO' folks are the 'highly most likely' to [be able to] handle the 'meat' of the Word - whereas, most of the folks who criticize the KJV are the 'highly most likely' to not be willing to 'chew' anything more "hearty" than jello... ('steak' is not even on their menu)
But - that is okay...
1 Peter 2:
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
One day you will [hopefully] learn to have a desire for the 'deeper' things of God.
And then - you will discover and understand that - the whole time you were 'reacting' to the mere suggestion that the KJV was the best English Bible - Satan was standing next to you with his cattle prod - poking you with it and saying "Don't listen to that." all-the-while deceiving you into believing that how much a bible was currupted "really didn't matter"...
1 Corinthians 3:
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Hebrews 5:
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Some of the posts in this thread are a definite obvious blatent explicit unambiguous unrestrained show of evidence of the same.
Upon reading these posts - if you do not have an immediate and full understanding of the significance and importance of what is being said here - then, you are absolutely most definitely unmistakably a 'babe' in Christ or not in Christ at all.
The 'mature' understand. The 'babes' do not.
And, the churches are full of "little baby Christians" who are all-nice-and-comfy with their bottle and blanket - who have never even "licked a steak much less eaten one" (so-to-speak) - who have never matured enough to "venture out" into the great depths of the word of God.
So sad...
It is okay to speak of salvation - for it is of supreme importance; however - what about doctrine? what about discipleship? what about:
2 Peter 3:
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
These things are important, too! And, it is vitally important for a Christian to have the "full-and-complete" word of God for best-possible-growth.
Can He reveal biblical Christian doctrine through the Koran?
This is one of the most shameful lies of Satan to ever deceive the masses!
Do you realize that the Holy Spirit cannot use a lie to teach you the truth? Or, admonish you? Or, reprove you?
The Holy Spirit cannot tell a lie; therefore, He cannot use currupt bible passages to teach you truth. So, if your bible has currupt passages in it, the Holy Spirit cannot use those passages to teach you truth.
Do you not know this?
If your bible translation does not contain the "full-and-complete" word of God --- you are missing some of it! And, not only that - but, the Holy Spirit cannot teach you [certain things] which have been currupted in the text by a faulty translation.
So -
2 Timothy 3:
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
But, if you have little pieces of it missing or currupted here-and-there throughout the text - what have you got?
What you have is a watered-down truth-and-error-mixture hit-and-miss unreliable bible text.
And, if you are happy with that - something is seriously wrong somewhere!
Those of you who are trying to 'pin' [the least little bit of] error on the KJV - I have a question for you...
Let us imagine that the complete total amount of error in the KJV (all only 'minor' errors) is enough to fill a bottle cap.
If your bible was translated from the Westcott-Hort manuscripts (including a lot of 'major' errors), then the complete total amount of error would fill a swimming pool.
Which would you rather have?
In a nutshell, this is the 'argument' of 'KJVO'. It is the most accurate-and-true English translation - period. It has passed the test of time. And, no one in their right mind would choose another bible version over the KJV if they are truly interested in 'correctness-of-truth' over 'easy-to-read' or anything else.
And, I am not going to say there cannot be any exceptions - however - what you will find if you look carefully - is that 'KJVO' folks are the 'highly most likely' to [be able to] handle the 'meat' of the Word - whereas, most of the folks who criticize the KJV are the 'highly most likely' to not be willing to 'chew' anything more "hearty" than jello... ('steak' is not even on their menu)
But - that is okay...
1 Peter 2:
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
One day you will [hopefully] learn to have a desire for the 'deeper' things of God.
And then - you will discover and understand that - the whole time you were 'reacting' to the mere suggestion that the KJV was the best English Bible - Satan was standing next to you with his cattle prod - poking you with it and saying "Don't listen to that." all-the-while deceiving you into believing that how much a bible was currupted "really didn't matter"...
You read far more into what I wrote than I intended. Most translations are sufficient not only for salvation but also for growth. I never claimed it to be ideal, merely sufficient.