The Error of KJV-Onlyism

[John146]

When you accept as valid the reconciliation of equivalent issues you find in other translations, we can discuss what I think of the reconciliation of issues in the KJV.

You first.

Who killed Goliath?

ESV
2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

 

[John146]

Genetic fallacy. Invalid argument.

Not if you know what the Bible says about Egypt and Antioch.

 

[NightTwister]

If you come back in,and go back out, you will be doing the hokey pokey argument/fallacy.

What if that's REALLY what life is all about?

 

[John146]

I believe that and get that from NASB. What else?

He is faithful,when we are faithless.

Whose faith justifies the believer? The believer’s faith or Christ’s faith?

NASB
Galatians 2
16 nevertheless, knowing that a person is not justified by works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the Law; since by works of the Law no flesh will be justified. 17 But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Far from it! 18 For if I rebuild what I have once destroyed, I prove myself to be a wrongdoer. 19 For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

 

[Cameron143]

What if that's REALLY what life is all about?

Then you must have a KJB.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Error of KJVO?

In English, certainly, since there are also the "underlying non-corrupt manuscripts".
and also All the "translations in other languages", from these ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑.
An Almighty God's Preserved 'Package Deal', for All humankind, eh?:

So, please, if you must, pick your own version, and remember one thing:

A 'corrupt' version would certainly produce a corrupt faith, Correct?

Are we not All going to give a Final accounting for how we:

Handled The Word Of Life!?

Amen.

 

[Lanolin]

If you just dont like reading KJV, then you have hundreds of other versions in English to choose from. Good luck going through them all.

I think people just like to stick with one version they can trust instead of carrying around hundreds in their bag then there back will be sore from lugging all the other versions around or their eyes scrolling up and down hundreds of to find a version that they want to read.

Basically you find one you like...and stick with it.

 

[Niki7]

Seems to me, the argument here is that God can or can not protect the validity of His Written Word. I guess God must not
be as all powerful as we have been taught, huh? That being said, if we did not hear the word
of God from Jesus Himself, we have received corrupted teachings?

(mountain, molehill; one can turn into the other)

Not at all. The discussion is actually about whether or not an English translation is as inspired as the original languages

Don't try to make it seem that if a person does not believe that to be true, they must believe in error prone god

if you have to twist what people say in order to make a point, I would suggest the point you might be trying to make is of your own device and not applicable

 

[Lanolin]

I have yet to find anyone arguing for CEVonly or Lolcat only Bible. It would be interesting to see if any other Bible version is defended or loved to the same extent.

I know some people are enamoured of The Message. Even though its just one persons translation and some of it is....?!

 

[Cameron143]

Almost any version is sufficient for salvation. It's just like God to use what Satan is doing to destroy His work and use it to accomplish His purposes.
That's not to say that we shouldn't study to be as accurate as possible, but God can reveal His meaning through any medium.

 

[John146]

I have yet to find anyone arguing for CEVonly or Lolcat only Bible. It would be interesting to see if any other Bible version is defended or loved to the same extent.

I know some people are enamoured of The Message. Even though its just one persons translation and some of it is....?!

I like this thought, but it's hard to defend something that you know contains errors. I guess one could claim their version has less errors than others.

 

[Lanolin]

when Tyndale which for the most part KJV used his translation I think King James at the time had other translations in English that he didnt like, and of course the Latin versions that nobody except catholic priests and monks could read. Of course he couldnt go with what the Catholics read.

It is a bit curious to me that the people that defend KJV the most are americans. And also where its the most hated. In the UK its just known as the AV eg authorised version. It now doesnt need to be defended its just there, as the most published and long lived Bible since but Tyndale was burned at the stake for it

 

[Cameron143]

I like my stake to be very rare.

 

[NightTwister]

I like my stake to be very rare.

For the Reformed, it was.

 

[Lanolin]

The CEV is passable but I havent read the entire thing. Its just used for children because KJV is seen as too difficult, however, when I taught Bible in schools the children liked the KJV memory verses better than the CEV ones that just arent that memorable. CEV to me, dumbs it down a bit and doesnt have the rythym to it when you read out loud.

I actually found errors in the ICB thats why I dont read that one. It made out like God killed Moses or something confusing like that. I am wary of versions that seem to add or take away from scripture. Many of the modern versions are missing what is in the KJV so I wonder about that. Like words and phrases here and there.

If you a Bible scholar you would be very careful over each word in Hebrew, and with the Greek sonce most of the Bible is literally letters that have been copied and passed around. You dont want an abridged version if you serious about it.

 

[Lanolin]

King James was scottish and Presbyterian which is calvinist in tradition. But he became King of England and Scotland.

Before his comissioned version of the Bible readers were using other versions like the Geneva Bible and the Bishops Bible, or they were using the Vulgate. Which nobody who was English could understand since was all in Latin lol

 

[Kroogz]

Actually there are many doctrines that have been impacted by the modern versions, but primarily the doctrine of the divine preservation of Scripture.

So, what doctrines will I lack using the NASB?

Whose faith justifies the believer? The believer’s faith or Christ’s faith?

NASB
Galatians 2
16 nevertheless, knowing that a person is not justified by works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the Law; since by works of the Law no flesh will be justified. 17 But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Far from it! 18 For if I rebuild what I have once destroyed, I prove myself to be a wrongdoer. 19 For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

i already answered that. Christ lives in me. I see it as you do. And I study from the NASB. Christ does the Justifying, not my faith.

When we are faithless,He is faithful. What doctrines will I miss from studying the NASB?

Any serious student isn't going to read these verses and think," Faith alone in my faith alone for my salvation."

 

[Dino246]

Who killed Goliath?

ESV
2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

This thread is not about the ESV.

How old was Ahaziah when he became king? 22? or 42? Every word matters. How can you know the will of God if you don't have His perfect words?

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I believe, by now, most realize Satan's device is to: 1) question, 2) add to,
3) subtract from, 4) water down, and 4) outright DENY God's Word Of Truth, eh?

The discussion is actually about whether or not an English translation is as inspired as the original languages

Interesting choice of words, so, In Light Of:

"All Scripture Is Given By Inspiration Of God, And Is Profitable for​

doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:​

That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all​

good works." (2 Timothy 3:16)​

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So, which is it?

1) Only the Original Scriptural copies "are Inspired" and Profitable?

If True, then what do you do with "the king who burned the Original
scroll," in Jeremiah 36:1-32? Was the Second copy then UNInspired
and NON-profitable?:

"Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe,​

the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah​

all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned​

in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words."​

(v 32)​

​

Another question, In Light Of Deuteronomy 4:2, and 12:32:

Was not then Jeremiah disobedient when he "added besides unto
them many like words" To The 'Only Inspired Original' Scriptures
that the king burned?

​

Or:

2) All Scriptures:
whether Original, prayerfully/carefully made NON-corrupted copies, and All translations, no matter the language, from these ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑, are:

All God's Preserved And 'Inspired' Scriptures, And Are ALL 'Profitable'?

Which for you, all precious friends, who wish to be men/women
"of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works"
"receiving rewards at The Bema Judgment Seat (1Co 3:8-15)?

Amen.

 

[Dino246]

Not if you know what the Bible says about Egypt and Antioch.

Clearly you still don't understand what a genetic fallacy is. Nor does "GRACE_ambassador" either, as he seconded your error.