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there's lots of rumors on this some Christian scholars have contested this. And some contesting Ishmael was also linked to the midianites.
The midianites are descendants of Isreal today who may well have helped brought about the worship of Yahweh more than anyone else.
And Arabs today even recognising this.
The jury is out on this one I guess.
And it won't matter the sentiment is lost already
The midianites are descendants of Isreal today who may well have helped brought about the worship of Yahweh more than anyone else.
And Arabs today even recognising this.
The jury is out on this one I guess.
And it won't matter the sentiment is lost already
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Israel came through Isaac, not Ishmael. Some promises are for this world, and some are eternal.
Making Ishmael a promise is evidence that God gives grace and mercy to all. It also was a grace to Abraham, who loved Ishmael and desired good for him.
But mostly, it served God's purposes to test Israel and deliver His people.
Making Ishmael a promise is evidence that God gives grace and mercy to all. It also was a grace to Abraham, who loved Ishmael and desired good for him.
But mostly, it served God's purposes to test Israel and deliver His people.
Sure, that promise is in effect. But Ishmael's hunger was only for worldly things.
There has always been a heritage of promise. Abel and Cain. Isaac and Ishmael. Jacob and Esau. But it began with Satan and the seed of the woman.
One line was spiritual and eternal. The other line carnal and temporal.
There has always been a heritage of promise. Abel and Cain. Isaac and Ishmael. Jacob and Esau. But it began with Satan and the seed of the woman.
One line was spiritual and eternal. The other line carnal and temporal.
I do. But Ishmael wasn't saved from wrath. He was only saved from death. I will grant you that physical saving, in general, pictures spiritual salvation. But that's not what God is picturing her.
Isaac is the child of promise because his birth is supernatural. Sarah is barren and yet still has the child promised to her and Abraham. Ishmael is a child born of sin and pictures the natural man.
Isaac is the child of promise because his birth is supernatural. Sarah is barren and yet still has the child promised to her and Abraham. Ishmael is a child born of sin and pictures the natural man.
it doesn't answer all three questions Cameron because your basing your assertion Ishmeal was born through a lack of faith from Abraham, but yet abraham son isac still received a promise
You say ishmeal was not of faith but what about Abraham not believing God's promise that God would not bore him a son to Sarah.
People say Abraham son Ishmeal was illegitimate because the child was born under a lack of faith.
But what about the lack of faith Abraham was living under when he bore Isaac 🤔
Why should any promise be different
You say ishmeal was not of faith but what about Abraham not believing God's promise that God would not bore him a son to Sarah.
People say Abraham son Ishmeal was illegitimate because the child was born under a lack of faith.
But what about the lack of faith Abraham was living under when he bore Isaac 🤔
Why should any promise be different
Abraham was often unfaithful. People tend to remember his faithfulness when he raised his knife to sacrifice Isaac and forget that he often failed to trust God leading up to that point. And this certainly is one aspect of the story of Abraham. But what I'm referring to is the promise of God that Sarah would bear Abraham a son and the faithfulness of God to fulfill that promise. The promise of God's faithfulness is pictured in Isaac, not Ishmael. God made no such promise concerning him.
your failing to recognise the lack of faith came from Abraham not Ishmeal.
Traditional rules has always been that the first born should inherit the first rights, and be the first predecessor of the father.
Those are the rules in the middle east those where traditions no doubt set in place by God too.
It is without doubt abraham was to receive the promise to pass on.
Its the same story with Jacob stealing Esau birth right,
Could you say both where acting out of faith because both where born from a lack of faith
Traditional rules has always been that the first born should inherit the first rights, and be the first predecessor of the father.
Those are the rules in the middle east those where traditions no doubt set in place by God too.
It is without doubt abraham was to receive the promise to pass on.
Its the same story with Jacob stealing Esau birth right,
Could you say both where acting out of faith because both where born from a lack of faith
God choosing to bless Abraham, then Isaac, then Jacob demonstrates the sovereignty of God. And He does so despite their frailty and lack of faith at times. It is a reflection of His faithfulness.
If you want to believe more of Ishmael, you are free to do so. But it misses the point. The Bible is about God and what He has and is doing; it's not primarily about man.
If you want to believe more of Ishmael, you are free to do so. But it misses the point. The Bible is about God and what He has and is doing; it's not primarily about man.
I'm trying to narrow your focus.
Have you read Proverbs? God juxtaposes things to highlight differences. A popular theme is the wise verses the foolish.
In the same way, God uses people in biblical stories to juxtapose the spiritual from the natural man. This is what God is highlighting in Isaac and Ishmael.
Have you read Proverbs? God juxtaposes things to highlight differences. A popular theme is the wise verses the foolish.
In the same way, God uses people in biblical stories to juxtapose the spiritual from the natural man. This is what God is highlighting in Isaac and Ishmael.
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