The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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If a person dies in their sins in unbelief, its because

If a person dies in their sins in unbelief, it means they suppressed/restrained the truth in unrighteousness ... just as God tells us in Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katechō = suppress, restrain] the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse


The words "who hold" in vs 18 are translated from the Greek word katechō which means to restrain, hinder, suppress. So those who hear the gospel suppress, restrain the gospel when God reveals the gospel to them ... they reject God ... they are without excuse ... and they receive the consequence of having rejected Him.
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Those for whom Christ died

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam. You know the verses because I have submitted them to you many, many times. Try reading those verses without manipulating the text. Just read and believe what God wrote.

Definition of "Perfect"
In Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in English, and describes an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated.

... this is what I have been telling you, brightfame52.

The offering of the Lord Jesus Christ once was sufficient for all the sins of all mankind.

Hebrews 10:10 contrasts the offerings under the old covenant which could never take away sins and had to be made over and over with the one offering of the Lord Jesus Christ under the new covenant. The Lord Jesus Christ does not get back up on the cross over and over and over.

The Lord Jesus Christ died once:

Romans 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

the death of the Lord Jesus Christ once is sufficient to cover all the sins of all descendants of Adam.

According to Hebrews 10:1, the descendants of Adam who are the comers are sanctified (Heb 10:10).

According to Hebrews 10:2, the descendants of Adam who are the worshippers are sanctified (Heb 10:10).

The descendants of Adam who do not come and who do not worship are not sanctified because there is no other offering that can take away sin ... there is only One Offering for sin ... the Lord Jesus Christ.

Now is all mankind sanctified ?

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The "we" of Hebrews 10:10 are the comers spoken of in Hebrews 10:1 ... the worshippers spoken of in Hebrews 10:2.

lest you attack the sanctifying virtue of Christs death. If you do that, you in big trouble

the ones who "attack the sanctifying virtue of Christs death" are the ones who refuse to come to Him (Heb 10:1) ... the ones who refuse to worship Him (Heb 10:2).


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Again the ones He died for

Scripture is quite clear that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

shall be given Faith

Again, Paul thanked God for their faith because it comes from God. Col 1:3-4

3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus,

still no Scripture (chapter and verse) to substantiate your claim.

Colossians 1:3-4 states only that Paul and company had heard of [their] faith in Christ Jesus.
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Made Perfect and Righteous !

The antichrist crowd sells short the accomplishment of the Atoning Life and Death of Jesus Christ for them He lived and died in behalf of ! Understand, all for whom He Lived and died for, and that alone, have been #1 Made Righteous Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

That word righteous is the greek word dikaios means:

I.righteous, observing divine laws

A.in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

i.of those who seem to themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves in their virtues, whether real or imagined


ii.innocent, faultless, guiltless


iii.used of him whose way of thinking, feeling, and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no rectification in the heart or life

a.only Christ truly



iv.approved of or acceptable of God



B.in a narrower sense, rendering to each his due and that in a judicial sense, passing just judgment on others, whether expressed in words or shown by the manner of dealing with them

Notice that it means :innocent, faultless, guiltless

That word faultless is found Jude 1:24

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

His Obedience unto death for the many He Lived and died for shall present them faultless before the presence of his Glory ! The have been made or constituted Law Keepers , Keeping all the Commandments of God,

And they have been made Perfect, indicates Heb 10:10-14

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering[His death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

For by a single offering He has forever completely cleansed and perfected those who are consecrated and made holy.AMP

By his one sacrifice he has forever set free from sin the people he brings to God.CEV

For by virtue of that one offering he has perfected for all time every one whom he makes holy.

And these ones, at death, their spirits are received unto heaven, the heavenly Jerusalem Heb 12:23

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 44

 

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The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam. You know the verses because I have submitted them to you many, many times. Try reading those verses without manipulating the text. Just read and believe what God wrote.





... this is what I have been telling you, brightfame52.

The offering of the Lord Jesus Christ once was sufficient for all the sins of all mankind.

Hebrews 10:10 contrasts the offerings under the old covenant which could never take away sins and had to be made over and over with the one offering of the Lord Jesus Christ under the new covenant. The Lord Jesus Christ does not get back up on the cross over and over and over.

The Lord Jesus Christ died once:

Romans 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

the death of the Lord Jesus Christ once is sufficient to cover all the sins of all descendants of Adam.

According to Hebrews 10:1, the descendants of Adam who are the comers are sanctified (Heb 10:10).

According to Hebrews 10:2, the descendants of Adam who are the worshippers are sanctified (Heb 10:10).

The descendants of Adam who do not come and who do not worship are not sanctified because there is no other offering that can take away sin ... there is only One Offering for sin ... the Lord Jesus Christ.





Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The "we" of Hebrews 10:10 are the comers spoken of in Hebrews 10:1 ... the worshippers spoken of in Hebrews 10:2.





the ones who "attack the sanctifying virtue of Christs death" are the ones who refuse to come to Him (Heb 10:1) ... the ones who refuse to worship Him (Heb 10:2).


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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More flat out denial and opposing the accomplishment of the Death of Christ.

 

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Because I live, ye shall live also ! 2

Jesus here was speaking as the Head of His Body the Church, and their Surety Mediator, and what goes for Him, goes for them, and Like He was raised from the dead, after having died for their sins against God, they also must be raised from the dead and walk in the Newness of Life, Paul's Doctrine here Rom 6:4-5

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

We partake of the Likeness of His Resurrection [if we died together with him] by our New Birth from the dead, or being made alive from the dead Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

That word quickened means to make alive ! You see, there's no such thing as Christ dying for one, raised for one, and that one not being made alive[from spiritual death] as a result of it !

Just as He was made alive or raised from the dead [as our Head, Representative, and Surety], we also together with Him, have been raised or made alive in Him !

Thats why Peter said 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Remember Christ is said to be begotten from the dead here Rev 1:5

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of or from the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and has washed us from our sins in his blood, Ps

Ps 2:7

I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

This speaks to His Resurrection Per Acts 13:33

God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

So those He died for, they also together with Him, as He was begotten from the Dead, on their behalf, they were also, as Peter makes clear 1 Pet 1:3 !

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

We were begotten again by the Resurrection of Christ from the dead !

This proves our union with Christ when He died for us, and when He rose again for us, and this union is made manifest in time at the time of our personal new birth, when we are experimentally made to walk in the newness of Life because of it ! That would constitute our own personal new birth in this life !

The only way one for whom Christ died does not experience a new birth is if Christ Himself was not raised from the Dead, and that's the God's Truth, If He lived, they for whom He died shall live also, to the Glory of God ! 44

 

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Notice that it means :innocent, faultless, guiltless

That word faultless is found Jude 1:24

The word "faultless" in Jude 1:24 is not translated from the Greek word dikaios.

The word "faultless" in Jude 1:24 is translated from the Greek word amōmos.

And if you believe you can just willy-nilly change amōmos to dikaios (or dikaios to amōmos) in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma, you are mistaken.

The have been made or constituted Law Keepers , Keeping all the Commandments of God,

... oh brother ... do you not know the meaning of the words the just shall live by faith ???
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Because I live, ye shall live also ! 2

Jesus here was speaking as the Head of His Body the Church

nope ... when Jesus spoke those words, He was giving instruction to His disciples just before His crucifixion. At that time, according to Philippians 2:7-8, Jesus took upon Him the form of a servant ... He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

So those He died for

Scripture is quite clear that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

The only way one for whom Christ died does not experience a new birth is if Christ Himself was not raised from the Dead, and that's the God's Truth

nope ... what is "God's Truth" is what God tells us in Scripture ... and what you say does not align with what God tells us in Scripture.

We know from Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised from the dead ... so your statement that He was not "raised from the Dead" is wholly without merit.

We know from Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... so your statement that "The only way one for whom Christ died does not experience a new birth is if Christ Himself was not raised from the Dead" is wholly without merit.

We know from Scripture that some reject the truth and they will suffer the consequence of their unbelief ... that fact does not equal "Christ Himself was not raised from the Dead". That statement is not God's Truth.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Justification of Life Rom 5:18

Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

False teachers use this scripture to impose the lie that Christ died for all without exception, but in reality this verse tells us why it cannot possibly teach that, in so much as it teaches one of the consequences of the death of Christ for them He died for, which is Justification of Life. Its the result of the Righteousness of One, that One being summed up in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ !

This scripture informs us that all those Christ Lived and died for, receive as a consequential free gift, Justification of Life, and or Life [spiritual and eternal]because of their Justification by the Life and death of Jesus Christ !

All for whom Christ died for their offences/sins, He was raised again from that death for their Justification, so testifies scripture Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. This Justification is that of Rom 5:18 also !

Its the word dikaiōsis and means:


I.the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him


II.abjuring to be righteous, justification

Listen, Christ's Resurrection from the dead from having died for those He was delivered unto death for their sins, His Resurrection was Gods declaring of them Righteous, declaring them free from guilt, and now acceptable to Him,

And Rom 5:18 adds the dimension that all whom this has been done for, receive Life , hence its called Justification of Life ! In other words, out of this Justification, out of this being now declared free from Guilt, comes Life !

Well then, as one man’s trespass [one man’s false step and falling away led] to condemnation for all men, so one Man’s act of righteousness [leads] to acquittal and right standing with God and life for all men.AMP

If Christ was raised from the dead after having died for our sins, it leads to us having/receiving Life as a result of it ! 44

 

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nope ... when Jesus spoke those words, He was giving instruction to His disciples just before His crucifixion. At that time, according to Philippians 2:7-8, Jesus took upon Him the form of a servant ... He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.





Scripture is quite clear that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.





nope ... what is "God's Truth" is what God tells us in Scripture ... and what you say does not align with what God tells us in Scripture.

We know from Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised from the dead ... so your statement that He was not "raised from the Dead" is wholly without merit.

We know from Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... so your statement that "The only way one for whom Christ died does not experience a new birth is if Christ Himself was not raised from the Dead" is wholly without merit.

We know from Scripture that some reject the truth and they will suffer the consequence of their unbelief ... that fact does not equal "Christ Himself was not raised from the Dead". That statement is not God's Truth.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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More opposing of Christ honoring Doctrine.

 

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Justification of Life Rom 5:18 2

They receive Life because the reason for their death, to include spiritual death which is sins wages Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin, offence, transgression, trespass is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The gift here is also that which is stated in Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Also stated as the free gift in Vs 16

And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

The reason for death, sin has been put away by the sacrifice of Christ Heb 9:26

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Now their sins being put away, spiritual death for them must also be put away, or as Paul says it here abolished 2 Tim 1:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

That word abolished katargeō means to:


I.to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative

A.to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency


B.to deprive of force, influence, power



II.to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish

A.to cease, to pass away, be done away


B.to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one


C.to terminate all intercourse with one

Christ's death, put away death, discharged from death, loosed from death, all for whom He died and arose, and the evidence is by giving Life to them,

Hence all for whom He died are quickened or given life while dead in sins Eph 2:1,5

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Christ gives each one He died for Life by His Spirit Jn 6:63

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The Spirit does this quickening through the Mediation of Christ 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

So now listen and understand, the All men of Rom 5:18 that Justification of Life came upon, must also receive as confirmation and evidence of their sins being put away by Christ Heb 9:26, Life, and that means Spiritual life from being dead in sins, there is simply no way around it, if they dont, the fault must lie in the death of Christ, it must not have put away their sins before Gods Law and Justice , which we know it is not the case, because it did put away their sins, the Resurrection proves it !

 

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Justification of Life Rom 5:18 2

They receive Life because the reason for their death, to include spiritual death which is sins wages Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin, offence, transgression, trespass is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The gift here is also that which is stated in Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Also stated as the free gift in Vs 16

And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

The reason for death, sin has been put away by the sacrifice of Christ Heb 9:26

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Now their sins being put away, spiritual death for them must also be put away, or as Paul says it here abolished 2 Tim 1:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

That word abolished katargeō means to:


I.to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative

A.to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency


B.to deprive of force, influence, power



II.to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish

A.to cease, to pass away, be done away


B.to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one


C.to terminate all intercourse with one

Christ's death, put away death, discharged from death, loosed from death, all for whom He died and arose, and the evidence is by giving Life to them,

Hence all for whom He died are quickened or given life while dead in sins Eph 2:1,5

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Christ gives each one He died for Life by His Spirit Jn 6:63

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The Spirit does this quickening through the Mediation of Christ 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

So now listen and understand, the All men of Rom 5:18 that Justification of Life came upon, must also receive as confirmation and evidence of their sins being put away by Christ Heb 9:26, Life, and that means Spiritual life from being dead in sins, there is simply no way around it, if they dont, the fault must lie in the death of Christ, it must not have put away their sins before Gods Law and Justice , which we know it is not the case, because it did put away their sins, the Resurrection proves it !

You should rewrite the Bible to fit your theology, “The Calvinist Bible.”

 

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You should rewrite the Bible to fit your theology, “The Calvinist Bible.”

If thats what you wanna call the Truth, fine with me, its scoffing

 

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If thats what you wanna call the Truth, fine with me, its scoffing

Just tired of people correcting the bible.

Every man that has come into the world has had light in them given by God. This is not a reference to some elect group.

John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

 

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the lie that Christ died for all

hmmmm ... "the lie that Christ died for all" ??? ... let's see what is written in Scripture ...

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


it appears the liar is the one who insists that "Christ died for all" is a lie.

Rom 5:18

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Rom 4:25

interesting that you don't read verses in the order written ... nor will you read them in the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed them ... and then you have the audacity to accuse the Author of Scripture of being a liar as it is the Author of Scripture Who tells us the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all mankind ... all descendants of Adam.
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Christ's death, put away death, discharged from death, loosed from death, all for whom He died

"all for whom He died" ...

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

if they dont, the fault must lie in the death of Christ

... nope ... absolutely no failure on the part of the Lord Jesus Christ ... the "fault must lie" with those who reject the gift of God (Rom 6:23) ... the free gift (Rom 5:16, 18) ... the sacrifice of Himself (Heb 9:26) ... the gospel (2 Tim 1:10) ... the grace (Eph 2:5) ...

the Resurrection proves it !

quit trying to align Scripture with your erroneous dogma. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.

Here is what Scripture tells us ...

the resurrection declares that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God:

Romans 1:

1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures, )

3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead

 

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hmmmm ... "the lie that Christ died for all" ??? ... let's see what is written in Scripture ...

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


it appears the liar is the one who insists that "Christ died for all" is a lie.





interesting that you don't read verses in the order written ... nor will you read them in the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed them ... and then you have the audacity to accuse the Author of Scripture of being a liar as it is the Author of Scripture Who tells us the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all mankind ... all descendants of Adam.
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Opposing truth, not good

 

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"all for whom He died" ...

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.





... nope ... absolutely no failure on the part of the Lord Jesus Christ ... the "fault must lie" with those who reject the gift of God (Rom 6:23) ... the free gift (Rom 5:16, 18) ... the sacrifice of Himself (Heb 9:26) ... the gospel (2 Tim 1:10) ... the grace (Eph 2:5) ...




quit trying to align Scripture with your erroneous dogma. You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.

Here is what Scripture tells us ...

the resurrection declares that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God:

Romans 1:

1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures, )

3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead

More opposing truth

 

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It accomplished our healing/full salvation !


1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

This one scripture condemns all who deny that Christ's Death alone brings about the total Salvation of all whom sins He bare in His body on the Tree !

The key phrase is "by whose stripes ye were healed" ! Stripes here stands for His Death, even the pain and suffering He endured on His way to the Cross, His total obedience unto death, even the death of the Cross Phil 2:8

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

And Peter declares that by this obedience unto death, to even the cross, which equates to His stripes , they were healed ! Now who are they here ? Its Believers, for believing is an evidence that they had been healed, that they had been saved, converted !

In other words, the stripes of Christ results in their believing, the Salvation being brought about !

Lets look at the word healed here in our text 1 Pet 2:24

Its the greek word iaomai and means:

I heal, generally of the physical, sometimes of spiritual, disease.

particularly as supernatural and bringing attention to the Lord Himself as the Great Physician (cf. Is 53:4,5).

to make whole i. e. to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation:

The words bring about mean :

To cause to occur as a consequence,

So The death/stripes of Christ brings about or causes to occur their Salvation as a consequence, which is "should live to righteousness:"

Thats the Salvation Christ's stripes produces for all whom sins He bare in His Body on the Tree !

That means if we believe and teach that one person for whom Christ died does not in this Life begin "to live to Righteousness" then we discredit and deny the saving success of His Death !

Its no way around it, and of course since we know all men without exception shall not " live unto Righteousness" then we know Christ's death, stripes were not for all men without exception, He did not bare the sins of all men without exception in His Body on the Tree ! 44

 

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1 Pet 2:24

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Phil 2:8

instead of jumping from 1 Peter 2:24 to Philippians 2:8, why don't you read 1 Peter 2:24 in the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it???

1 Peter 2:

6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner


according to vs 6, those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ shall not be confounded (ashamed)

according to vs 7, the Lord Jesus Christ is precious to those who believe in Him

according to vs 7, those who are disobedient reject the Lord Jesus Christ

clearly, the context tells us that those who believe, those to whom the Lord Jesus Christ is precious are the "our" whose sins have been borne by the Lord Jesus Christ in vs 24 ... not because the Lord Jesus Christ is incapable of bearing the sins of those who reject, but because those who reject the Lord Jesus Christ have no other means of having their sins removed.

The offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is the only offering acceptable to God ... for those who reject the only offering for sin, their sin remains.

In other words, the stripes of Christ results in their believing

that is not what is stated in the context of 1 Peter 2, brightfame52. Quit manipulating Scripture. Just read and believe what is written ... just as the Author of Scripture has written it.


Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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