by Grace and through faith

[montana123]

For whatever it's worth, I agree with everything in your post except (if I understood you correctly) for the faith part - that instead of it originating from/by a sinner, it is Christ's faith in view, which faith, is imputed to the sinner as a gift, otherwise, salvation couldn't be by grace, and therefore, not a gift as Eph 2:8 tells us it is. Grace, by definition, must be all encompassing, with nothing outside of it nor anything other than it needed for salvation, or it simply isn't by grace.

[Eph 2:8 KJV] 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

[Rom 1:17 KJV] 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:


[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Jesus said He gives us joy that no man can take away because it is not controlled by us but by Him.

If we encounter a situation we do not like we can lose happiness for a time because it is controlled by us but we cannot lose joy for it is controlled by Jesus.

Which the joy of the LORD is our strength for it helps us to keep loving people, and live for God without being discouraged for we will be persecuted, and face trials.

If it is Christ's faith and not our faith then we cannot depart from that faith for it is controlled by Him.

How did these people depart from the faith if we cannot lose that faith.

Which this is speaking of people leaving the truth of the Bible, and embracing something different which this is speaking of the new age movement that interprets the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but evolved to be an ascended master.

Which their beliefs are of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils for they follow Lucifer which they believe he is a god, and an alien, who gave people intelligence, and will help mankind to have peace, and advance, and evolve to be spiritual, which they talk of the return of the gods.

They do not believe Lucifer is a fallen angel because they do not believe in a God, and when the Bible says he fell they say he descended from Venus to Earth to bring the principle of mind to then then animal-man.

How did they depart from the faith and embrace a different interpretation of the Bible.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

The truth is we have to have faith and believe which Jesus when He was talking to Thomas said blessed is he that has not seen but still believes.

 

[rogerg]

If it is Christ's faith and not our faith then we cannot depart from that faith for it is controlled by Him.

If it is a faith truly given by God, then they won't depart from it, nor it from them. There is a faith, however, that is man-produced - a faith which comes from man - that he can bring it to fruition through his own intellect, of himself, with it not being given from God as a gift, which as a gift, would then have to be credited to God and not credited to man - with God getting all of the glory and man none. A man-produced faith lasts for a time but then man will eventually fall away from it. If man should trust in himself for it - that he produced it himself - that then makes it his work, and further, if it is believed that that faith is a requirement for salvation, then that faith is not only a work, but that someone must have it, a law, because without it, they cannot become saved. But the Bible is extremely clear that no man can be saved by attempting to satisfy the requirements of law by their works but only by God's grace. If by grace, then to receive faith as a gift of salvation, is completely consistent with, and supportive of, grace, and that Jesus the alone being the Saviour, has achieved all on our behalf (which is what to be the Saviour means). That faith and salvation can only come as a gift from God, thereby attests to its value - that He who gives it (God), allows only that it is given as a gift, and given by Him, in order for that it be equal to its true value; that is, nothing else can equal its value but to receive it freely from God it a gift. Anything short of being a gift is an insult to God and to Christ. So, therefore, as we can do nothing to obtain it, that thus makes it a gift by grace through faith (Christ's faith) alone.

(Got very wordy here I know, so if it doesn't make sense, let me know and I'll try to clarify.)

[Luk 8:13 KJV] 13 They on the rock [are they], which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

[1Pe 1:5 KJV] 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

The truth is we have to have faith and believe which Jesus when He was talking to Thomas said blessed is he that has not seen but still believes.

In your quote above, you correctly said "blessed is he that", which means that those who have not seen yet believe were first blessed by God in order for them to be able to do so. You are correct that we do have to believe, but that belief must come as a result of salvation and not as a cause for salvation. As someone on this site once said, maybe brightfame52, that no can get saved by their faith, but, they must have faith to be saved.

[Tit 3:5 KJV] 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

[1Pe 1:21 KJV] 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

[1Co 2:5 KJV] 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

[Phl 1:29 KJV] 29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

 

[turbosixx]

We achieve it by being daily filled with the Holy Spirit and by letting Him be our life.

There is the rub. All Christians believe they are being led by the HS but unfortunately, they don't all agree.
10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.

Christianity is so divided it's very sad. And they're a long way from the same mind and the same judgement. They all can't be right, and I suggest most are wrong. Sadly on fundamental things.

We are under law, the law of Christ.
21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.

2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

1 Cor. 14:37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.

 

[Evmur]

There is the rub. All Christians believe they are being led by the HS but unfortunately, they don't all agree.
10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.

Christianity is so divided it's very sad. And they're a long way from the same mind and the same judgement. They all can't be right, and I suggest most are wrong. Sadly on fundamental things.

We are under law, the law of Christ.
21 To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.

2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

1 Cor. 14:37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.

God will authentic His true messengers

 

[turbosixx]

God will authentic His true messengers

Absolutely true but we should try and help them to see before it's too late.

The bible tells us how we can know we are in Him.
3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.