Where does the justification for The New Testament doers of the law in Romans 2:13 originate from?
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This is what my pastor challenged me on. Don't focus on what you are doing. Focus on what the Son did.
HE gave you the gift of the Spirit within you the moment you were saved.
HE will cause you to walk in His statutes........The doctrine of the filling/walking/fellowship in the Spirit.
Do not grieve the Spirit.
Do not quench the Spirit.
Be filled with the Spirit.
Walk in the Spirit.
And you will fulfill ALL that He wants from you.
But if our motive is self/flesh, and doing them for our justification:
Gal 5:4~~You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace.
Gal 5:16~~But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
HE gave you the gift of the Spirit within you the moment you were saved.
HE will cause you to walk in His statutes........The doctrine of the filling/walking/fellowship in the Spirit.
Do not grieve the Spirit.
Do not quench the Spirit.
Be filled with the Spirit.
Walk in the Spirit.
And you will fulfill ALL that He wants from you.
But if our motive is self/flesh, and doing them for our justification:
Gal 5:4~~You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace.
Gal 5:16~~But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
You are arguing against scripture. I never said it is possible for all laws to be currently adhered to. There is no temple currently and there are no appointed Levite priests so all those laws are moot at this time. Were all the laws followed the 40 years while Israel was in exodus after Egypt? Did God even force them to be circumcised as they walk?
As for me I will listen to the Holy Spirit.
As for me I will listen to the Holy Spirit.
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What You say is true, but these Laws did and do exist for Gentiles whether one accepts it or not. And You should be able to be faithful to Your wife with or without God. But God still had to have it written out for the Gentiles. And this is not part of the Mosaic Law. This is New Testament Laws. Stop intertwining the two.
The New Covenant is God putting his Holy Spirit inside of us to follow his law. This is a Covenant written into our hearts instead of on stone or paper.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
You forgot to highlight the most important part: "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt..."
What you're saying is that only the place where the covenant is written is changed. No. Its very essence is different.
"they shall all know me"
This is understood as knowing the Lord intimately: His very being and nature. Previously he wrote "although I was an husband unto them". So this "knowing" is not knowledge, it is about being one flesh with God. How is this possible? Because His nature is put into all who are in Christ. Together the saints actually BECOME the body of Christ: His flesh and His bones. When you are in the Son and the Son is in you, you need no man to teach you about your Father. Why? Because the nature of the son IS the nature of the father. This is true in the natural as well as the spiritual.
What you're saying is that only the place where the covenant is written is changed. No. Its very essence is different.
"they shall all know me"
This is understood as knowing the Lord intimately: His very being and nature. Previously he wrote "although I was an husband unto them". So this "knowing" is not knowledge, it is about being one flesh with God. How is this possible? Because His nature is put into all who are in Christ. Together the saints actually BECOME the body of Christ: His flesh and His bones. When you are in the Son and the Son is in you, you need no man to teach you about your Father. Why? Because the nature of the son IS the nature of the father. This is true in the natural as well as the spiritual.
The New Covenant has many changes. I was just showing the part in the OT where the promise of the Holy Spirit in us and the law inside of us.
God does not change so why would he tells us something is good or bad and then take it back and now say don't worry it is not bad anymore? Now he gives us his Spirit to show us the proper way to follow the law. We are the temple for God.
God said eating swine is an abomination. Did he change his mind?
God does not change so why would he tells us something is good or bad and then take it back and now say don't worry it is not bad anymore? Now he gives us his Spirit to show us the proper way to follow the law. We are the temple for God.
God said eating swine is an abomination. Did he change his mind?
You mean like this:
The next day at about the sixth hour, as the men were approaching the city on their journey, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.
He saw heaven open and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals and reptiles of the earth, as well as birds of the air. Then a voice said to him: “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!”
“No, Lord!” Peter answered. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
This happened three times, and all at once the sheet was taken back up into heaven.
Doesn't specifically mention swine but it does mention things that were impure or unclean under the law.
Now, God made them clean.
God didn't change His mind. Jesus fulfilled the law. God was showing Peter that that the law no longer governed his life.
And how did God get the word out to Peter? Not through a written scripture or another stone carving... God spoke to Peter's spirit. Spirit to spirit was made possible by Christ's indwelling Spirit in Peter.
The next day at about the sixth hour, as the men were approaching the city on their journey, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.
He saw heaven open and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals and reptiles of the earth, as well as birds of the air. Then a voice said to him: “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!”
“No, Lord!” Peter answered. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
This happened three times, and all at once the sheet was taken back up into heaven.
Doesn't specifically mention swine but it does mention things that were impure or unclean under the law.
Now, God made them clean.
God didn't change His mind. Jesus fulfilled the law. God was showing Peter that that the law no longer governed his life.
And how did God get the word out to Peter? Not through a written scripture or another stone carving... God spoke to Peter's spirit. Spirit to spirit was made possible by Christ's indwelling Spirit in Peter.
Although unclean food was used as an example for Peter the context of the whole vision was about God making the gentiles clean.
If you read Isaiah you will see that before the end times judgement that God still views swine as an abomination.
Isaiah 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. 17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
If you read Isaiah you will see that before the end times judgement that God still views swine as an abomination.
Isaiah 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. 17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
Mark 7:19
ESVsince it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
NIVFor it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.' (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
NASBbecause it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?' ( Thereby He declared all foods clean.)
CSBFor it doesn't go into his heart but into the stomach and is eliminated" (thus he declared all foods clean ).
NLTFood doesn’t go into your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then goes into the sewer.' (By saying this, he declared that every kind of food is acceptable in God’s eyes.)
ESVsince it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
NIVFor it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.' (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
NASBbecause it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?' ( Thereby He declared all foods clean.)
CSBFor it doesn't go into his heart but into the stomach and is eliminated" (thus he declared all foods clean ).
NLTFood doesn’t go into your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then goes into the sewer.' (By saying this, he declared that every kind of food is acceptable in God’s eyes.)
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