Israel Declares War

[Smoke]

You can hypothetically think you are The Judge all day long friend. No skin off my nose.

What does that even mean? Hypothetically think you are the judge?

I am stating a hypothetical scenario where it's a given that Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem are being murdered, displaced, and their homes are taken over by Israelis, would you think it's justifiable to do those acts because "God gave Israel the land"? Would it mean that Jews are the rightful owners of not JUST the land, but to Palestinian's personal possessions/homes?

This isn't judging... I'm asking if it's a sin to murder and steal personal property from someone who isn't a Jew but lives in the West Bank or East Jerusalem. The answer is that "murder" and "stealing" are sins period. The acknowledgement that God has given/will give the land to the Jews does not mean it's justifiable to kill Palestinians and take their homes. Murder and stealing are always counter to God's commandments. You refuse to call sin a sin and hide behind not wanting to be a "judge".

This cowardice is what's wrong with Christianity today. We are too afraid to calla sin "a sin" out of fear of being perceived as judgmental hypocrites. We are stating what God' commands.

 

[Smoke]

But you say Israel will never obtain THEIR allotted inheritance, and this by explicit covenant?

Can you copy/paste where I said this please?

I only said that the Jew's inheritance does not include Palestinian's personal possessions and homes who are living in the promised land. I've also stated that Israel is not permitted to murder Palestinians living in the Promise Land. Why do you intentionally try to manipulate what I say?

 

[cv5]

What does that even mean? Hypothetically think you are the judge?

Well.......again that is your problem not mine.

This isn't judging...

It sure sounds like it. But again......knock yourself out.

As for me.....I am not going to engage/indulge in your obsession to be judging Israel. Not with a ten foot pole.

 

[Obedience]

What does that even mean? Hypothetically think you are the judge?

I am stating a hypothetical scenario where it's a given that Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem are being murdered, displaced, and their homes are taken over by Israelis, would you think it's justifiable to do those acts because "God gave Israel the land"? Would it mean that Jews are the rightful owners of not JUST the land, but to Palestinian's personal possessions/homes?

This isn't judging... I'm asking if it's a sin to murder and steal personal property from someone who isn't a Jew but lives in the West Bank or East Jerusalem. The answer is that "murder" and "stealing" are sins period. The acknowledgement that God has given/will give the land to the Jews does not mean it's justifiable to kill Palestinians and take their homes. Murder and stealing are always counter to God's commandments. You refuse to call sin a sin and hide behind not wanting to be a "judge".

This cowardice is what's wrong with Christianity today. We are too afraid to calla sin "a sin" out of fear of being perceived as judgmental hypocrites. We are stating what God' commands.

I still remember that God said to kill all the pagans but not take their finances. If they are really pagans, Israel has been wrong.They evicted the Palestinians and moved into their houses.

And what is the promised land? Israel has still not figured it out so far.Jesus Christ is the secret to the promised land.Just like Solomon's song.My beloved can Enter the garden.Garden of Eden, tree of life.

 

[Magenta]

True, they are ONLY putting their eternal salvation at risk. You're right, how wonderful of Israel blessing LGBT like the pope.

Here (<= link) is an interesting read on the RCC blessing of homosexual couples.

Not to be confused with condoning such unions. Curious to know the specifics of Israels' stance.

Surely it is better than throwing them off rooftops?

 

[Smoke]

Well.......again that is your problem not mine.

It sure sounds like it. But again......knock yourself out.

As for me.....I am not going to engage/indulge in your obsession to be judging Israel. Not with a ten foot pole.

If you are unwilling to call sin a sin, then "knock yourself out". I have homosexual friends that I genuinely value and cherish. This does not mean when they ask me my views on homosexuality that I am going to cower and not declare that God has condemned such a lifestyle. Am I going to throw them off the rooftop for being gay? No, I don't have the authority to judge and condemn someone to death. That is up to God. Testifying that homosexuality is an abomination to God is NOT judging them though. It's merely expressing what I believe to be true. I'm not sure how old you are, but I pray you learn to distinguish between the two sooner rather than later.

 

[cv5]

If you are unwilling to call sin a sin, then "knock yourself out". I have homosexual friends that I genuinely value and cherish. This does not mean when they ask me my views on homosexuality that I am going to cower and not declare that God has condemned such a lifestyle. Am I going to throw them off the rooftop for being gay? No, I don't have the authority to judge and condemn someone to death. That is up to God. Testifying that homosexuality is an abomination to God is NOT judging them though. It's merely expressing what I believe to be true. I'm not sure how old you are, but I pray you learn to distinguish between the two sooner rather than later.

Do you ever actually post any relevant scriptures? Like ever?
Probably a good idea. Just friendly advice.

 

[cv5]

I still remember that God said to kill all the pagans but not take their finances.

Really? You might want to check into that.

 

[ZNP]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rO8u_iuwtlM

 

[Needevidence]

Ishmael got the boot.

Gen 21:8
And the child grew, and was weaned: and Abraham made a great feast the same day that Isaac was weaned.
Gen 21:9
And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.
Gen 21:10
Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

Sarah said that not God - God may have instructed Abraham to do as Sarah says, but clearly had his own plans for Ishmael. But the point being he is the seed of Abraham who were promised. There are also a number of serious issues with Genesis - Jeremiah 8:8 .......But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

Abraham What land did he get given when he had to purchase the land where he was buried? was buried by Ishmael and Issac. Issac’s son Esau also married Ishmaels daughter.

 

[Needevidence]

Read the Bible much? Or is it more of a belief problem. I think the latter.

Anyways, God DID create the nation Israel. Eventually to be ruled over by the Greater David, Jesus Messiah Himself.

Gen 12:2
And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

Gen 46:3
And he said, I am God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation:

2Sa 7:23
And what one nation in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people, which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, from the nations and their gods?

Oh and BTW, God made ISHMAEL the progenitor of a "great nation" as well. Do you only deny Jacob and yet advocate for Ishmael?

Gen 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Yes nation, a people not a county named Israel, that was from Jacob and collectively know as the Israelities. Both should be advocated - see also my post above.

 

[PennEd]

Sarah said that not God - God may have instructed Abraham to do as Sarah says, but clearly had his own plans for Ishmael. But the point being he is the seed of Abraham who were promised. There are also a number of serious issues with Genesis - Jeremiah 8:8 .......But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

Abraham What land did he get given when he had to purchase the land where he was buried? was buried by Ishmael and Issac. Issac’s son Esau also married Ishmaels daughter.

Genesis 22:2

New King James Version
2 Then He said, “Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”

 

[Needevidence]

Genesis 22:2

New King James Version
2 Then He said, “Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”

WHAT God didn’t know Abraham already had a son! when he calls him ‘thy seed’ and will make him a great nation? That’s the problem with Genesis - too many issues - probably because it was written hundreds of years after Moses – by the - Jeremiah 8:8 .......But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

 

[PennEd]

WHAT God didn’t know Abraham already had a son! when he calls him ‘thy seed’ and will make him a great nation? That’s the problem with Genesis - too many issues - probably because it was written hundreds of years after Moses – by the - Jeremiah 8:8 .......But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.

Understand folks what this guy is saying.

God's Word is in doubt, and sometimes is erroneous.

This is at the extreme end of where amils go, but you can see the danger in that thought. It can, and sometimes does, lead to these kinds of heretical statements.

 

[ZNP]

WHAT God didn’t know Abraham already had a son!

So you don't believe God of Abraham is omniscient. Got it. And you are teaching others this as well.

By definition God is omniscient and you don't simply think the God of Abraham isn't, but that you are. That is a violation of the first commandment: You shall have no other god's before Me.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Smoke]

Do you ever actually post any relevant scriptures? Like ever?
Probably a good idea. Just friendly advice.

Do you ever discuss in good faith? Probably a good idea to not play dumb and try to twist what people actually say. Just friendly advice.

 

[HeIsHere]

True, they are ONLY putting their eternal salvation at risk. You're right, how wonderful of Israel blessing LGBT like the pope.

Slippery slope.

 

[HeIsHere]

What am saying is I cannot judge whether or not these accusations you make are true. Because I am not an eyewitness to anything that is happening over there. Furthermore every man is accountable for his own sins. And God (not me) will be his Judge.

So there you have it buddy. If you so choose to continually shreik foul play in some fit of righteous indignation go right ahead. But if you want me to join in with you......you are wasting your time.

I hope you never get called to jury duty.
You want judge when it is convenient for your team.

 

[ZNP]

What are the rules concerning judgment.

Jesus tells us clearly, when you judge someone you are ignoring God's warning. However, what you are doing is judging yourself. Those words will be brought up when you stand before the Lord.

You may think, so what, I never did that. But that is not the standard. When they brought the woman caught in adultery the Lord did not say "whoever has not committed adultery can cast the first stone". He said "whoever is without sin can cast the first stone". That is the rule for judgment, whoever is without sin can cast the first stone.

John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

 

[Smoke]

What are the rules concerning judgment.

Jesus tells us clearly, when you judge someone you are ignoring God's warning. However, what you are doing is judging yourself. Those words will be brought up when you stand before the Lord.

You may think, so what, I never did that. But that is not the standard. When they brought the woman caught in adultery the Lord did not say "whoever has not committed adultery can cast the first stone". He said "whoever is without sin can cast the first stone". That is the rule for judgment, whoever is without sin can cast the first stone.

John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Deciding the woman was guilty of adultery was the judgment and it was a capital offense in that time, prior to the Savior fulfilling the old and bringing a new covenant. However, to be clear, saying adultery is a sin is not judging. IF a person commits adultery, that person has sinned. The judgment comes from God as He is the ultimate judge and decides what is a sin and what isn't. If anyone has an issue with saying murder, adultery, stealing, etc... is a sin, their issue isn't with the person stating the fact, it's with Heavenly Father.

Exodus 20:14 "You shall not commit adultery."