And You can see I also believe in eternal security but place emphasis we cause ourselves to fall, not from God.
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Heb 5~~11 About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing.
And here is puny little me trying to explain it! It just tells me these are some tough verses, and I better be careful to divide them.
I am saying this for myself, not anyone on this thread.
And here is puny little me trying to explain it! It just tells me these are some tough verses, and I better be careful to divide them.
I am saying this for myself, not anyone on this thread.
I am applying how it would be possible to fall away from God. Sin Nature is why people are doomed for LoF to begin with. Makes sense then that sin is what makes us fall away from God.
I don't believe that's why. I don't believe there is anything that can separate a believer from God once he or she is saved. You seem to be saying that a believer, through their actions, can. To me, that isn't eternal security.
If I have characterized your position correctly, I don't see how this is any different than making the believer responsible for maintaining their salvation.
I agree. If I fall, it's my fault. And if I don't come out of it, there is harsh discipline, suffering and possible death. He will just take me home and let someone else do the things that I should have done.
The only Glory he would get from me, is the fact that He still saved me. And I lost the opportunity to glorify Him in time.
I think believers overlook how tragic this really is. After salvation, there is a lot to lose if we don't continue in the faith.
I do not think You are wrong. The writer is explaining who Jesus is and it appears those listening/reading were not understanding who Jesus was, is.
When Jesus spoke and You heard Him and then followed Him. Do you think it's obvious Jesus gave a command like Follow Me, or Come? And You did?
I see. Which is why I originally asked what can separate us from the love of God. I don't believe anything can. Even we ourselves.
Do You think people are in Hell that God loved but honored their decisions to not follow Him? It seems God would only invite You if He loved you. But He is not making You follow Him.
I actually find your understanding to be acceptable. There is a lot to lose. Why I am bothered by those Verses in Hebrew. They did not seem to feel the same and fell away.
For God so loved the "world"... To some, this means everyone is saved. But Jesus said elsewhere, basically the saved are those who do the Father's Will. What all is God's Will?
“For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God"
“For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality.”
“For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people.”
“Give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.”
“Now may the God of peace… equip you with everything good that you may do his will, working in us that which is pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ.”
“For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God"
“For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality.”
“For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people.”
“Give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.”
“Now may the God of peace… equip you with everything good that you may do his will, working in us that which is pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ.”
Would you say that was your experience? I am curious about these things.
It was God Who spoke to me. When Jesus later appeared to me, He said not a word.
And yet I did very much feel that a question was being put to me.
Is your position that merely confessing we do sin is what verse 9 means? And that in doing so, all our sins are forgiven?
And as I posted earlier, I was employing the term unconfessed sin to juxtapose it to confessed sin. I never claimed it was in the Bible or that it was supported in scripture.
And my point was something you assent to...
there are sins that one has done they do not even know they have done, yet are saved, died, and did not confess those sins.This is not the answer some gave.
I also went on to show the reason from chapter 2 why this is so.
So as best as I can understand, you're not quibbling with my conclusion, but how I got there. Is this your point?
What I don't believe is that we can be separated from the love of God in Christ Jesus. And I do believe hell is a separation from God on a number of levels, including in Christ Jesus.
I am using the words of Jesus in the Gospel of John. He said His sheep hear and they follow.
I was about 8 years old. I remember having people all around me. I remember one saying, tell Jesus, yes. So, I kept saying yes. And I felt like someone else was there. I really believe I was saying yes to that someone. I just sobbed and sobbed. When it was over with I asked where did that someone go to. They just chuckled and said that was Jesus. I believed them then and still do as I type this.
I agree. Even the concept of an eternal burning hell was intended only for Satan. But we both know more than just Satan and the fallen Angels will be there. Don't you think those humans that end up with Satan and the Fallen Angels God loves?
I can't say God doesn't love people. But neither can I say that people in hell aren't separated from that love.