Can you please point to the scripture that says one can only worship on Sabbath in the temple in Jerusalem . Seems like you made a whole doctrine out of something not in scripture. When the apostles were planting churches they still kept the Sabbath even when there wasn’t a church built Acts 16:13. The Sabbath was kept at Creation in the garden I don’t recall any mention of a temple. Does God want His people in one flock and gathered together for worship like we will in heaven on the Sabbath Isa 66:22-23 He does, but nothing about it having it being in Jeresulm. He left that desolate for a reason, He ministers from a heavenly Temple now, not an earthy one and our bodies are a living temple which is why we need to keep it pure and away from sin.
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Nor are you my judge and I also thank God for that. God's Word is clear: we are not to put ourselves back
under the law as a born again Christian, nor can you even 100% keep the law though you think you can.
Jesus is my Sabbath rest. Thank you Jesus!
Jesus is my Sabbath rest.
under the law as a born again Christian, nor can you even 100% keep the law though you think you can.
Jesus is my Sabbath rest. Thank you Jesus!
Jesus is my Sabbath rest.
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Jesus said:
Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
Man was made first on the sixth day in the image of God Gen 1:26 right before the very first Sabbath Genesis 2:1-3
Jesus said:
Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
Man was made first on the sixth day in the image of God Gen 1:26 right before the very first Sabbath Genesis 2:1-3
You will not find one commandment for Christians to keep the Sabbath in the NT either.
Good luck with your double standard.
Matthew 11:28-30
Good luck with your double standard.
Matthew 11:28-30
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Hmmm, are you suggesting our first parents after they were created right before the first Sabbath that Jesus Said was made for them (man) rebelled against God on the first day. We have free will, but it’s not what I believe. They eventually listened to the other spirit instead of being faithful to God, but I do not believe they did that on the first Sabbath
Isn't that what you were implying when you wrote this?
"I believe it is quite insulting to God to take a day God made for work and labors and exalt it above the day He made holy, sanctified and blessed so He can spend time with us as we cannot sanctify ourselves, only God can. Ezekiel 20:12 He in His own Words tells us so.
Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.
Sunday worship came from the pagan tradition of sun worship in the third century. God calls that an abomination. Ezekiel 8:16-17 I believe the Sabbath is our test because it shows our loyalty to God the Creator and shows we are worshipping the One True God. Eze 20:20 the only God who has the power to Create and Sanctify the same God of Judgement Revelation 14:7 Just the Adam and Eve had a test in the Garden over a Tree. It's more than a day and its more than a tree, it is our allegiance and loyalty to God to obey Him the way He asked, not the way we want.
God is calling His people out of our false teachings Revelation 18:4 as we must worship Him in Truth and Spirit John 4:23-24 and Jesus in His own Word said when we keep traditions over obeying the commandments of God and quoted directly from the Ten Commandments, their heart is far from Him (opposite of the NC Heb 8:10) and one worships in vain."
"I believe it is quite insulting to God to take a day God made for work and labors and exalt it above the day He made holy, sanctified and blessed so He can spend time with us as we cannot sanctify ourselves, only God can. Ezekiel 20:12 He in His own Words tells us so.
Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.
Sunday worship came from the pagan tradition of sun worship in the third century. God calls that an abomination. Ezekiel 8:16-17 I believe the Sabbath is our test because it shows our loyalty to God the Creator and shows we are worshipping the One True God. Eze 20:20 the only God who has the power to Create and Sanctify the same God of Judgement Revelation 14:7 Just the Adam and Eve had a test in the Garden over a Tree. It's more than a day and its more than a tree, it is our allegiance and loyalty to God to obey Him the way He asked, not the way we want.
God is calling His people out of our false teachings Revelation 18:4 as we must worship Him in Truth and Spirit John 4:23-24 and Jesus in His own Word said when we keep traditions over obeying the commandments of God and quoted directly from the Ten Commandments, their heart is far from Him (opposite of the NC Heb 8:10) and one worships in vain."
So Adam and Eve rebelled against God on something that was made for them- the Sabbath is made for man. The greek word here means mankind. So when God hallowed the Sabbath Adam and Eve said no thanks, is that what you believe?
God’s Sabbath will never end, it started from the beginning and will be for eternity Isa 66:22-23 and can’t help but wonder those who don’t want to keep Sabbath worship now, will they be happy in heaven where it continues forever.
God’s Sabbath will never end, it started from the beginning and will be for eternity Isa 66:22-23 and can’t help but wonder those who don’t want to keep Sabbath worship now, will they be happy in heaven where it continues forever.
Jesus never broke the Sabbath- healing on the Sabbath is not secular work. Jesus broke the sabbath of the Pharisees, not the Sabbath in the 4th commandment which is not the same. This is what the Pharisees accused Jesus of as well breaking the Sabbath and not being God. This is what Jesus said about them…
John 8:46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
Need to run, take care and God bless.
John 8:46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
Need to run, take care and God bless.
Your overarching message is tied to the keeping of the law. But the message of the Bible isn't the law. The message of the Bible is about what God has done to reconcile sinful people to Himself.
The law does play a role in accomplishing this. But it is only a role...not the goal. And its fulfillment of this role actually leads us away from it and to Christ. This in no way diminishes the law itself. The problem is sinful flesh.
There are some incredible things that transpire in salvation. And there is a way to live free of sin. We become alive spiritually, but we retain our sinful flesh. This means we are not put back into the estate Adam began in. He had no propensity towards sin. So the law itself will continue to do as it did in our flesh before we were saved; that is, according to Romans 7, it will stir up in us the motions of sin. It creates in us a desire for sin.
Had God taken this propensity for sin away we would be again as Adam. The reason He didn't is because eventually we too would fall into sin. Instead, He made us partakers of the divine nature. Rather than have us begin afresh under a failed paradigm, He gave us a paradigm that cannot fail. God has taken upon Himself the task of keeping the law in and through us. We have no need to focus on the law. We need only respond to the leading of the Spirit. He can only lead us according to the law. This is where our focus should be...seeking the kingdom of God and His righteousness.
The focus on our part on the keeping of the law will only serve to cause us to desire sin. But the focus on the Spirit who focuses on the law for us will produce life in us.
The law does play a role in accomplishing this. But it is only a role...not the goal. And its fulfillment of this role actually leads us away from it and to Christ. This in no way diminishes the law itself. The problem is sinful flesh.
There are some incredible things that transpire in salvation. And there is a way to live free of sin. We become alive spiritually, but we retain our sinful flesh. This means we are not put back into the estate Adam began in. He had no propensity towards sin. So the law itself will continue to do as it did in our flesh before we were saved; that is, according to Romans 7, it will stir up in us the motions of sin. It creates in us a desire for sin.
Had God taken this propensity for sin away we would be again as Adam. The reason He didn't is because eventually we too would fall into sin. Instead, He made us partakers of the divine nature. Rather than have us begin afresh under a failed paradigm, He gave us a paradigm that cannot fail. God has taken upon Himself the task of keeping the law in and through us. We have no need to focus on the law. We need only respond to the leading of the Spirit. He can only lead us according to the law. This is where our focus should be...seeking the kingdom of God and His righteousness.
The focus on our part on the keeping of the law will only serve to cause us to desire sin. But the focus on the Spirit who focuses on the law for us will produce life in us.
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How could Adam sin if he had no propensity towards sin?
He was a natural man.
I need to go for a little walk. I'll be back!
He was a natural man.
I need to go for a little walk. I'll be back!
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