Obedient Woman

[1ofthem]

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No matter whether a thread is devoted to men loving their wives, or to
women obeying their husbands, it will become a food fight because of the
natural rivalry between the sexes.

Marriage is a difficult topic because when it comes to relationships, even
Christian people, of all ages, find it just about nigh impossible to be objective
instead of defensive.
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I don't know about that...I knew a guy who could explain how men should love their wives so well using scripture that almost all women were attracted to his thoughts on it.

And really if people were willing to study the scriptures to find out what marriage should be and everyone followed the scriptures pertaining to it then marriages would be much more blessed... instead of the difficult and argumentative thing that most people make it out to be.

 

[1ofthem]

I think all this goes back to power and control, which is different from natural rivalry. What if the husband wants the wife to take the vaccine, but she doesn't want it? It is part of human nature not to be controlled, man or woman.

And that is where the true problem lies...It shouldn't be about power and control. It should be about love and respect.

Some women may not like it, but scripture refers to the man as the head. And some men may not like it but Christ is their head...so as long as all things are done with putting God first and submitting to Him then there really should be no problems with power and control.

 

[JohnDB]

When scripture says that the husband is the head of a family...
It's a reference to the Patriarchal system which is one of advocacy and leadership by example. It's not dictatorial... never was until it came time to apostasize someone. (Kick them out of the family because of the needs of the entire family)

A patriarch didn't necessarily do all the work in the farm or go hunting or cook or clean. He did his fair share for sure...he didn't send hungry children off to their mother when they were hungry he, himself handed the kids an egg. (A treat)

I really don't get the whole gender war thingy here in America. Women are much more likely to leave a husband than a husband leave a wife. That's just the way things are today. Women today also are being caught taking advantage of guys by getting pregnant to access the guy's paycheck because of the court's favoritism.

A biblical role of the wife is one of equality and not subservience. Anything else is something else.

 

[Aaron56]

A while ago the circumstances in my wife’s life were quite turbulent. I enquired of the Lord what I could do for her. He said “Do whatever she asks of you quickly”. This was consistent with giving up my life for her sake. That was months ago and I’m still doing this, for her and the Lord.

 

[SophieT]

I understand. We may not agree on every point, and that is okay.

So much of what we think about gender roles is socially constructed rather than emphatically stated in scripture, so I am always searching the scripture to see if what we are being told about gender roles is true. This is what the Bereans did in Acts 17:11.

I was raised up in an Apostolic church, so I'm familiar with the idea that the husband is priest of the home.

But what verse tells us that the husband is priest of the home?

You said, "Women have never been priests according to scripture."

I would agree that in the Old Testament, the Israeli priests were a group of qualified MEN from within the tribe of Levites.

What does the New Testament say about the priesthood?

Just food for thought.

interesting reply

But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. I Peter 2:9

there's that verse in the NT about priesthood...so then you ask what is the function of priests

and from Revelation

And made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. Revelation 1:6

I don't think there is a verse saying that a man is the priest of the home...although I guess I have pretty much heard that most of my life.....probably an interpretation from all the verses that put men as the head of the home would be my guess and the fact that the OT priests were all men and the fact that Christ is also our High Priest...we know there were priests but only one high priest in the OT

you cannot find a verse specifying women as priests that I know of, other than a general applications such as the verse above

but yes, food for thought

 

[SophieT]

Those threads are rare to nonexistent.

right

we regularly get the ever so popular 'women must keep silent'

 

[SophieT]

Establishing Godly authority is NOT a physical battle

I would agree with that, but that is what we seem to get

 

[presidente]

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No matter whether a thread is devoted to men loving their wives, or to
women obeying their husbands, it will become a food fight because of the
natural rivalry between the sexes.

Marriage is a difficult topic because when it comes to relationships, even
Christian people, of all ages, find it just about nigh impossible to be objective
instead of defensive.
_

I think part of it is nature, and part of it is nurture. Our contemporary western culture is, in general, hostile toward the idea of wives submitting to their husbands. If these conversations were had 100 years ago, they might have gone differently. Of course, there was no Internet back then.

 

[presidente]

I got a notification since someone posted on the old thread.

A think a better theme than 'Obedient women' is 'Obedient wives.' We should all be obedient men, obedient girls (or obedient boys and girls) when it comes to the Lord.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

In Ephesians 5, wives submit to husbands comes first.

And in our Christian walk, each of us is to obey God, even if the other does not. A spouse's disobedience to God does not justify sin. In I Peter 3 wives of husbands who do not obey the word are also supposed to submit to their husbands.

This is why I urge young women to not rush into marriage. They really need to make sure that the man they want to bind themselves to are godly, loving God and putting Him first and know how to lead and be considerate as Jesus is considerate toward His bride.

This is why I'm not married. I really have a powerful fear of ending up with a guy that might not love God or might stop loving God along the way.

Jesus, I think, is my ideal and since I already have Him, I guess this is why I don't try very hard to look for a husband, lol!

 

[montana123]

I see obedience demanded in a woman throughout the Bible. It is in the Qur'an Surah 4:34. Do these works call for absolute obedience, or is there a burden on the male also to not be overbearing and mean?

When God made Eve she was a help mate so she has an input in the marriage.

The authority structure of God on Earth is God, Christ, man, woman, angels.

A man and a woman are equal in the Lord for the only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh, but the soul, and spirit, are the same, so when they put off the flesh, and receive a glorified body they are the same, which is why Jesus said they do not marry in heaven.

The world does not abide by the authority structure of God for they do not have Him in their life.

When the man is to be head of the woman as a husband he is supposed to lead in the ways of God, and not his own ways, so he has nowhere to glory, and she has an input in the marriage.

And her first commitment as a saint is to God to do what is right, so if her husband does not act Christlike she can say something as a saint to correct him for a man and a woman is equal in the Lord.

The world violates that authority structure which the man does not act appropriately towards the woman, or they battle with each other for control.

The man being head of the woman has to be done according to the ways of God, and if not then the man is out of order.

And the man is supposed to love his wife as Christ loves the Church.

It is not supposed to be I am the man so we will always do what I want, and you will do what I say because then they are not acting in accordance to leading in the ways of God.

And if it is any comfort to women the man is a servant to the woman for Jesus said whoever is the greater let them be a servant which Christ was a servant although He is the greatest of all, so if the man is the head of the woman then he is actually a servant of the woman.

 

[Dino246]

When God made Eve she was a help mate so she has an input in the marriage.

I strongly suggest you do some homework on the term behind what you call "a help mate" (that's a corruption of the actual term). It doesn't mean "having input". Not even remotely.

The authority structure of God on Earth is God, Christ, man, woman, angels.

Um, no. Firstly, because Jesus Christ is God; secondly, because no man has authority over every woman; and thirdly, because the angels don't function at human command, but at God's.

 

[Magenta]

Reflecting on the powerful words urging wives to submit and husbands to love in the context of marriage, I can't help but ponder if love and submission can truly be synonymous. The example of Sarah in the biblical context is intriguing, emphasizing doing what is right and not succumbing to fear.
However, if a husband claims to act 'in the name of love' yet inflicts torment, should the wife accept it as love in the sense of 'doing what is right'? It raises thought-provoking questions about the dynamics of love, fear, and the fine line between them.
Connecting this to the realm of online connections, it makes me consider the importance of mutual respect and understanding in relationships. Seeking a czechwife, or any partner, should be rooted in shared values and a genuine bond that goes beyond mere claims of love. How do you navigate these complexities in the quest for a meaningful connection? Share your thoughts!

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[Diakonos]

Um, no. Firstly, because Jesus Christ is God

Here, montana123 is using "God" to refer to the Father, Who is the head of Christ.

"God is the head of Christ" (1 Cor 11:3)

 

[timemeddler]

that's not the bible

 

[Magenta]

I strongly suggest you do some homework on the term behind what you call "a help mate"
(that's a corruption of the actual term). It doesn't mean "having input". Not even remotely.

This might help:

When Eve was made for Adam, the term used to describe her role was ezer kenegdo.

In Genesis 2:18, the word "helpmeet" does not occur. The Hebrew expression ezer kenegdo appears,
meaning "one who is the same as the other and who surrounds, protects, aids, helps, supports." The
combination of these two Hebrew words has two roots: `-z-r, meaning "to rescue, to save," and g-z-r,
meaning "to be strong." There is no indication of inferiority or of a secondary position in an hierarchical
separation of the male and female "spheres" of responsibility, authority, or social position.

Biblical use of the word ezer often refers to either God or military allies. In all other cases the one
giving the help is superior to the one receiving the help. Adding kenegdo (meet) modifies the meaning
to that of equal rather than superior status. Scripture is so awesome. God says just what He means.

The word ezer is used twice in the Old Testament to refer to the female and 14 times to refer to
God. For example, in the Psalms when David says, "The Lord is my Helper," he uses the word ezer.

 

[Dino246]

Here, montana123 is using "God" to refer to the Father, Who is the head of Christ.

"God is the head of Christ" (1 Cor 11:3)

Thanks… I’m aware of that.

 

[presidente]

When God made Eve she was a help mate so she has an input in the marriage.

The authority structure of God on Earth is God, Christ, man, woman, angels.

Hebrews says Christ was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death. We are not above angels now. But the sons of the resurrection will be equal to the angels, and Paul says 'know ye not that ye shall judge angels', so I assume some of us will be higher than at least some of them. I don't know where it says every angel will be lower ranked than every Christian.

I would change man to husband, woman to wife and remove angels from that last statement.

A man and a woman are equal in the Lord for the only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh, but the soul, and spirit, are the same, so when they put off the flesh, and receive a glorified body they are the same, which is why Jesus said they do not marry in heaven.

Americans and some other modern western folks are obsessed with the concept of equality. I do not know where the Bible says that men are equal to women or that all are equal. Jesus told His disciples that the greatest among them would be the servant of all. He said, "For one is your master, even Christ, but all ye are brethren.' I don't know where the Bible says all Christians or all people are equal. That idea is from Abraham Lincoln's famous speech.

It is not supposed to be I am the man so we will always do what I want, and you will do what I say because then they are not acting in accordance to leading in the ways of God.

According to I Peter 3, wives are to be subject to/submit to their own husbands, even to husbands who do not obey the word.

 

[uncle_mike]

[28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[presidente]

[28] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

How to interpret this? Would you marry a man? Does this support transgenderism? Does it mean that the scriptures that teach that wives must submit to their own husbands, including scriptures from this same author, are not true? Let's reject these liberal ideas.

There is a context here that has to do with being heirs according to the promise.

In the past, in order to convert to Judaism, a woman could become a slave of a Jew or the male head of her household could be circumcised. Now, women can become a part of the church without having to go through any man, except the Man Christ Jesus.