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Do you claim to be sinless? (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8-10)
1 John 3:10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
That's Revelation 14:12. Revelation 22:12 says - And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to everyone according to his work. Also see 1 Corinthians 3:11-15.
So, what does it mean to "keep" the commandments? The Greek word for "keep" is "tereo" which simply means guard, observe, watch over. 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. *This is descriptive of genuine believers. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. *This is descriptive of unbelievers.
Strong's Greek: 5083. τηρέω (téreó) -- to watch over, to guard
To "keep" His commandments does not mean flawlessly obey the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment) under the old covenant of law. This article below may be helpful for you.
Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast (nonsda.org)
Be sure to skip down to 5. What are the "Commandments of God"?
We are saved by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) yet according to the SDA gospel, we are saved by "grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9)
1 John 3:10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
That's Revelation 14:12. Revelation 22:12 says - And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to everyone according to his work. Also see 1 Corinthians 3:11-15.
So, what does it mean to "keep" the commandments? The Greek word for "keep" is "tereo" which simply means guard, observe, watch over. 1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (already know Him/already saved/demonstrative evidence) if we "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments. *This is descriptive of genuine believers. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, observe, watch over) His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. *This is descriptive of unbelievers.
Strong's Greek: 5083. τηρέω (téreó) -- to watch over, to guard
To "keep" His commandments does not mean flawlessly obey the 10 commandments (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th commandment) under the old covenant of law. This article below may be helpful for you.
Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast (nonsda.org)
Be sure to skip down to 5. What are the "Commandments of God"?
We are saved by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) yet according to the SDA gospel, we are saved by "grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9)
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James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one [point,] he is guilty of all.
the examples given in the text are both from Exodus 20 and Leviticus 19.
not one jot or tittle.
There is zero scriptural basis for you to break the law of the Sinai covenant apart into bits you can delete and bits you can't - but the believer in Christ, having died, is not under the law at all, but grace, not being lawless, but under Christ.
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one [point,] he is guilty of all.
the examples given in the text are both from Exodus 20 and Leviticus 19.
not one jot or tittle.
There is zero scriptural basis for you to break the law of the Sinai covenant apart into bits you can delete and bits you can't - but the believer in Christ, having died, is not under the law at all, but grace, not being lawless, but under Christ.
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Right in the Sabbath commandment it says its for everyone
Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Jesus said it was made for man and the Greek word here means mankind
Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
The Sabbath was created first Gen 2:1-3 Exodus 20:11 than the Sabbath. Jesus hallowed the Sabbath at Creation, but you think Adam and Eve said no thanks?
Isaiah 56:1 Thus says the Lord:
“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
6: “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant
If you do a study in scripture on the Sabbath, most have a thus saith the Lord, as you cannot get any greater Authority. Not once in all of scripture does it say we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment. The faithful followers of Jesus kept it faithfully in the NC Luke 23:56 the apostles kept every Sabbath faithfully Acts 13:42-44 Acts 18:4 Jesus kept the Sabbath faithfully Luke 4:16 John 15:10 God kept the Sabbath at Creation Exo 20:11 seems like the group to trust, especially since there is no scripture saying God sanctified any other day or made holy except the seventh day Sabbath. He deemed all other days work days Exo 20:9 not holy days. This is what God says when we do that again, thus saith the Lord.
Eze 22:26 Her priests have [a]violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.
The Sabbath is God's holy day He said so clearly Isa 58:13, Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:8-11 and no man has the authority to countermand God. Weare warned the Sabbath would be changed but not by God Dan 7:25 and we see history playing out this prophecy perfectly. We can either follow the majority or follow God. Jesus tells us which path to take, trust Him! Mat 5:19-13, Mark 7:7-8 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 19:17-19,Math 15:10 John 14:15 Exo 20:6
Lets quote the passage....
James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
Then James goes on to quote the law he is referring to...
11 For He who said,
He gives glory to God and is quoting God directly....
“Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
The whole law James is quoting from is the Ten Commandments. The bible applies principles. When they quote from the Ten it means all as they came in a unit of Ten Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 and you break one of these you break them all.
The He who said not to commit murder or adultery also said Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Breaking one of these commandments you break them all which has several parallel teachings. Mat 5:19-30 John 2:1-6, Rev 22:14-15
This is the He who said and what whole law James is quoting from. When God wrote and spoke the Ten Commandments, He added no more. Deut 5:22 this is a standalone unit God's holy and eternal law and what shows us our sin Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 and what we will be judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14
Exo 20 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
Then James goes on to quote the law he is referring to...
11 For He who said,
He gives glory to God and is quoting God directly....
“Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
The whole law James is quoting from is the Ten Commandments. The bible applies principles. When they quote from the Ten it means all as they came in a unit of Ten Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 and you break one of these you break them all.
The He who said not to commit murder or adultery also said Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Breaking one of these commandments you break them all which has several parallel teachings. Mat 5:19-30 John 2:1-6, Rev 22:14-15
This is the He who said and what whole law James is quoting from. When God wrote and spoke the Ten Commandments, He added no more. Deut 5:22 this is a standalone unit God's holy and eternal law and what shows us our sin Rom 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 and what we will be judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14
Exo 20 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
If SabbathBlessing is an SDA, then that explains a lot. I was once in a discussion years ago with an SDA on Christian Chat who made this statement to me below in blue:
The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.
His argument above culminates in "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" which is a different gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)
Also keep in mind that Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.
Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast (nonsda.org)
The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.
His argument above culminates in "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" which is a different gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)
Also keep in mind that Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.
Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast (nonsda.org)
I agree with you on Galatians. My SDA friends don't like to go to Galatians or Romans.
The early Church at Jerusalem "added to the church daily such as should be saved."
According to the SDA prophets, they would have been taking on the mark of the Beast.
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Yes He sure did, He took the penalty for sin, not took the law that defines sin i.e. The Ten Commandments. Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30 He died for us while we were still sinners but our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 not in sin. Jesus came not only to take the penalty of sin, but showed us the perfect way to live Hebrews 4:15 John 1:2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 And led by example. John 15:10 Luke 4:16 and teachings Mat 15:3-13, Mark 7:7-8 Mat 5:19-30, John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Mat 7 Jesus wants to change us from the inside out and through Him we can overcome sin, if we stumble along the way we have an Advocate in Him and if we repent and confess, He is faithful to cleanse of sin and all unrighteousness 1 John 1:9 and for sanctification. Sadly, many never take this step and accept His free gift. The Ten Commandments just show us our sin and our need for Jesus Romans 3:20. If we cover our sins we can’t prosper by going to Jesus to forgive and forsake and to receive His mercy and grace. Pro 28:13. Jesus wants to free us from the bondage of sin, why the Ten are called the law of liberty James 2:10-12
If I may add context to your post as I am going to refer to the plain teachings of Jesus who I trust to be the greatest Teacher of all and would know what the commandments of God are considering He is the Author.
No one is disputing what "keep" means but these verses are very specific keeping the commandments of God.
Right in the Ten Commandments that God personally wrote and personally spoke He defines this unit of Ten Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 as "My commandments" the "My" part is God so God named them right in the Ten. Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Jesus quotes directly from this same unit of Ten calling it the commandment of God and also interchangeably calling it the Word of God- see Mark 7. Lets take a look. . .
Matthew 15:3 He (Jesus) answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’;
What did Jesus just quote from- the Ten Commandments Exo 20:12 calling them the commandment of God- did Jesus misspeak?
He goes on to say....when we keep our rules over the commandment of God our hearts are far from Him (opposite of the NC Heb 8:10) and one worships in vain...
and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
This is the fruit of the saints according to scripture (true worship):
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
And if you don't trust His commandments are not from the Ten it spells it out for us, the last chapter in the bible once of the last verses before the Coming of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of them 1 John 2:4, James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30)
Our salvation is from sin, sin it the transgression of God's law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30
There is a real spiritual war going on with our souls. The devil goes to war with those who keep the commandments of God Rev 12:17 just curious does it ever bother anyone why this much contempt for something God wrote, and God spoke, and He is perfect therefore His law is perfect Psa 19:17. Its sad the moral decline we have come as a nation to have this much contempt for something so pure written personally from God. Jesus condemned those who kept their rules over the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments. Mat 15:3-9 I wonder if anyone ever takes a step back to reflect which side, they really are on. Scripture warns us when we go away form the truth one will receive strong delusion. God says all His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 and when we don't keep the commandments there is no truth in us 1 John 2:4. It seems so obvious to me we should obey God the way He asks, the example Jesus left, 1 John 2:6 Hebrews 4:15 1 Peter 2:21-22 how He lived John 15:10 Luke 4:16 what He taught Mat 5:17-30 Mat 15:3-9 Mat 19:17-19 John 15:10 John 14:15 Exo 20:6, Jesus would never lead us down the wrong path only teaching us what leads to reconciliation Rev 22:14
We are not saved by law keeping, we are saved by grace through faith. Keeping God's law is a result of faith.
No one is disputing what "keep" means but these verses are very specific keeping the commandments of God.
Right in the Ten Commandments that God personally wrote and personally spoke He defines this unit of Ten Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 as "My commandments" the "My" part is God so God named them right in the Ten. Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Jesus quotes directly from this same unit of Ten calling it the commandment of God and also interchangeably calling it the Word of God- see Mark 7. Lets take a look. . .
Matthew 15:3 He (Jesus) answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’;
What did Jesus just quote from- the Ten Commandments Exo 20:12 calling them the commandment of God- did Jesus misspeak?
He goes on to say....when we keep our rules over the commandment of God our hearts are far from Him (opposite of the NC Heb 8:10) and one worships in vain...
and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father [a]or mother.’ Thus you have made the [b]commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘These people [c]draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”
This is the fruit of the saints according to scripture (true worship):
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
And if you don't trust His commandments are not from the Ten it spells it out for us, the last chapter in the bible once of the last verses before the Coming of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of them 1 John 2:4, James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30)
Our salvation is from sin, sin it the transgression of God's law 1 John 3:4 Romans 7:7 Mat 5:19-30
There is a real spiritual war going on with our souls. The devil goes to war with those who keep the commandments of God Rev 12:17 just curious does it ever bother anyone why this much contempt for something God wrote, and God spoke, and He is perfect therefore His law is perfect Psa 19:17. Its sad the moral decline we have come as a nation to have this much contempt for something so pure written personally from God. Jesus condemned those who kept their rules over the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments. Mat 15:3-9 I wonder if anyone ever takes a step back to reflect which side, they really are on. Scripture warns us when we go away form the truth one will receive strong delusion. God says all His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151 and when we don't keep the commandments there is no truth in us 1 John 2:4. It seems so obvious to me we should obey God the way He asks, the example Jesus left, 1 John 2:6 Hebrews 4:15 1 Peter 2:21-22 how He lived John 15:10 Luke 4:16 what He taught Mat 5:17-30 Mat 15:3-9 Mat 19:17-19 John 15:10 John 14:15 Exo 20:6, Jesus would never lead us down the wrong path only teaching us what leads to reconciliation Rev 22:14
We are not saved by law keeping, we are saved by grace through faith. Keeping God's law is a result of faith.
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This is a very strange question. It seems as though you are pitting Jesus against His own Word.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
The apostles never contradicted Jesus in their teachings but if you can't discern the harmony in their teachings believe the very Words of Jesus.
Matthew 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
The apostles never contradicted Jesus in their teachings but if you can't discern the harmony in their teachings believe the very Words of Jesus.
Matthew 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
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James 2:4 refers to Leviticus 19:15 and is the central objection the entire chapter chides the letters recipients over. it is reiterated in verse 9.
James 2:8 gives the command he says they should be keeping, and refers to the authority of Christ ((Who called it alone "My commandment" in John 15:12)) by calling it "royal" - which is written in Leviticus 19:34.
James 2:11 is merely parenthetical, not the scope of his argument. he gives two of the decalogue as example that God Who gave one commandment in the Law gave the whole Law.
James 2:12 wraps up his rebuke saying not that they are judged by the decalogue but by "the law of liberty" which is an implicit reference to the new covenant as explained in Romans 7 — they are not under the law, but grace, and should therefore walk righteously.
the specific thing he rebukes them over is partiality in judgement. this is not the 10 Commandments. it is in that context he says stumbling in any part of the law makes one guilty of the whole law.
so i think you are intellectually dishonest to claim this is only about the decalogue and even more dishonest to claim the rest of the Law doesn't matter.
James 2:8 gives the command he says they should be keeping, and refers to the authority of Christ ((Who called it alone "My commandment" in John 15:12)) by calling it "royal" - which is written in Leviticus 19:34.
James 2:11 is merely parenthetical, not the scope of his argument. he gives two of the decalogue as example that God Who gave one commandment in the Law gave the whole Law.
James 2:12 wraps up his rebuke saying not that they are judged by the decalogue but by "the law of liberty" which is an implicit reference to the new covenant as explained in Romans 7 — they are not under the law, but grace, and should therefore walk righteously.
the specific thing he rebukes them over is partiality in judgement. this is not the 10 Commandments. it is in that context he says stumbling in any part of the law makes one guilty of the whole law.
so i think you are intellectually dishonest to claim this is only about the decalogue and even more dishonest to claim the rest of the Law doesn't matter.
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