Israel Declares War

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God’s Word to make this passage seem it is against Israel, rather than the Ammonites, by omitting verses of the passage.
You just failed to read it all, the term "Israel" was used more than once
You only refer to what you want to while failing to read the entire string of verses. As I posted, , the term "Israel" was used more than once
prophesy against the land of Israel,
And say to the land of Israel,
it shall be upon all the princes of Israel
And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel

Need I say more--?

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Much like the NATO/Russia conflict you have very limited understanding of the history/geo political/economics of this war, so it is a great challenge for me to even begin to explain it you.
Please enlighten me. I have a high school education, tertiary qualifications in electronics, radio and radar. I am 72. I lived in Aden briefly as a child. I've a certain amount of knowledge just from being alive so long. I have studied the history of modern Israel and read the account of the 1948 war by Derek Prince, who was living in Jerusalem when Independence was declared. So please tell me what I have missed.
 
Please enlighten me.
FIRST ACTS OF TERRORISM, COINING THE PHRASE

Hagana, Irgun and Stern gangs who threw bombs into buses, assassinated British and other officials and murdered Palestinians way before the Palestinians retaliated in kind. (what goes around comes around)https://rense.com//general21/pastzionist.htm

.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem,.,.,killing or injuring more than 200 persons.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa ; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.
March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.

If this doesn’t sicken you then you are part of the problem.

But don’t just reject or accept what I have posted.

Google “Israel shooting children”
Google “Israel illegal settlements”
Google “Israel destroys Palestinian fishing boats.

Last but not the least, Zionists used terrorism to get a "State".,....IT WORKED
Once done, come back and try to defend what you saw/read------
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FIRST ACTS OF TERRORISM, COINING THE PHRASE

Hagana, Irgun and Stern gangs who threw bombs into buses, assassinated British and other officials and murdered Palestinians way before the Palestinians retaliated in kind. (what goes around comes around)https://rense.com//general21/pastzionist.htm

.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem,.,.,killing or injuring more than 200 persons.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa ; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~January 7, 1948. Seventeen Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, 3 of them while trying to escape. Further casualties, including the murder of a British officer near Hebron, were reported from different parts of the country.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.
March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~April 16, 1948. Zionists attacked the former British army camp at Tel Litvinsky, killing 90 Arabs there.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.
.,.,.,.,.,.,..~~~~May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.

If this doesn’t sicken you then you are part of the problem.

But don’t just reject or accept what I have posted.

Google “Israel shooting children”
Google “Israel illegal settlements”
Google “Israel destroys Palestinian fishing boats.

Last but not the least, Zionists used terrorism to get a "State".,....IT WORKED
Once done, come back and try to defend what you saw/read------
:)-
I'm not defending the Irgun terrorists. They were as wrong then as Hamas is now. I'm English, by the way. I believe that the British handled the Palestine situation badly. That does not excuse Irgun. Perhaps the extermination of 6 million Jews upset the survivors somewhat. The British were hindering the establishment of Israel. That does not excuse Irgun, but it had the desired result. The British gave up and went home.

So Israel was able to declare independence in May 1948. This was in accordance with a UN resolution and according to OT prophecy. God restored Israel, not man. Gaza was controlled by Israel up until 2005. Israel pulled out and removed Israeli settlers. Gaza had a working economy. The world has poured billions in to Gaza, only God knows why. The UN funded schools (read American funded) teach anti Israel propaganda to children. Hamas has used the money to make the leaders obscenely rich and to build its military. Concrete for civil construction was diverted to Hamas to create the tunnel network. Every Israeli attack has been in response to attacks from Gaza.

You have not addressed the point that the Arab nations attacked Israel the moment that independence was declared. Israel was left to fend for itself. America recognised the state of Israel first. Most Muslim states do not recognise Israel to this day. The idea that Palestinians were driven out of Israel is false. They were encouraged by the "fab five" Muslim attackers, who fully expected to destroy Israel so Palestinians could return to the one, Muslim state. Did you know that 25% of Israel's population is Arab? Most of those are Muslim. They can vote, own property, run for parliament, work and travel like any other Israeli citizen. They did not leave when Israel declared independence. I note that Jews have been driven out of almost every Muslim country. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Israel has its fair share of social problems. It is far from perfect. Compared to most Muslim countries, it is paradise.

It is the world system, you know, the one controlled by Satan, that has decided that the West Bank does not belong to Israel. That is false. There are 3 zones in the West Bank. One is Israeli, one is exclusively Palestinian and one is a shared zone. This is according to the Oslo accords. That peace plan fell over due to Palestinian intransigence. Situation normal.

Palestinians mostly reject a two state solution. I don't know how you deal with a situation like this. However, criticising and condemning Israel for defending itself is not the answer. So far, no one else has come up with a workable solution either.
 

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The idea that Palestinians were driven out of Israel is false. .
This is historically not true. It's just as crazy as telling living Jews that were in concentration camps that the holocaust didn't really happen. We have Jews and Palestinians living today who share their stories. I've heard an Israeli Jew express his guilt in an interview because Israel kicked out the Palestinians of their home so that his family could take their place. I've seen interviews of Palestinians who testify that their family was murdered and the survivors fled their homes. These were children then and are now senior citizens.

You must think the majority of the world is in on this conspiracy. You probably don't even realize Palestinians are currently being kicked out of their homes now in the West Bank and East Jerusalem so that illegal Israeli settlers can move into them. There is video evidence of this for goodness sake!
 

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@Gideon300 in case you're wondering why Israel would do this... Israel wanted to create a democracy for Jews. If Jews only made up 6% of the population when Israel was created, how could they then have a democracy that favors the Jews? Well, they had to murder, displace, and terrorize Palestinians to leave and never come back. By replacing Palestinians with European Jews and moving them into Palestinian homes, they were able to create the majority so that they could implement a democracy for Jews.

I know you're going to deflect and ignore all this and just focus on the war with the Arab nations as if that justifies what Israel did to the Palestinians.
 

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You just failed to read it all, the term "Israel" was used more than once
You only refer to what you want to while failing to read the entire string of verses. As I posted, , the term "Israel" was used more than once
prophesy against the land of Israel,
And say to the land of Israel,
it shall be upon all the princes of Israel
And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel

Need I say more--?

:)-
No. You attempted to deceive people.

Insanely easy to prove.

You posted the whole passage several times.

Each time omitting the verses that say it is the AMMONITES that will never rise again, not Israel.

The previous verses deal with Israel. But your blind hatred of the Jews has led you to alter God’s Word. Not gonna turn out well for those do that.
 

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This is historically not true. It's just as crazy as telling living Jews that were in concentration camps that the holocaust didn't really happen. We have Jews and Palestinians living today who share their stories. I've heard an Israeli Jew express his guilt in an interview because Israel kicked out the Palestinians of their home so that his family could take their place. I've seen interviews of Palestinians who testify that their family was murdered and the survivors fled their homes. These were children then and are now senior citizens.

You must think the majority of the world is in on this conspiracy. You probably don't even realize Palestinians are currently being kicked out of their homes now in the West Bank and East Jerusalem so that illegal Israeli settlers can move into them. There is video evidence of this for goodness sake!
The West bank is disputed territory. Perhaps you know that Christians are being forced out of their homes in Nazareth also. By Muslims. Palestinians who murder Jews get paid by the Palestinian Authority. "Pay to slay" it's called. And that is funded by Western taxpayers. If the terrorist is killed, his family gets a stipend for life. If he is imprisoned, he is paid according to the sentence. It's not exactly conducive to harmonious relations between Jews and Palestinians. No doubt there is wrongdoing by both sides, However, one side is determined to destroy the other completely. The other side could destroy the opposition completely without raising a sweat. They choose not to. I'll let you guess which is which.
 

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Ridiculous you say? No, but it is an accurate assessment.
If you want to redeem yourself, I ask you to correctly exegete these passages as it relates to Zech 12:10 and Hos 6:1-2 (and many other parallel passages).
That is if you are able.

Luk 2:25
And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

Luk 2:26
And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

It is known as the "Simeon prophecy" BTW. Proof positive that Israel will doubtless exist/survive all the way to the end of the age, and THRU the 70th week future tribulation to see their Messiah. Of course you would need to first understand the first Simeon predicament of Genesis 42. As well as the other Simeons of Scripture.
 

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The West bank is disputed territory. Perhaps you know that Christians are being forced out of their homes in Nazareth also. By Muslims. Palestinians who murder Jews get paid by the Palestinian Authority. "Pay to slay" it's called. And that is funded by Western taxpayers. If the terrorist is killed, his family gets a stipend for life. If he is imprisoned, he is paid according to the sentence. It's not exactly conducive to harmonious relations between Jews and Palestinians. No doubt there is wrongdoing by both sides, However, one side is determined to destroy the other completely. The other side could destroy the opposition completely without raising a sweat. They choose not to. I'll let you guess which is which.
The West Bank is disputed territory? It's no more disputed than your home would be if someone broke into it and claimed it. No state in the world recognizes Israel's sovereignty over the West Bank... not even the US. The same goes for East Jerusalem.
 

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No state in the world recognizes Israel's sovereignty over the West Bank... not even the US.
Should Israel care? Should Israel give a hoot, knowing that the world has ganged up on Israel? Israel possessed the West Bank at one time. And God gave Israel the land of Israel.
 

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Palestinians mostly reject a two state solution.
Why? Because they do not even want Israel to exist. So it is either Palestine for Israel or Palestine for the Arabs in Palestine. there is no middle ground. At the same time Muslim radicals are waging Jihad against the West. They want the world under Islam. And the silly Western politicians are handing it to them. How is it that anti-Semitism is now the ideology of the Leftists in the West? Because DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) excludes everyone who is not Black.
 

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Why? Because they do not even want Israel to exist. So it is either Palestine for Israel or Palestine for the Arabs in Palestine. there is no middle ground. At the same time Muslim radicals are waging Jihad against the West. They want the world under Islam. And the silly Western politicians are handing it to them. How is it that anti-Semitism is now the ideology of the Leftists in the West? Because DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) excludes everyone who is not Black.
Absolutely. The god of this world blinds those who are perishing. God is not mocked. A Turkish parliamentarian called down Allah's (aka Satan) curses on Israel. He suffered a heart attack shortly after.
 
No. You attempted to deceive people.
Each time omitting the verses that say it is the AMMONITES that will never rise again, not Israel.
Ammonites were marine animals belonging to the phylum Mollusca and the class Cephalopoda. They had a coiled external shell similar to that of the modern nautilus. In other living cephalopods, e.g. octopus, squid and cuttlefish, the shells are small and internal, or absent.
The previous verses deal with Israel. But your blind hatred of the Jews has led you to alter God’s Word. Not gonna turn out well for those do that.
No one that I know of “hate” the “Jews”.

There are over 6 million Jews living in Europe.
There are over 6 million Jews living in the USA.


Many actors in the entertainment community are Jews.

What some are beginning to detest, loath and find disgusting are the Israeli’s who continuously lie, murder and steal which are all violations of the Ten Commandments.

The term Jew is being misused, these people are not Jews, they are Israelis.

They are not one and the same.
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Ammonites were marine animals belonging to the phylum Mollusca and the class Cephalopoda. They had a coiled external shell similar to that of the modern nautilus. In other living cephalopods, e.g. octopus, squid and cuttlefish, the shells are small and internal, or absent.

No one that I know of “hate” the “Jews”.

There are over 6 million Jews living in Europe.
There are over 6 million Jews living in the USA.


Many actors in the entertainment community are Jews.

What some are beginning to detest, loath and find disgusting are the Israeli’s who continuously lie, murder and steal which are all violations of the Ten Commandments.

The term Jew is being misused, these people are not Jews, they are Israelis.

They are not one and the same.
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Ridiculous on every level.

The Ammonites were descended from Lot and his daughter. Not some beyond silly sea creature.

Plus, you’re lying. Why would you post every verse but those from the whole chapter?

Because it doesn’t support your hatred of Jews. That’s why.
 
I'm not defending the Irgun terrorists.
You seem to be leaving out the "Hagannah" terrorists.
Haganah (Hebrew: הַהֲגָנָה ha-Haganah, lit. 'The Defense') was the main Zionist paramilitary organization that operated for the Yishuv in the British Mandate for Palestine. It was founded in 1920 to defend the Yishuv's presence in the region, and was formally disbanded in 1948, when it became the core force integrated into the Israel Defense Forces shortly after the Israeli Declaration of Independence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah

In short, the Hagannah terrorist group was transformed into the “IDF”. Israel Defense Force.
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I congratulate you on your long post. This must have taken you a long time to compose.
Still it amounts say~~~ bla.,,,,.,,.bla.,,,,.,,.bla.,,,,.,,.bla.,,,,.,,.bla.,,,,.,,.bla.,,,,.,,.bla.,,,,.,,.bla.,,,,.,,.bla.,,,,.,,.bla.,,,,.,,.bla.,,,,.,,.bla.,,,,.,,.bla; then I farted :)-
 
Ridiculous on every level. .
Your reading comprehension is not my doing.

The Ammonites were descended from Lot and his daughter. Not some beyond silly sea creature..
I tried to google the term and I got the ancient sea shell. Help me out here, provide a valied ling to support your view.
Plus, you’re lying. Why would you post every verse but those from the whole chapter?
Because sea shells was not the point I was trying to make.

Because it doesn’t support your hatred of Jews. That’s why.
Again, I do not hate anyone, including the Jewish people or the Muslim people, not even the Eskimos.

But you pinhead, my sweet plump dumpling I am beginning to believe you are a misguided child that needs to have your diaper changed which is about two (2) weeks overdue.
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