The Security Of The Believer

[JimmyTheLock]

We've been resurrected with Christ into freedom... old bondages broken and a freedom to do whatever we care to do. He asks to, in that freedom, follow Him and experience Life to the fullest.

Or go back to the yoke of sin.

And going back under the yoke of sin... causes one to lose their salvation because they turned away from the Lord.

Romans 11:21,22
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

 

[Kroogz]

But you say if we do not do it. We lose salvation.

Its the same difference wither we do it before or after

if we are doing it to be saved, we are teaching a works based gospel. we are under law not Grace.

Grace is a hard concept for our puny human minds. IMO, the truth of," All believers will enter the Kingdom but not all will inherit the Kingdom" gets lost in the idea that we are forever struggling to get or maintain salvation.

We lose out on the Christian way of life, our rewards, our inheritance and His life for us if we are stuck on salvation. We can't run the race, we are stuck at the starting line.

Religion can't distinguish between salvation and sanctification. Saved. Period. Now run the race, no need to look back for salvation.

Do not quench the Spirit.
Do not grieve the Spirit.
Walk in the Spirit.
Be filled with the Spirit. 1 John 1:9 if needed. Most of the time we all need it.

 

[Cameron143]

God tells us to pray with out ceasing..

How often should we confess? anytime we are confronted with a sin. God lets us know when we sin. He even chastens us for it (if we are his children)

So how often is it that you confess?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

i am not discussing maintaining anything.
i am saying, why are we not obeying Jesus?
He said do these things.
so, why are we refusing to do them?

remember, my FIRST POST in this Thread, is all about Quenching the Spirit.
that is my focus for the entire Thread.

this is all i have been discussing.

but people, who are UNABLE to pay ATTENTION, have attempted to bastardize what i am saying because of their personal LAW they OBEY.

and i ain't even talking about none of that baloney.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Grace is a hard concept for our puny human minds. IMO, the truth of," All believers will enter the Kingdom but not all will inherit the Kingdom" gets lost in the idea that we are forever struggling to get or maintain salvation.

We lose out on the Christian way of life, our rewards, our inheritance and His life for us if we are stuck on salvation. We can't run the race, we are stuck at the starting line.

Religion can't distinguish between salvation and sanctification. Saved. Period. Now run the race, no need to look back for salvation.

Do not quench the Spirit.
Do not grieve the Spirit.
Walk in the Spirit.
Be filled with the Spirit. 1 John 1:9 if needed. Most of the time we all need it.

It makes you wonder how they can ever do something for God if they are worried about what sin they are committing so they can confess it.. Or repent of it

 

[Cameron143]

i am not discussing maintaining anything.
i am saying, why are we not obeying Jesus?
He said do these things.
so, why are we refusing to do them?

remember, my FIRST POST in this Thread, is all about Quenching the Spirit.
that is my focus for the entire Thread.

Right. But it is not the subject of the thread and people are naturally confused.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

So how often is it that you confess?

When God confronts me with a sin

I do not go around all hours of the day trying to figure out what sin I may or not be doing so i can hurry up and confess it.

And if I am living a lifestyle of sin day after day after day I better question my salvation. Because God said I cannot do that because I have been born of Him.

I grew up in a legalistic system, i kept seeing good people fall. And walk away. I never could understand until My eyes were opened. And I saw. They want us to do something we can not do..

so we have to do one of a few things

1. hide the sins we struggle with instead of confess them
2. Lie to ourselves and water down the law. Denying they are even sin
3. attack others who are worse sinners than us so we can look better
4. Give up and walk away

thats what legalism does to a person

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Right. But it is not the subject of the thread and people are naturally confused.

Because he focuses on quenching the spirit. And not the fact we are sealed until resurrection day.

The subjects is the security of the believer thats the OP title

 

[Magenta]

And going back under the yoke of sin... causes one to lose their salvation because they turned away from the Lord.

Are you under the yoke of sin if you need to be confessing sins daily?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

this is all i have been discussing.

but people, who are UNABLE to pay ATTENTION, have attempted to bastardize what i am saying because of their personal LAW they OBEY.

and i ain't even talking about none of that baloney.

What personal law?

I have not seen anyone talk about a personal law.

The thread is about the security of the believers. Thats WHAT we ARE DISCUSSING.

are we secure, or are we not. If not. Why are we not secure..

quenchiing the spirit has NOTHING to do with a believers security, because the author said we are sealed until the day of redemption.. THAT is where the believers security lies in, The Spirit. not what we do or do not do

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Right. But it is not the subject of the thread and people are naturally confused.

it's what i directed to the Creator of the Thread.

So, it really is only a Discussion between them and myself.

everyone else chose to jump in and twist it and here we are.

 

[Cameron143]

When God confronts me with a sin

I do not go around all hours of the day trying to figure out what sin I may or not be doing so i can hurry up and confess it.

And if I am living a lifestyle of sin day after day after day I better question my salvation. Because God said I cannot do that because I have been born of Him.

I grew up in a legalistic system, i kept seeing good people fall. And walk away. I never could understand until My eyes were opened. And I saw. They want us to do something we can not do..

so we have to do one of a few things

1. hide the sins we struggle with instead of confess them
2. Lie to ourselves and water down the law. Denying they are even sin
3. attack others who are worse sinners than us so we can look better
4. Give up and walk away

thats what legalism does to a person

I understand and I'm not saying that isn't the correct way. But because we sin often, we need to confess often.
Everyone sins daily, and multiples of times daily. So if someone is truly being led of the Lord as much as they profess, they will be confessing often.
The truth is, we are less sensitive to our sins than we think. This is why we are to judge ourselves. And why the Spirit must impress this reality upon us.

 

[Cameron143]

it's what i directed to the Creator of the Thread.

So, it really is only a Discussion between them and myself.

everyone else chose to jump in and twist it and here we are.

Ok. But you know how it gets here.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I understand and I'm not saying that isn't the correct way. But because we sin often, we need to confess often.
Everyone sins daily, and multiples of times daily. So if someone is truly being led of the Lord as much as they profess, they will be confessing often.
The truth is, we are less sensitive to our sins than we think. This is why we are to judge ourselves. And why the Spirit must impress this reality upon us.

Ok I see

But we should be focusing on others. Not ourselves.. if we are doing this, we are not sinning..

I disagree that we sin daily

But if we are seeking after the things of the spirit. And we mess up (like we get cut off the road and get mad for a minute) While it is sin I doubt we will remember this when we get to where we are going.. Now I have confessed while I have done it. But i am sure I have not confessed every time..

God is not going to strike me down because I did not confess that sin..

 

[Kroogz]

="Everlasting-Grace, post: 5200403, member: 312779"]It makes you wonder how they can ever do something for God if they are worried about what sin they are committing so they can confess it.. Or repent of it

I can relate and cannot judge. I was stuck in religion for a long time. And now know that all of my "works" were wood, hay and stubble.

Then came along a Grace pastor teacher. Wow.

Divine good and human good.
^ ^
Good evil

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Ok. But you know how it gets here.

He did not even open the op. He made a statement about quenching the spirit. And said how can we teach security if we are told we can quench the spirit.

His premise was wrong. because he ignored the words we are sealed until the day of redemption. And focused on quenching the spirit.

This has been the discussion between him and others since then.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I can relate and cannot judge. I was stuck in religion for a long time. And now know that all of my "works" were wood, hay and stubble.

Then came along a Grace pastor teacher. Wow.

Divine good and human good.
^ ^
Good evil

all things are lawful. but not all things are profitable..

a hard lesson to learn

 

[Jimbone]

Are you under the yoke of sin if you need to be confessing sins daily?

It's impossible for them to see this it seems. It's like they can't comprehend the burden they heap upon themselves. I'm not sure how much more plainly it can be said to them. It goes right over their heads so far it makes me personally wonder how on earth either of them have experienced the TRUE power of our Creator through the gift of salvation that Jesus gives us. I've read so much of this debate here on CC that I know they've been told with grace, in truth, and easy to understand, yet they guard their precious "power to obey" above our Kings glory. They're blind to the truth that they are trying to boast about what He does. I like to jump in from time to time to talk to some people, but I'm not even going to try to reason with these almost cult like, stiff necked, God's power denying, works righteousness selling, and very confused people anymore until they change tone and/or find some humility.

 

[Cameron143]

Ok I see

But we should be focusing on others. Not ourselves.. if we are doing this, we are not sinning..

I disagree that we sin daily

But if we are seeking after the things of the spirit. And we mess up (like we get cut off the road and get mad for a minute) While it is sin I doubt we will remember this when we get to where we are going.. Now I have confessed while I have done it. But i am sure I have not confessed every time..

God is not going to strike me down because I did not confess that sin..

I disagree about sin, but ok on the rest. And I agree we don't lose our salvation because we sin.

 

[Kroogz]

[/QUOTE] I have confessed while I have done it. But i am sure I have not confessed every time..

God is not going to strike me down because I did not confess that sin..[/QUOTE]

I believe that God has this covered in 1 John 1:9-- If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins(Our known confessed sins) and purify us from all unrighteousness.(our unknown/forgotten/ignorant sins)

I also believe that "and purify us from all unrighteousness" pertains to the human good(evil) we may have done outside of being filled with the Spirit.