Israel Declares War
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People lie. That is where I am going with this.
Have innocent people been killed? Maybe. Would I characterize the people at a pagan ceremony on October 7th as "innocent"? Could you characterize people in Israel on the border with Gaza who didn't even have guns in their homes as "innocent"? Naive maybe, but probably not innocent. Likewise can you characterize hospital workers working in a hospital that doubles as a Hamas command center as innocent? No. Can you call Palestinians who live in the midst of Hamas fighters who are dedicated from birth to the genocide of Israel as innocent? No. Some of the parents may not have actively taught their kids to hate the Jews, but they sure didn't stop it when they had to know it was going on. The majority of Palestinians have left the area, something like 5 million live outside of Gaza and 2 million live inside. That tells me that for the last 75 years there has been a process of separating out the wheat from the chaff. The majority of Palestinians are not murderers and killers, that is why they left.
What I do know for a fact is that people lie. People trying to justify their actions lie. That is true of Israel and it is especially true of terrorists and those who are supporting terrorists. Gaza is poor and powerless, but Iran and the Muslim brotherhood supporting Hamas are not. They are liars, the father of lies, and they have access to all the major news networks and the platforms on the internet. There is absolutely no way that Israel can fight Hamas without them lying and complaining and slandering. The best lies are based on fact and truth, so no doubt there is some truth to their lies, but it is presented in the ugliest and most slanderous way possible. When Satan complains and lies he will disguise himself as an angel of light.
Have innocent people been killed? Maybe. Would I characterize the people at a pagan ceremony on October 7th as "innocent"? Could you characterize people in Israel on the border with Gaza who didn't even have guns in their homes as "innocent"? Naive maybe, but probably not innocent. Likewise can you characterize hospital workers working in a hospital that doubles as a Hamas command center as innocent? No. Can you call Palestinians who live in the midst of Hamas fighters who are dedicated from birth to the genocide of Israel as innocent? No. Some of the parents may not have actively taught their kids to hate the Jews, but they sure didn't stop it when they had to know it was going on. The majority of Palestinians have left the area, something like 5 million live outside of Gaza and 2 million live inside. That tells me that for the last 75 years there has been a process of separating out the wheat from the chaff. The majority of Palestinians are not murderers and killers, that is why they left.
What I do know for a fact is that people lie. People trying to justify their actions lie. That is true of Israel and it is especially true of terrorists and those who are supporting terrorists. Gaza is poor and powerless, but Iran and the Muslim brotherhood supporting Hamas are not. They are liars, the father of lies, and they have access to all the major news networks and the platforms on the internet. There is absolutely no way that Israel can fight Hamas without them lying and complaining and slandering. The best lies are based on fact and truth, so no doubt there is some truth to their lies, but it is presented in the ugliest and most slanderous way possible. When Satan complains and lies he will disguise himself as an angel of light.
So you think it's a game to call out Israel for settling on occupied land which is a war crime? How convenient you "don't want to play" because you know that is exactly what Israel has been doing and refuse to condemn it. You're allergic to anything that holds Israel accountable and accuse the person of being antisemitic for it.
Great, now you are contradicting yourself though. Israel, Jew, and Zionist are not all the same. Not everyone in Israel is a Jew or a Zionist. Not all Zionists are Jews or even Israeli. Yet, you get emotional when someone distinguishes between them for some reason?
Not really grasping when you're literally using the Democrat playbook. You accuse people who disagree with you as being antisemitic which is a form of racism seeing as Jews are an ethnoreligious group of people. I'm not sure why you're pretending you aren't using their playbook though...
1.) Hostility and personal attacks to anyone who disagrees with you.
2.) Call people antisemitic/racist for pointing out historical facts which condemn Israel (Democrats).
3.) Refuse to admit Israel (Biden) could do any wrong.
Great, now you are contradicting yourself though. Israel, Jew, and Zionist are not all the same. Not everyone in Israel is a Jew or a Zionist. Not all Zionists are Jews or even Israeli. Yet, you get emotional when someone distinguishes between them for some reason?
Not really grasping when you're literally using the Democrat playbook. You accuse people who disagree with you as being antisemitic which is a form of racism seeing as Jews are an ethnoreligious group of people. I'm not sure why you're pretending you aren't using their playbook though...
1.) Hostility and personal attacks to anyone who disagrees with you.
2.) Call people antisemitic/racist for pointing out historical facts which condemn Israel (Democrats).
3.) Refuse to admit Israel (Biden) could do any wrong.
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Kinda weird treatment if you want to "genocide" a people!
Definitely, Israel has followed the rules of the world to the very best of their ability and in the end it will lead them to Armageddon.
I believe that Israel has done more than any other nation to avoid collateral damage, but it is simply proof that our works of righteousness are like filthy (bloody) rags. So all those who condemn Israel will be condemned by their own words, but Israel will also learn that only Jesus is our righteousness.
I believe that Israel has done more than any other nation to avoid collateral damage, but it is simply proof that our works of righteousness are like filthy (bloody) rags. So all those who condemn Israel will be condemned by their own words, but Israel will also learn that only Jesus is our righteousness.
So you think it's a game to call out Israel for settling on occupied land which is a war crime? How convenient you "don't want to play" because you know that is exactly what Israel has been doing and refuse to condemn it. You're allergic to anything that holds Israel accountable and accuse the person of being antisemitic for it.
Great, now you are contradicting yourself though. Israel, Jew, and Zionist are not all the same. Not everyone in Israel is a Jew or a Zionist. Not all Zionists are Jews or even Israeli. Yet, you get emotional when someone distinguishes between them for some reason?
Not really grasping when you're literally using the Democrat playbook. You accuse people who disagree with you as being antisemitic which is a form of racism seeing as Jews are an ethnoreligious group of people. I'm not sure why you're pretending you aren't using their playbook though...
1.) Hostility and personal attacks to anyone who disagrees with you.
2.) Call people antisemitic/racist for pointing out historical facts which condemn Israel (Democrats).
3.) Refuse to admit Israel (Biden) could do any wrong.
Great, now you are contradicting yourself though. Israel, Jew, and Zionist are not all the same. Not everyone in Israel is a Jew or a Zionist. Not all Zionists are Jews or even Israeli. Yet, you get emotional when someone distinguishes between them for some reason?
Not really grasping when you're literally using the Democrat playbook. You accuse people who disagree with you as being antisemitic which is a form of racism seeing as Jews are an ethnoreligious group of people. I'm not sure why you're pretending you aren't using their playbook though...
1.) Hostility and personal attacks to anyone who disagrees with you.
2.) Call people antisemitic/racist for pointing out historical facts which condemn Israel (Democrats).
3.) Refuse to admit Israel (Biden) could do any wrong.
It’s YOUR Democrat buddies that are supporting the Muslims and hamas. Republicans are by and large strongly in support of Israel and the Jews.
Oh. And show me a post where I said Israel does no wrong. I will be totally on your side if you do.
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YOU, the Democrats, and the UN say they're war crimes. That doesn't make it so.
Is your name Mr. Jayapal in real life? Here is the DEMOCRAT even CNN can't believe:
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1731392607828201484?s=20
Is your name Mr. Jayapal in real life? Here is the DEMOCRAT even CNN can't believe:
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1731392607828201484?s=20
It's hilarious that once I call you out for using the Democrat's playbook for anyone who disagrees with you, every post you've made since you're calling me a Democrat.
Article 49 - Deportations, transfers, evacuations <--- Please click and read for yourself. It's not just me, many Democratcs and Republicans, but most of the international community condemns Israeli settlement in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Article 49 - Deportations, transfers, evacuations
Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.
Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Such evacuations may not involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased.
The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene, health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family are not separated.
The Protecting Power shall be informed of any transfers and evacuations as soon as they have taken place.
The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.
Maybe you reject article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention? I mean, don't you disapprove of illegal immigrants settling on US land or do you agree with Democrats there as well? The only difference is that Mexico doesn't have the military power to come into the US and protect their illegal settlers.
Article 49 - Deportations, transfers, evacuations <--- Please click and read for yourself. It's not just me, many Democratcs and Republicans, but most of the international community condemns Israeli settlement in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Article 49 - Deportations, transfers, evacuations
Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.
Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Such evacuations may not involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased.
The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene, health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family are not separated.
The Protecting Power shall be informed of any transfers and evacuations as soon as they have taken place.
The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.
Maybe you reject article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention? I mean, don't you disapprove of illegal immigrants settling on US land or do you agree with Democrats there as well? The only difference is that Mexico doesn't have the military power to come into the US and protect their illegal settlers.
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It's hilarious that once I call you out as using Democrat's playbook for anyone who disagrees, every post you've made since you're calling me a Democrat.
Ahh!
So the war crime isn't anything they're alleged to have done in the war, it's just as I've said from the beginning.
The war crime is their right to exist at all.
Thank you for your candor Mr. Jayapal.
The shoe fits most of the world though... which encompasses Democrats, Republicans, and conservative Libertarians such as myself.
As for the war crimes, I can be objective and state my belief that killing exponentially more children than Hamas terrorists gives evidence to war crimes (not valuing or treating Palestinian civilian life with any regard) but it doesn't necessarily prove they are guilty of it. There is a legitimate debate to be had about it. What I have focused on are things that led up to Oct 7th, their history, in particular to settling on occupied land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is where we agree:
1.) Israel is not recognized as the sovereign entity of the West Bank and East Jersualem.
2.) Israel is occupying the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
3.) Israeli citizens are being settled in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
4.) Israeli courts evict Palestinians from their homes to replace them with Israelis.
Where we probably disagree (correct me if I'm wrong):
1.) It's a war crime to settle on occupied land as stated in article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
2.) Israeli courts have jurisdiction and the authority to evict Palestinians in their homes in foreign/occupied land.
3.) Palestinians are oppressed and subjected to prison-like checkpoints in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
I would love to have an honest good-faithed discussion about this without you getting emotional and making personal attacks.
As for the war crimes, I can be objective and state my belief that killing exponentially more children than Hamas terrorists gives evidence to war crimes (not valuing or treating Palestinian civilian life with any regard) but it doesn't necessarily prove they are guilty of it. There is a legitimate debate to be had about it. What I have focused on are things that led up to Oct 7th, their history, in particular to settling on occupied land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is where we agree:
1.) Israel is not recognized as the sovereign entity of the West Bank and East Jersualem.
2.) Israel is occupying the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
3.) Israeli citizens are being settled in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
4.) Israeli courts evict Palestinians from their homes to replace them with Israelis.
Where we probably disagree (correct me if I'm wrong):
1.) It's a war crime to settle on occupied land as stated in article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
2.) Israeli courts have jurisdiction and the authority to evict Palestinians in their homes in foreign/occupied land.
3.) Palestinians are oppressed and subjected to prison-like checkpoints in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
I would love to have an honest good-faithed discussion about this without you getting emotional and making personal attacks.
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Here is the REPUBLICAN speaker of the House, and other republicans organize students speaking on what is happening in America because of the hamas/muslim apologists. Where are the Democrats? You need to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/live/i21DsaSD1LY?si=1_Fs9Bp8Rd8PYIs4
All of this is as a result of several wars over the 70 yrs of MUSLIM nations attacking the Jewish state unprovoked.
You forfeit alot of things when you attack a people and lose. That is a FACT of history in virtually every war. Check out Germany's borders before and after WWI and WWII for instance.
So I got NO problem with them taking over those areas.
https://www.youtube.com/live/i21DsaSD1LY?si=1_Fs9Bp8Rd8PYIs4
All of this is as a result of several wars over the 70 yrs of MUSLIM nations attacking the Jewish state unprovoked.
You forfeit alot of things when you attack a people and lose. That is a FACT of history in virtually every war. Check out Germany's borders before and after WWI and WWII for instance.
So I got NO problem with them taking over those areas.
I'm going to work and listen to this in the background. I am curious about the new speaker and would love to hear what he has to say.
It's true that Israel's neighbors have been incredibly hostile towards them. I think many of these nations use the Palestinians as a tool to gain support and sympathy in their war against Israel. I hope I'm wrong and just a cynic because these are humans and not tools for war propaganda.
I disagree that civilians forfeit any human rights because of what other states are doing/have done. Palestinian civilians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem shouldn't have to suffer for decades because Jordan went to war with Israel. Occupations shouldn't be permanent. The strategy that Israel is using right now is to integrate as much as possible in the West Bank and East Jerusalem to make it impossible to ever expect them to pull out and give the land back to the Palestinians.
Speaking of Germany, I think it's fair to point to the Treat of Versailles as a possible factor for why so many people got behind Hitler and the Nazi propaganda. I'm not saying Germany didn't deserve to have consequences for WWI... they needed to. However, some feel the Treaty of Versailles was a bit too harsh against Germany. It's not unlike Israeli treatment of the Palestinians... Children will grow up hating their oppressors and occupiers. If you and I were Palestinian brothers born in the West Bank and we were evicted from our home because of not meeting building codes that Israel sets only for our home to be handed over to Israelis, don't you think we would be a bit jaded and upset? Do you think we are going to put the blame on Jordan for going to war with Israel or against the people who are legitimately terrorizing us? I don't ask why they are so angry, I would ask why wouldn't they be upset?
It's true that Israel's neighbors have been incredibly hostile towards them. I think many of these nations use the Palestinians as a tool to gain support and sympathy in their war against Israel. I hope I'm wrong and just a cynic because these are humans and not tools for war propaganda.
I disagree that civilians forfeit any human rights because of what other states are doing/have done. Palestinian civilians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem shouldn't have to suffer for decades because Jordan went to war with Israel. Occupations shouldn't be permanent. The strategy that Israel is using right now is to integrate as much as possible in the West Bank and East Jerusalem to make it impossible to ever expect them to pull out and give the land back to the Palestinians.
Speaking of Germany, I think it's fair to point to the Treat of Versailles as a possible factor for why so many people got behind Hitler and the Nazi propaganda. I'm not saying Germany didn't deserve to have consequences for WWI... they needed to. However, some feel the Treaty of Versailles was a bit too harsh against Germany. It's not unlike Israeli treatment of the Palestinians... Children will grow up hating their oppressors and occupiers. If you and I were Palestinian brothers born in the West Bank and we were evicted from our home because of not meeting building codes that Israel sets only for our home to be handed over to Israelis, don't you think we would be a bit jaded and upset? Do you think we are going to put the blame on Jordan for going to war with Israel or against the people who are legitimately terrorizing us? I don't ask why they are so angry, I would ask why wouldn't they be upset?
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