Israel Declares War

[Smoke]

No. I made my “assumptions” based on your extreme anti Israel comments.

Which comments in particular? That Israel is committing war crimes by settling on occupied land? That's a fact...

You are masking your antisemitism with trying to differentiate between Jews/Israel/ “Zionists”.
THEY’RE ALL THE SAME!

You're unmasking your ignorance if you believe only Jews live in Israel. To know that the state of Israel was founded by secular Jews is also not antisemitic. Taking a page from the Democrats on how to make everything about race/racism, aye?

 

[Nehemiah6]

So Israel is above the law?

What "law"? Every sovereign nation has the absolute right to defend itself from its enemies. Actually Israel has made too many mistakes in dealing with its enemies, always dreaming that a peace deal could become a reality. What happened on October 7 was a WAKE UP CALL to Israel's political leaders. They failed to do their duty and many innocents paid the price. Now it has to be TOTAL WARFARE to the finish -- Gaza and the West Bank need to be taken back by Israel. Some news items from the Times of Israel

Netanyahu vows ‘total victory’ against Hamas; says PA rejects Israel, can’t rule Gaza

Extensive Israeli strikes reported throughout Gaza, including Khan Younis

Israel kills Hamas commander behind deadly attacks; rocket barrage targets Tel Aviv

 

[Pathfinder]

The Prime minister of Israel said that there will be retaliation like never before, so I believe they are now gathering forces to do that. Currently they are going house by house near the cities close to Gaza border.

I just hope that this retaliation isnt the usual "Throw some bombs in there, turn off the electricity" which it is so far.
They need to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque, they need to drive the people of Gaza to the sea, turn it into a beach resort.
If they dont guess what, this problem will not go anywhere, instead they will just regather and attack again.

They also need to get rid of the muslims who LIVE within Israel's borders and have citizenship, they are the greatest danger as Hamas is encouraging them to pick up axes and knifes and attack jewish families they live close to, and if they do that, its gonna be a massacre as almost HALF of Jerusalem is islamic.
You can't negotiate with someone who will have nothing except you gone or dead.

I honestly don't get Israel, why are they just refusing to handle the situation? Could it be the international pressure from the UN and the surrounding arab nations ? I don't know, if anyone is a geopolitical person who is "in the know" let me know as well.

I think that Israel know that this will start the Ezekiel war. and it looks like it might. plus if Israel goes ALL IN then the USA will drop their support for Israel . I wish Israel would repent . By in large they don't believe that Christ has come to forgive us our sins. If Israel would repent then they would know that They have God on their side, They don't need the support from the USA.

 

[ZNP]

I think that Israel know that this will start the Ezekiel war. and it looks like it might.

I think we have several factors all playing a role:

A big question is how much longer?

1. The Tabernacle of David. The war in Israel was said to have begun because Hamas didn't want Israel to set up the tabernacle of David and begin the sacrifices again.
2. Proxy war is not working. This war we are currently witnessing is a proxy war which is described in Psalm 83. Somehow we go from a proxy war to an all out war in Ezekiel 38 with Russia, Iran, and Turkey. If I had to guess the destruction of Damascus will be where we go from a Proxy war to an all out war. Everyday we can see Hamas in Gaza and Hezebollah in Lebanon being shut down, requiring Iran to use their base in Damascus as the launch pad.
3. BRICS needs to replace the US dollar as the reserve currency. They go into effect January 1.
4. Pro Palestinian mobs could be provoked to being as violent as what we saw in the days of Lot. Jesus said it would be as the days of Lot and in that scenario we expect to see vicious mobs foaming at the mouth. If Damascus were destroyed that could be the event that turns these mobs into frenzied violence like we saw in the days of Lot.
5. US Election. It is obvious that Trump will win the election. I think there are powerful forces that would rather have the Ezekiel 38 war than to have Trump as President.
6. US Debt. If the countries in BRICS were to dump their US bonds when BRICS goes live in January it could cause a collapse of the US banking system and economy. I think this war is really about who will be the reserve currency and that means who will provide security for the Middle East.
7. Covid Vaccine. The evidence is being released that the US lied and the vaccine is killing people. The pandemic was made in a bioweapons lab that was funded by the US and the vaccine is causing millions of deaths. These two things together are a very good reason why the world would hate the US. When you hate the US it is much easier to attack and destroy them.

With this as the background I look at cyber attacks on our banks and water supply, terrorist attacks, border being infiltrated, and threats from Russia, Iran and N. Korea not as bluster but as a crystal clear warning of what is coming and coming soon.

I don't set dates but I definitely expect the Psalm 83 war to continue to escalate into the Ezekiel 38 war prior to the 2024 election in the US. (Days, weeks or months, but not a year).

 

[cv5]

I don't set dates but I definitely expect the Psalm 83 war to continue to escalate

Good call re: the Psalm 83 war. Was unknown in all of history but it looks like it's coming together in real time.

 

[Needevidence]

Approx 50% of Israeli Jews are secular/ atheists - about 25-30% non religious - Tel Aviv is or is becoming the Gay capital of the world -

Jacob children - 4 from non Jew lineage
Gen 30:4 two of the wife’s are slave-girls Zilpah & Bilhah (šip̄·ḥā·ṯāh שִׁפְחָתָ֖הּ her maidservant) Four of the twelve children Gad, Dan, Naphtali and Asher were there sons.

And many people of other nationalities became Jews because fear of the Jews had seized them.” (Esther 8:17)

Thousands of years of intermarriage of the Israelites 12 tribes - Jews was a late invention related to only the tribe of Judah - who really are the Jews / Isrelities.

What new temple - Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.

 

[HeIsHere]

What "law"? Every sovereign nation has the absolute right to defend itself from its enemies. Actually Israel has made too many mistakes in dealing with its enemies, always dreaming that a peace deal could become a reality. What happened on October 7 was a WAKE UP CALL to Israel's political leaders. They failed to do their duty and many innocents paid the price. Now it has to be TOTAL WARFARE to the finish -- Gaza and the West Bank need to be taken back by Israel. Some news items from the Times of Israel

Netanyahu vows ‘total victory’ against Hamas; says PA rejects Israel, can’t rule Gaza

Extensive Israeli strikes reported throughout Gaza, including Khan Younis

Israel kills Hamas commander behind deadly attacks; rocket barrage targets Tel Aviv

Sadly, you too think the start of this war was October 7th, it isn't.

Maybe the attack on the USS Liberty (171 dead, 34 injured) should have been a wake up call for the USA, the USA is a sovereign nation as well last time I looked.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Sadly, you too think the start of this war was October 7th, it isn't.

I did not imply or suggest any such thing. The start of "the war" goes back to 1948. All the Arab nations surrounding Israel chose to go to war against the Jews, instead of recognizing (1) their historic right to the land and (2) their terrible plight after the Holocaust and European anti-Semitism.

As to the USA, the ignorant and arrogant politicians should have taken serious note when Ayatollah Khomeini declared to the world that Islam was coming after "the great Satan" (the USA) about 60 years ago. Subsequently those same politicians and presidents opened the doors wide to Muslim migrant invasion (another aspect of Jihad). The West has been flooded with Muslims, mosques, and "Mohammads".

And now the traitors Biden and Mayorkas have handed the southern border to the drug cartels and human traffickers, while everyone has simply stood by. The enemies of America are pouring into the USA at the invitation of these traitors. Jihad is not over, but the foolish Leftists of America are cheering on the Islamist terrorists. Did you ever think that there would be such foolishness?

 

[Smoke]

I did not imply or suggest any such thing. The start of "the war" goes back to 1948. All the Arab nations surrounding Israel chose to go to war against the Jews, instead of recognizing (1) their historic right to the land and (2) their terrible plight after the Holocaust and European anti-Semitism.

Do you believe the Jews had the right to the Palestinian homes in addition to the land, or just the land? I'm asking because in order for Israel (the newly formed state) to have a Jewish majority (making up just 6% of the population), they had to murder, displace, and steal the homes of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. I don't know if you purposefully left this out or unintentionally left this out.

 

[PennEd]

I get that the Rothschild Zionists/Communists don't like Luther.

Not sure what this has to do with the Church's silence, and even tacit approval of what the nazis were doing to the Jews, using Luther's writing as justification.

In Luther's society, which I presume was largely Christian, yes (I believe these were probably reasonable, with the proviso of having a limited understanding of the era). Were false religions permitted in Israel in the Old Testament? I would presume Luther obtained most of the above from the Old Testament and understanding the serious result of false religion (i.e. hell-fire), whilst adding in the mercy of the New Testament (i.e. no death penalty as false teachers would have suffered in the Old Testament, perhaps to allow them time to repent?)

I have no idea where to go with this.

I don't care what era of Christianity you want to talk about, it is NEVER reasonable to teach that God would endorse, or even be ok
with ANY of Luther's recommendations of how Jews, or ANY group or person should be treated by a true Christian.

How is it even possible you could think that? We are called to love and spread the Gospel. I reiterate. NO TRUE CHRISTIAN OF ANY ERA WOULD THINK THAT GOD ENDORSES HOSTILITY OR VIOLENCE AGAINST ANYONE!

You cannot find a single New Testament verse that says anything even remotely close.

 

[PennEd]

Which comments in particular? That Israel is committing war crimes by settling on occupied land? That's a fact...

I'm not going to play this game with you. A cursory view of your posts belie a deep hatred for Jews. Especially those Jews God is regathering, that you call "Zionists" to the land He gave them. That's the the very core of the issue. You don't believe God's promises to them. Hence, it's why amil thought is so heretical.

You're unmasking your ignorance if you believe only Jews live in Israel

Nope. As long as they have an understanding this is the JEWISH State, and don't vow to kill them, I have no problem with them living there. AND, neither does Israel.

Taking a page from the Democrats on how to make everything about race/racism, aye?

Lol!!!
Grasp at straws much? YOU da one sounding like a Democrat.
I never mentioned the word "race" a single time in my posts here. Race is completely irrelevant. what is relevant is the satanic muslim hordes, and their desire to kill all Jews and Christians!

Tell me, what "race" are the Gazans that Israel is supposedly committing genocide and ethnic cleansing against?

 

[PennEd]

Kinda weird treatment if you want to "genocide" a people!

 

[Moses_Young]

Not sure what this has to do with the Church's silence, and even tacit approval of what the nazis were doing to the Jews, using Luther's writing as justification.

Commies will always complain, even if they receive just recompense for their crimes. I'm saying when a Rothschild Zionist complains, that's not necessarily because he's been dealt with unfairly.

I have no idea where to go with this.

I don't care what era of Christianity you want to talk about, it is NEVER reasonable to teach that God would endorse, or even be ok
with ANY of Luther's recommendations of how Jews, or ANY group or person should be treated by a true Christian.

How is it even possible you could think that? We are called to love and spread the Gospel. I reiterate. NO TRUE CHRISTIAN OF ANY ERA WOULD THINK THAT GOD ENDORSES HOSTILITY OR VIOLENCE AGAINST ANYONE!

You cannot find a single New Testament verse that says anything even remotely close.

So are you opposed to the existence of the army? The police force? The second amendment? The government is rightly described in the bible as carrying the sword to the terror of evildoers. From what you posted about Luther, he never called for harm of people - only the instruments they were using for their crimes. Obviously, I'm not opposed to the careful use of force to ensure justice is done, but if you are, it seems hypocritical to be defending the state of Israel in it's so-called "self defence" against terrorists.

 

[PennEd]

Commies will always complain, even if they receive just recompense for their crimes. I'm saying when a Rothschild Zionist complains, that's not necessarily because he's been dealt with unfairly.

So are you opposed to the existence of the army? The police force? The second amendment? The government is rightly described in the bible as carrying the sword to the terror of evildoers. From what you posted about Luther, he never called for harm of people - only the instruments they were using for their crimes. Obviously, I'm not opposed to the careful use of force to ensure justice is done, but if you are, it seems hypocritical to be defending the state of Israel in it's so-called "self defence" against terrorists.

Cmon buddy. We’re playing the red x game now?

I can dust off a whole bag of them if you like.

 

[Moses_Young]

Cmon buddy. We’re playing the red x game now?

I can dust off a whole bag of them if you like.

Sure. If you want?

I'm not going to play this game with you. A cursory view of your posts belie a deep hatred for Jews. Especially those Jews God is regathering, that you call "Zionists" to the land He gave them. That's the the very core of the issue. You don't believe God's promises to them. Hence, it's why amil thought is so heretical.

The red x was for engaging in snowflake/Commie tactics. Claiming Smoke hates Jews, simply because he disagrees with the Israeli government. Conservatives (which I presume you are, from other topics?) should know and condemn this despicable tactic.

 

[PennEd]

Sure. If you want?

The red x was for engaging in snowflake/Commie tactics. Claiming Smoke hates Jews, simply because he disagrees with the Israeli government. Conservatives (which I presume you are, from other topics?) should know and condemn this despicable tactic.

You are sounding more and more unhinged.

I can only interpret that to mean I’m hitting a little too close to the truth.

To equate service in the army or police to advocating burning down Jewish synagogues and schools is beyond absurd.

There is literally nowhere to go to try and reason with that view.

What’s wrong with you?

Why do you hate them so much? I don’t get it.

 

[Moses_Young]

You are sounding more and more unhinged.

I can only interpret that to mean I’m hitting a little too close to the truth.

To equate service in the army or police to advocating burning down Jewish synagogues and schools is beyond absurd.

There is literally nowhere to go to try and reason with that view.

What’s wrong with you?

Why do you hate them so much? I don’t get it.

Let's take an extreme example. Should the Church of Satan be permitted to open a temple for sacrificing of virgins and the worship of its deity? And, supposing they did, against all laws prohibiting it, what would you propose to be a suitable remedy for prevention of a second attempt at the crime?

 

[ZNP]

Let's take an extreme example. Should the Church of Satan be permitted to open a temple for sacrificing of virgins and the worship of its deity? And, supposing they did, against all laws prohibiting it, what would you propose to be a suitable remedy for prevention of a second attempt at the crime?

Ahh, so you are finally seeing why Israel had to declare war on Hamas, good we are getting somewhere.

 

[PennEd]

Let's take an extreme example. Should the Church of Satan be permitted to open a temple for sacrificing of virgins and the worship of its deity? And, supposing they did, against all laws prohibiting it, what would you propose to be a suitable remedy for prevention of a second attempt at the crime?

What?!

This doesn’t even make any sense.

Now you’re equating human sacrifice to a synagogue?

How much more bizarre can we get!?

 

[Moses_Young]

Ahh, so you are finally seeing why Israel had to declare war on Hamas, good we are getting somewhere.

I have nothing against Israel declaring war against whomsoever it pleases. What I am against is their hypocrisy - complaining about war crimes against it (terrorism), but then carrying out similar war crimes against others. He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword. This is a biblical principle.