The Security Of The Believer

[Everlasting-Grace]

Jesus said that, He fulfilled the LAW, so the LAW is completed.
He's talking about the New Covenant.

Yes,

so again why do you kleep trying to put yourself under law?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

No they do not

You can stop your false witness right now my friend. I reject Calvins teachings.

really?
this idea of what you're preaching was ONE of the Points that separated Calvin and Armini.
and sadly, remained in the Church like it was gospel.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

No

You believe your salvation is based on how well you do

My salvation is based on what Christ did

I obey BECAUSE I am saved

You obey In order to STAY saved.

Huge difference

no, i don't!

i don't get up and say, i cannot sin today or i have failed.
i don't think about any of that.
but, when i do SIN, the Holy Spirit, jumps all over me and i feel it.
i repent immediately!

if the Holy Spirit is not informing you when you sin, that's a major big time problem.

 

[selahsays]

interesting, that you would use a Verse that clarifies to not quench the Holy Spirit, then preach absolute Security, while adding being Sealed is the difference between being Saved or Not.

you are aware, maybe not, after reading your posts, that ""only Saved People" (filled with the Spirit of God) can quench the Spirit of God?
non- Saved people do not have the Holy Spirit anywhere near them.
only the Saved people do.
that means, only the SAVED can Quench the Holy Spirit.

so, the real question, since "only Saved people" can quench the Spirit, what happens if they choose to quench the Spirit of God?

first off, what is quenching the Spirit of God?
When you've chosen not to obey the voice of the Holy Spirit, you bear no fruits.

what did Jesus say about:
Not bearing fruits?

John 15:
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.

2 Every branch in me that bears not fruit he [[cuts off]]

6 If any one abide not in me, he is cut off as the branch and withers, and they gather it and throw it into the fire, and it is burned.




So, you provide a Verse that has ""BOTH"" Warning and Promise, and then completely skip and ignore the Warning all together.

Good thing i do not adhere to your idealism, i could be cut off and burning...because the other part of your Doctrine is obeying equals works. Obeying Holy Spirit [which when you do not is Quenching the Spirit and only SAVED People can quench the Spirit] is a works.


my point is not about getting Regenerated, but about after we are Saved!
only the Saved can quench the Spirit of God that LIVES inside of us.

I agree. And that’s why the unpardonable sin can only be committed by a saved person. Those who have not been saved do not have the Holy Spirit; thus they cannot commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Yes,

so again why do you kleep trying to put yourself under law?

because obeying Jesus, is obeying the New Covenant, [because the Name Yeshua] did not exist in the Mosaic Law, it exists now as the LIVING GOD.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I agree. And that’s why the unpardonable sin can only be committed by a saved person. Those who have not been saved do not have the Holy Spirit; thus they cannot commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

AMEN!!

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

really?
this idea of what you're preaching was ONE of the Points that separated Calvin and Armini.
and sadly, remained in the Church like it was gospel.

lol..

Calvin taught that we did nto have a choice. He taught that we were born again first, THEN we had faith. He taught we were all so lost we would not even think of Coming to God until God made us alive first. He finally taught that we will persevere to the end

Arminian taught that we do have free will. That we can come to faith. but we must persevere to the end or we will be lost. (prety much what you are teaching yourself)


I reject both doctrines.

I follow instead Christ.

Christ said we will never die. we will live forever. We will never be lost. He will never let us go., we are sealed by the spirit. we have eternal life, we have passed from judgment to life. That we will not come into judgment, That we were redeemed, we were justified. we were saved. and non of this has to do with what we do now or anything we had done, or anything we will do. It is all based on God.

the problem is Calvinist are so afraid even their faith would be construed as a work.. so they walk around it. and the rest of them world follows the legalism of the jews and roman catholics.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

no, i don't!

Every word you post says as much..

i don't get up and say, i cannot sin today or i have failed.
i don't think about any of that.
but, when i do SIN, the Holy Spirit, jumps all over me and i feel it.
i repent immediately!

what about the sins you do not know of? Did you lose salvation when you sinned?

if the Holy Spirit is not informing you when you sin, that's a major big time problem.

we are not discussing the chastening of the spirit. we are discussing eternal life.. and salvation.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I agree. And that’s why the unpardonable sin can only be committed by a saved person. Those who have not been saved do not have the Holy Spirit; thus they cannot commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

I disagree,

the unsaved person is committing the blasphemy of the spirit. and if they do nto repent and come to Christ. t6hat is why they will be condemned.

its called unbelief,.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

because obeying Jesus, is obeying the New Covenant, [because the Name Yeshua] did not exist in the Mosaic Law, it exists now as the LIVING GOD.

Obeying God is under every covnenant

Under the law. when you disobeyed, you lost your right to be in Gods presence.

Under grace, You do not lose that right, because your sin was covered...

thats called grace..

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

lol..

Calvin taught that we did nto have a choice. He taught that we were born again first, THEN we had faith. He taught we were all so lost we would not even think of Coming to God until God made us alive first. He finally taught that we will persevere to the end

Arminian taught that we do have free will. That we can come to faith. but we must persevere to the end or we will be lost. (prety much what you are teaching yourself)


I reject both doctrines.

I follow instead Christ.

Christ said we will never die. we will live forever. We will never be lost. He will never let us go., we are sealed by the spirit. we have eternal life, we have passed from judgment to life. That we will not come into judgment, That we were redeemed, we were justified. we were saved. and non of this has to do with what we do now or anything we had done, or anything we will do. It is all based on God.

the problem is Calvinist are so afraid even their faith would be construed as a work.. so they walk around it. and the rest of them world follows the legalism of the jews and roman catholics.

Christ also said to Repent Daily.
and if you [do not forgive] those who sin against you, the FATHER will not forgive you.

but everything else you added, i definitely AGREE with YOU!

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Christ also said to Repent Daily.
and if you [do not forgive] those who sin against you, the FATHER will not forgive you.

but everything else you added, i definitely AGREE with YOU!

Then you are preaching law

If ANY sin can cause us to fall away. then we are under law not under grace.

And Jesus did not die for that sin (or it would be forgiven) and thus you have lost all hope..

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Every word you post says as much..


what about the sins you do not know of? Did you lose salvation when you sinned?


we are not discussing the chastening of the spirit. we are discussing eternal life.. and salvation.

ever read king David, in Psalms, Forgive me of the sins i am not even aware of?

Psalm 19:13 “Who can discern his errors? Forgive my hidden faults.

that is how you do it.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

ever read king David, in Psalms, Forgive me of the sins i am not even aware of?

Psalm 19:13 “Who can discern his errors? Forgive my hidden faults.

that is how you do it.

ok


But did not Christ do that on the cross.

And did you not confess your a sinner, and you have sinned, you are sinning, and you will sin when you came to Christ?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Obeying God is under every covnenant

Under the law. when you disobeyed, you lost your right to be in Gods presence.

Under grace, You do not lose that right, because your sin was covered...

thats called grace..

Grace, is the Act Jesus performed on the Cross.
the literal Act of being Sacrificed is the Grace of God.
why we can even say we're Saved by Grace.

people turn the literal Act of God into a Condition and Condition is not listed anywhere.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Aww,

But did not Christ do that on the cross.

And did you not confess your a sinner, and you have sinned, you are sinning, and you will sin when you came to Christ?

not the sins i commit after being Saved, i have not confessed, at least for today.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Then you are preaching law

If ANY sin can cause us to fall away. then we are under law not under grace.

And Jesus did not die for that sin (or it would be forgiven) and thus you have lost all hope..

Stop making excuses, Jesus said, to DO IT.

if you don't want to listen to Jesus then don't.

just STOP making excuses for it.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Grace, is the Act Jesus performed on the Cross.
the literal Act of being Sacrificed is the Grace of God.
why we can even say we're Saved by Grace.

people turn the literal Act of God into a Condition and Condition is not listed anywhere.

For it is by GRACE (THE CROSS) That we HAVE BEEN SAVED through faith. and not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Titus 3: 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy (THE CROSS) He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

God made it a condition. The law showed it is a condition. Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

not the sins i commit after being Saved, i have not confessed, at least for today.

God knew you would commit those sins when he saved you. Do you think you surprised God?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Stop making excuses, Jesus said, to DO IT.

if you don't want to listen to Jesus then don't.

just STOP making excuses for it.

I am not making excuses for anything my friend.

But you seem to be making excuses for why you want to be under law not grace..