Israel Declares War

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HeIsHere said:
So Israel is above the law?
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What law? Israel is a sovereign nation. It did not start the conflict. Who here is talking about Armenia, being attacked by Azerbaijan and Turkey? Armenia is a Christian nation surrounded by Muslims. Israel is a democracy surrounded by Muslim nations. Israel has every right, and a duty of care, to defend itself. I hope that the pathetic bleating of those whose country has never been attacked will realise this. Hamas started it. Israel must finish it.

The laws of war permit civilian infrastructure to be attacked when it is used for military purposes. Hamas routinely has done so. Israel has been far more careful with Gazan civilians than Hamas has been. How about sheeting home the responsibility where it belongs -to Hamas instead of condemning Israel.

Either Hamas is destroyed or Israel continues to be attacked. Do you think it preferable that Israeli citizens be murdered, raped, burned alive, taken hostage and beaten, or paraded naked through the streets? If so, you are despicable.
 
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HeIsHere said:
The law says so, not you.
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A truly moronic statement. Do you know what ethnic cleansing is? Do you not know that the Muslim world is the one that threatens to destroy Israel and the Jews? You have the whole scenario back to front. Israel did not start this, or perhaps you've forgotten that minor detail.
 
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Smoke said:
"Some people" does not mean I think that. Do you understand the difference?
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Of course.
But in the context of the conversation, and reflecting on your posts and opinions on the Israel/Gaza/Muslim situation, it is more than reasonable to think that YOU are part of those "some people".

If you believe that Martin Luther was a rabid Jew hater, that wanted synagogues and Jewish schools burned down, among other things, is NOT God ordained or reasonable, but in fact satanic, then...... GREAT!!

Now.
Who ARE these "some people", that DO think it's God ordained and reasonable?
 
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PennEd said:
Of course.
But in the context of the conversation, and reflecting on your posts and opinions on the Israel/Gaza/Muslim situation, it is more than reasonable to think that YOU are part of those "some people".

If you believe that Martin Luther was a rabid Jew hater, that wanted synagogues and Jewish schools burned down, among other things, is NOT God ordained or reasonable, but in fact satanic, then...... GREAT!!

Now.
Who ARE these "some people", that DO think it's God ordained and reasonable?
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If you're reflecting on my opinions/beliefs about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict then you'll know that I am in opposition to Israeli blowing up more children than actual Hamas terrorist and against the illegal settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. How could you draw ANY sort of conclusion that I would be part of the group who wants to persecute Jews? How much stretching and fiction do you have to do to come to the wild conclusion I support the antisemitic list you posted? Stop making this personal already. You're above this.
 
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If you're reflecting on my opinions/beliefs about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict then you'll know that I am in opposition to Israeli blowing up more children than actual Hamas terrorist and against the illegal settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. How could you draw ANY sort of conclusion that I would be part of the group who wants to persecute Jews? How much stretching and fiction do you have to do to come to the wild conclusion I support the antisemitic list you posted? Stop making this personal already. You're above this.
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Yes, if anyone here is for the blowing up of children they are on the wrong forum, go to the psychopathchat.com forum.
 
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Gideon300 said:
A truly moronic statement. Do you know what ethnic cleansing is? Do you not know that the Muslim world is the one that threatens to destroy Israel and the Jews? You have the whole scenario back to front. Israel did not start this, or perhaps you've forgotten that minor detail.
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All this based on what Fox News?
 
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CV5 said "Since when is the destruction of Hamas terrorists "ethnic cleansing"?"

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HeIsHere said:
The law says so, not you.
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I cannot see any other way of interpreting this than you saying Israel destroying Hamas terrorists is against the law.

CV5 replied to HeisHere saying "The destruction of Hamas terrorists is against the law you say?
Can you quote the specific code chapter and verse?"

HeisHere replies "Not what I wrote"

HeIsHere can you Please explain so that even a 5th grader can understand, thanks.
 
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What law? Israel is a sovereign nation. It did not start the conflict. Who here is talking about Armenia, being attacked by Azerbaijan and Turkey? Armenia is a Christian nation surrounded by Muslims. Israel is a democracy surrounded by Muslim nations. Israel has every right, and a duty of care, to defend itself. I hope that the pathetic bleating of those whose country has never been attacked will realise this. Hamas started it. Israel must finish it.

The laws of war permit civilian infrastructure to be attacked when it is used for military purposes. Hamas routinely has done so. Israel has been far more careful with Gazan civilians than Hamas has been. How about sheeting home the responsibility where it belongs -to Hamas instead of condemning Israel.

Either Hamas is destroyed or Israel continues to be attacked. Do you think it preferable that Israeli citizens be murdered, raped, burned alive, taken hostage and beaten, or paraded naked through the streets? If so, you are despicable.
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Much like the NATO/Russia conflict you have very limited understanding of the history/geo political/economics of this war, so it is a great challenge for me to even begin to explain it you.
 
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ZNP said:
CV5 said "Since when is the destruction of Hamas terrorists "ethnic cleansing"?"

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I cannot see any other way of interpreting this than you saying Israel destroying Hamas terrorists is against the law.

Please explain so that even a 5th grader can understand, thanks.
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I will pass.
 
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ZNP said:
Yes, if anyone here is for the blowing up of children they are on the wrong forum, go to the psychopathchat.com forum.
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You missed it then, there are people here who support Israel blowing up more children than Hamas terrorists as a way for Israel to exercise "self-defense".

You framed it as simply anyone who is for blowing up children which you are hopefully correct in that no one here supports that. However, people here clearly do support Israel blowing up more children than Hamas terrorists in their right to "self-defense". But you might have a point that those people might be better suited going to psychopathchat.com.
 
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Gideon300 said:
What law? Israel is a sovereign nation. It did not start the conflict. Who here is talking about Armenia, being attacked by Azerbaijan and Turkey? Armenia is a Christian nation surrounded by Muslims. Israel is a democracy surrounded by Muslim nations. Israel has every right, and a duty of care, to defend itself. I hope that the pathetic bleating of those whose country has never been attacked will realise this. Hamas started it. Israel must finish it.

The laws of war permit civilian infrastructure to be attacked when it is used for military purposes. Hamas routinely has done so. Israel has been far more careful with Gazan civilians than Hamas has been. How about sheeting home the responsibility where it belongs -to Hamas instead of condemning Israel.

Either Hamas is destroyed or Israel continues to be attacked. Do you think it preferable that Israeli citizens be murdered, raped, burned alive, taken hostage and beaten, or paraded naked through the streets? If so, you are despicable.
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@ZNP and I have discussed the Armenian/Azerbaijan conflict. But I didn't know Azerbaijan attacked Armenia... I thought they simply recaptured their own territory (Nagorno-Karabakh)??? :unsure::unsure::unsure:

I don't understand the logic of people and their "whatabout'ism" though. People like to say "What about Syria? Where were you?!" Who says I wasn't speaking out about Syria and al-Assad being a lunatic and a war criminal? Even if I wasn't informed/up-to-date about the war, what does that have to do what the subject we are currently discussing? It's like when people attack Biden for his incompetencies, Democrat apologists will say "Well, what about Trump?!" That isn't a defense! It's essentially waving a white flag and surrendering because you have no other way to defend your point of view.
 
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By the way, Armenia being a Christian nation does not mean they are the defacto rulers of Nagorno-Karabakh. Even the US recognizes that area as belonging to Azerbaijan. I understand that because many Christians mistakenly think "Israel" and "spiritual Jews" can be used interchangeable, they are NOT the defacto sovereign state of the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Unfortunately for them, not even the US recognizes their sovereignty over those territories either...
 
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Smoke said:
If you're reflecting on my opinions/beliefs about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict then you'll know that I am in opposition to Israeli blowing up more children than actual Hamas terrorist and against the illegal settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. How could you draw ANY sort of conclusion that I would be part of the group who wants to persecute Jews? How much stretching and fiction do you have to do to come to the wild conclusion I support the antisemitic list you posted? Stop making this personal already. You're above this.
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How I feel after reading this post:

:rolleyes:o_O:cautious:

Guess I got my answer about who the “some people” are!
 
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PennEd said:
How I feel after reading this post:

:rolleyes:o_O:cautious:

Guess I got my answer about who the “some people” are!
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It's no surprise you mention your feelings. At least you're transparent about how important your feelings should be to me. You tend to respond and make personal assumptions which aren't based on any sort of objective evidence simply because someone disagrees with you.

When you give specific evidence and/or admit you misread my post I will be more than be happy to respond on who the "some people" are. If you respond emotionally, there is no point to skip your insincere appreciation to something I never said I believed and further discuss who the "some people" are.
 
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You missed it then, there are people here who support Israel blowing up more children than Hamas terrorists as a way for Israel to exercise "self-defense".

You framed it as simply anyone who is for blowing up children which you are hopefully correct in that no one here supports that. However, people here clearly do support Israel blowing up more children than Hamas terrorists in their right to "self-defense". But you might have a point that those people might be better suited going to psychopathchat.com.
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I hate to say this but rendering judgement on these matters is beyond any of us.
I mean what do you actually want a perfect one-to-one ratio?
 
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cv5 said:
I hate to say this but rendering judgement on these matters is beyond any of us.
I mean what do you actually want a perfect one-to-one ratio?
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We agree that God is the only entity that is capable of judging perfectly. This doesn't mean we can't object to Israel blowing up more children than Hamas terrorists in their "self-defense" though. As for what I want, I've been fairly consistent about that. I want Israel to stop settling on occupied land which is a war crime, get out of the West Bank and East Jerusalem altogether, eradicate Hamas without needing to kill 100 civilians for every 1 Hamas terrorists.

"How would you plan to do this?" ... wait for it....
 
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It's no surprise you mention your feelings. At least you're transparent about how important your feelings should be to me. You tend to respond and make personal assumptions which aren't based on any sort of objective evidence simply because someone disagrees with you.

When you give specific evidence and/or admit you misread my post I will be more than be happy to respond on who the "some people" are. If you respond emotionally, there is no point to skip your insincere appreciation to something I never said I believed and further discuss who the "some people" are.
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No. I made my “assumptions” based on your extreme anti Israel comments.

You are masking your antisemitism with trying to differentiate between Jews/Israel/ “Zionists”.
THEY’RE ALL THE SAME!
 
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I mean you can easily find tons of stuff on the subject. This, after just a second of seaching:
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I get that the Rothschild Zionists/Communists don't like Luther. That doesn't mean a lot to me, as I never trust Communists. Did Luther ever advocate for the murder of Jews? If so, I would disagree with this. If he did not, I don't think it's reasonable to describe his proposals as Satanic. I'm not an expert on Luther, but he is one of the major figures for Protestants, and perhaps if the Communists don't like him, that's because he was saying something true?

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You think THESE things are from God and reasonable!?

  1. to burn down Jewish synagogues and schools and warn people against them
  2. to refuse to let Jews own houses among Christians
  3. to take away Jewish religious writings
  4. to forbid rabbis from preaching
  5. to offer no protection to Jews on highways
  6. for usury to be prohibited and for all Jews' silver and gold to be removed, put aside for safekeeping, and given back to Jews who truly convert
  7. to give young, strong Jews flail, axe, spade, and spindle, and let them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow
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In Luther's society, which I presume was largely Christian, yes (I believe these were probably reasonable, with the proviso of having a limited understanding of the era). Were false religions permitted in Israel in the Old Testament? I would presume Luther obtained most of the above from the Old Testament and understanding the serious result of false religion (i.e. hell-fire), whilst adding in the mercy of the New Testament (i.e. no death penalty as false teachers would have suffered in the Old Testament, perhaps to allow them time to repent?)

I don't think the above would work as well in our current society, as we are already pagan.
 
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