they are already in a Eternally Damned Condition. so they are already going to the same place as those who "do not" Abide in Christ.So then, do you reckon that if a person never comes to the Lord to be saved, none of this applies to them?
The Glasgow razor boy and eternal security
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Just today I had the idea that, like David, when an Elect person sins, he will repent because God has already given us that repentance. When we repent, it’s like a sorrowful apology (like David’s prayer). We want to be restored to being a good kid again. “Please erase that page in your book, Father. …only You can wash me and make me clean again. …please, Father, don’t be mad at me anymore.”
To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David when Nathan the prophet went to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Have mercy upon me, O God, According to Your lovingkindness; According to the multitude of Your tender mercies, Blot out my transgressions. Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, And cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions, And my sin is always before me. Against You, You only, have I sinned, And done this evil in Your sight—That You may be found just when You speak, And blameless when You judge. Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. Make me hear joy and gladness, That the bones You have broken may rejoice. Hide Your face from my sins, And blot out all my iniquities. Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me. Restore to me the joy of Your salvation, And uphold me by Your generous Spirit.
- Psalm 51:1-4,7-12
As true-blue Christians, we will try to abide perfectly, but of course at times, we will mess up. So naturally, we feel sorrowful and we repent of our sins and ask our Father in Heaven to please forgive us.
AMEN!!
if we TRULY LOVED JESUS, we would not be debating, but DOING what He said, by Asking for Forgiveness every day for our Sins.
i have always wondered, if you do not Obey Jesus' Words, how can you say, you LOVE Him?
AMEN!!
He KNOWS us, KNOWS our heart, mind, intentions.
so, if we are striving to ABIDE in Him, by Obeying His Words, that show WE ACTUALLY DO Love Him, he is Gracious knowing we will soon be Repenting of our Sins.
but someone, who thinks future sins are forgiven, so, they do not Abide in Him and obey His Words, He is not giving them Grace at all.
He knows their INTENTIONS, because, they're being Legalistic. Which OPPOSES Him!
they might as well be the POPE, who claims to be anti-christ.
It's God's grace to provide warnings and to call out false doctrine for what it is... if I had no copmpassion for others, I wouldn't be spending time try to get others to accept the whole counsel of God. The only ones getting all upset are the ones who have made idols out of john calvin and martin luther who follow men instewad of the teachings of the Lord.
The reason so many are "struggling brethren" is because of false doctrine being taught by all the false teachers telling people they are still saved if the continue in sin.
I'm simply telling people they should REPENT and turn away from their sin rather than saying what the OSAS peoples say which is.,.. "it's not a problem if one still lives in sin because they are still saved" which is a lie from the devil, it's a trick to deceive people to go to hell.
It's too bad that your mind and understanding has been darkened as to not have the ability to understand this. Maybe someday you'll grow up and start accepting the Truth Gospel which tell us to Awake to righteousness, and sin not (1 Corinthians 15:34)
It's too bad that so many don't know that God has provided a way for us to partake in HIS divine nature... but instead, sadly many want to waller around in that old sinful nature and continue sinning everyday in though word and deed.
2 Peter 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
If this is so, everyone everywhere is lost everyday. Noone abides at all times. Since this is not the case according to you as we are only saved once, abiding reflects our relational position to God: in fellowship or out of fellowship. This doesn't affect our positional reality: in Christ or not in Christ.
No one not in Christ has fellowship with God. Those in Christ have fellowship as they abide. A Christian out of fellowship doesn't lose their position in Christ; only its benefits.
God, is ALL KNOWING, correct?
so, He KNOWS, what your true intentions are.
if God, knows your true intentions are to Abide in Him, mistakes and all, and He knows your Faithful to repent, He will show you Grace and Mercy.
but, if you have a mind, that looks at Scripture and reasons it, he KNOWS, what you're doing.
you are NOT DOING as He Commanded.
So, why should He give Grace and Mercy to someone not willing to Obey Him?
I'm saying these are 2 different aspects of relationship. One deals with either being in relationship to God or not. The other deals with those who are in relationship to God. They are either in fellowship or out of fellowship.
For all men....in Christ or not.
For believers...in fellowship or not
There is no fellowship between light and darkness. Believers are translated out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light. Only believers can have fellowship with God. But for believers, sin inhibits fellowship. Confession restores it.
At no time are believers transferred back to the kingdom of darkness.
Why do you assume someone who disobeys God as a practice were ever saved?
don't you believe Obeying God is a works?
and you oppose works?
So-Called Saved People, are making this very Claim, on this Forum.
this is why i say it.
God KNOWS, the Intentions, of the Heart!
Yes, God knows His Elect. He has known them for a very, very long time.
I answered the question you asked. You write quickly. I write slowly. And I'm not arguing with anyone. I'm merely responding to statements and questions.
I believe believers will obey God and perform works. Why do you believe someone who has a lifestyle of sin was ever saved?
i do not see Obeying God as a Works.
i see it as I LOVE HIM so much I am willing to do everything He has told us to do.
i see it as I LOVE HIM so much I am willing to do everything He has told us to do.
not a lifestyle of sin, but a lifestyle, of not asking forgiveness for the sins they did commit after being Saved.