Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

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Jesus condemned Pharisees to hell, meaning they weren't worshipping God rightly either...

The obedience to the Jew’s teachings of the Laws of Moses was only temporary. This was only in view of the Jews, as well. Remember, the Gentiles were only included later in God’s program after Christ was risen. Nowhere does Scripture say that after Christ had risen that Gentile Christians were to go to the Jews and obey them. Gentiles were not even to obey the Laws of Moses according to Acts 15:1, Acts 15:5, and Acts 15:24. So this does not apply. We are not under the Law (i.e., the Law of Moses, the 613) according to Paul. Yes, certain laws have carried over or repeated in the many laws given to us by Jesus and His followers (like do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, etc). But when Jesus died upon the cross, the New Covenant began and the Old system with the 613 laws of Moses had ended. Gentiles are not obligated to keep the laws of Moses.

 

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The Bible talks about the saints (plural). They obviously would not all believe as you did. Why? Because your belief is new like some new religion that has never existed before.

No, it's called Catholicism and it's the oldest and biggest branch of Christianity. As I've said before, my opinion (and yours) is irrelevant, either the proof is there or it's not.

No, That’s a false misinterpretation by the sin and still be saved Christians of our day.

In regards to the parable of the building and it's materials in 1 Corinthians 3:

Paul says before the parable, "you are God's building."

So we are the materials that make up the building.

I believe Paul and the other apostles are a part of the foundation with Christ being the chief cornerstone or the ultimate baseline foundation (Ephesians 2:20), and that Paul's work in the gospel are the result of the Corinthians being initially saved by the gospel. However, Paul is now concerned that his labor in the gospel (concerning them) is now in vain because the Corinthians are now working the sins of strife and envying (Note: Paul condemns the sins of strife and envying when writing to the Galatians (Galatians 5:19-21). Paul says that they which do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God). In Galatians 4:11, Paul was concerned for the Galatians in that they were going back to the Old Law so as to be justified or saved. He was concerned that his labor for the gospel was in vain for the Galatians.

So the parable speaks of how his labor for the gospel (concerning the Corinthians) was now possibly in vain for them, too.

#1. The chief cornerstone foundation = Jesus Christ.

#2. Built as a part of the foundation on top of Christ = The apostles (including Paul, etc.) (Ephesians 2:20).

#3. The actual building materials of the tower or building = God's people (In this instance it would be the Corinthians).

#4. The Corinthians would be like: Wood, hay, and stubble in this particular point in time within their life while they abided in their sins of strife, and envying (Which are sins that will cause a person to not inherit the Kingdom of God).

Wood, hay, and stubble are not materials that could survive a fire.

#5. Paul (the soul winner, and builder of the gospel and builder upon the foundation of Jesus Christ) would be saved through the fire (despite his work - i.e. the Corinthians being his work) would be burned up because of their sins. For Paul then says that if any man defiles the temple, God will destroy them (Meaning: God will destroy the Corinthians if they do not repent of their sins). We are the temple of God. Our bodies are the temples of God. If we as believers defile our temples by sin, God will destroy us.


This is what I believe the parable is clearly saying.

Those are two completely different parables. Ephesians talks about the building blocks of the church, while Corinthians talks about works of the people in their own lives. In 1Corinthians 3:15 People who build upon the foundation of Christ get saved, while those who don't get condemned.

 

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Jesus condemned Pharisees to hell, meaning they weren't worshipping God rightly either...

Example: On the sermon on the mount, Jesus said to reconcile with your brother first before offering an animal sacrifice (i.e., gift - KJV). This command simply cannot be obeyed in a literal way under the New Covenant now. We do not offer animal sacrifices anymore. The temple veil was torn from top to bottom. The Old priesthood had ended and Jesus is our Heavenly high priest and spotless Lamb. So when Jesus said to his followers (who were JEWS), to submit to the Pharisees involving the Law, this was to Jews and not Gentiles. Acts 15 makes it clear that Gentiles are not under the Laws of Moses.

 

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No, it's called Catholicism and it's the oldest and biggest branch of Christianity. As I've said before, my opinion (and yours) is irrelevant, either the proof is there or it's not.

And that’s exactly what you shouldn’t join or trust them or give them any kind of credence. Jesus said, “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14).

FEW be there that find life (i.e., eternal life). If you were to read Matthew 7 again, you would find that Jesus is talking within the sphere of believers or professing believers. He is not talking about the few out of agnostics, atheists, pagan religionists, etcetera.

Those who are of the FEW are the faithful ones, and the many are the believers who justified sin or iniquity.

In 1Corinthians 3:15 People who build upon the foundation of Christ get saved, while those who don't get condemned.

You used the works get burned up interpretation which is a part of the false sin and still be saved version of Christians out there. This is a false interpretation. God does not agree with sin or a believer justifying sin.

 

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No, it's called Catholicism and it's the oldest and biggest branch of Christianity. As I've said before, my opinion (and yours) is irrelevant, either the proof is there or it's not.

So do you believe the Catholic Church will be saved?
Idolatry, and communicating with the dead are sins that will keep them out of God’s Kingdom.

 

[NTNT58]

The obedience to the Jew’s teachings of the Laws of Moses was only temporary. This was only in view of the Jews, as well. Remember, the Gentiles were only included later in God’s program after Christ was risen. Nowhere does Scripture say that after Christ had risen that Gentile Christians were to go to the Jews and obey them. Gentiles were not even to obey the Laws of Moses according to Acts 15:1, Acts 15:5, and Acts 15:24. So this does not apply. We are not under the Law (i.e., the Law of Moses, the 613) according to Paul. Yes, certain laws have carried over or repeated in the many laws given to us by Jesus and His followers (like do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, etc). But when Jesus died upon the cross, the New Covenant began and the Old system with the 613 laws of Moses had ended. Gentiles are not obligated to keep the laws of Moses.

The Catholic church are the new Pharasees, that's what I've been saying.

Also, we are not under *condemnation* of the law, but that doesn't mean we can just keep sinning by lying, coveting, and breaking the law.

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31)

The rules for new converts in Acts only included some of the laws, not even the ones that Jesus specified, so people wouldn't get discouraged from joining Christianity. That doesn't mean you have the right to break God's laws when you know better. In Mathew 5:18 Jesus said not one letter will disappear from the law, so either none of the laws are applicable or all of them are. I don't think he was talking about the 600+ Jewish laws, but only the 10 commandments, because Paul spoke against the need to keep some of the old 600 commandments.

Jesus died on the cross so our sins could be forgiven and our salvation secured. He did not die so you can keep sinning.

 

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And that’s exactly what you shouldn’t join or trust them or give them any kind of credence. Jesus said, “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14).

That is one massive logical fallacy. By your logic, Christianity isn't the narrow gate because it's the BIGGEST religion in the world.

Anyone who builds upon Christ and truly believes will get saved. It doesn't matter what church (if any) they are part of.

You used the works get burned up interpretation which is a part of the false sin and still be saved version of Christians out there. This is a false interpretation. God does not agree with sin or a believer justifying sin.

Everyone sins except Jesus. Jesus died on the cross to cover our sins so we get saved. We get saved as long as we build our lives upon him as the foundation. Fire will engulf this foundation and all sinful works will be burned and only the righteous works will remain.

 

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So do you believe the Catholic Church will be saved?
Idolatry, and communicating with the dead are sins that will keep them out of God’s Kingdom.

Anyone who builds their life on the foundation of Jesus will be saved.

 

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Peter was listed first among disciples (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13).
Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28).
On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7).
It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17).
An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34).
He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41).
He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23).
He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11).
It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).
Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven in Mathew 16:19 because he was the first one to acknowledge him as the Messiah.
After the Resurrection, Jesus appeared to his disciples and asked Peter three times, “Do you love me?” (John 21:15-17). In repentance for his threefold denial, Peter gave a threefold affirmation of love. Then Christ, the Good Shepherd (John 10:11, 14), gave Peter the authority he earlier had promised: “Feed my sheep” (John 21:17). This specifically included the other apostles, since Jesus asked Peter, “Do you love me more than these?” (John 21:15), the word “these” referring to the other apostles who were present (John 21:2).

That really does not prove anything. Just assumptions.

Read this article here:

https://jashow.org/articles/how-con...ic-view-that-peter-was-the-first-pope-part-1/

 

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Anyone who builds their life on the foundation of Jesus will be saved.

No they won’t. Believers in the Kingdom who justify sin will be gathered out by Christ’s angels and cast into the furnace of fire (i.e., the Lake of Fire).

Behold, Matthew 13.

Matthew 13:41-43

41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;​

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.​

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”​

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So anyone who does iniquity in God’s Kingdom will be cast out. This is not surprising because Jesus even warned about how looking at a woman in lust will cause a person to be cast bodily into hellife (Matthew 5:28-30). Jesus warned if we do not forgive, we will not be forgiven (Matthew 6:15). Paul warns that if we do not provide for own we have denied the faith, and we are worse than an infidel (unbeliever). Only a believer can be worse than unbeliever, and unbelievers will not be saved.

 

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That is one massive logical fallacy. By your logic, Christianity isn't the narrow gate because it's the BIGGEST religion in the world.

Anyone who builds upon Christ and truly believes will get saved. It doesn't matter what church (if any) they are part of.

I am asking you to read Matthew 7. Where does it talk about the many being atheists, agnostics, and pagan religionists? It doesn’t. We see that those who did works in His name were cast out and told to depart from Jesus because they worked iniquity. Meaning, the many are believers who justified sin. That’s why they didn’t make it into God’s Kingdom.

Everyone sins except Jesus. Jesus died on the cross to cover our sins so we get saved. We get saved as long as we build our lives upon him as the foundation. Fire will engulf this foundation and all sinful works will be burned and only the righteous works will remain.

As I mentioned to you before. That is a false interpretation on 1 Corinthians 3. Paul is talking about the Corinthians being his work and they will be in danger of being burned up in the Lake of Fire with Paul being saved through the fire. So if you bring somebody to the faith, and you remain faithful to the Lord, and they later became unfaithful, your work (who is that person you brought to the Lord) will be burned because they will not be saved; But you will be saved (because you were faithful).

 

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It’s why if you defile the temple (by sin), God will destroy you (In the Lake of Fire).

 

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That really does not prove anything. Just assumptions.

Read this article here:

https://jashow.org/articles/how-con...ic-view-that-peter-was-the-first-pope-part-1/

On the contrary, the article you posted only addresses a few of the points I made and it's mostly assumptions on your part. Nowhere did I claim that Peter was the rock upon which the church was built, and nowhere did I claim that he was infallible. I gave you specific examples of proof, and you just sent me a generic article (I bet you didn't even read it). I can also send you some generic article made by Catholics. So, instead of spamming each other, why don't you specify which one of my points you disagree with and provide proof using verses. You don't get to dismiss information you disagree with just by saying "it doesn't prove anything" when in fact it actually does.

 

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No they won’t. Believers in the Kingdom who justify sin will be gathered out by Christ’s angels and cast into the furnace of fire (i.e., the Lake of Fire).

Behold, Matthew 13.

Matthew 13:41-43

41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;​

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.​

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”​

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So anyone who does iniquity in God’s Kingdom will be cast out. This is not surprising because Jesus even warned about how looking at a woman in lust will cause a person to be cast bodily into hellife (Matthew 5:28-30). Jesus warned if we do not forgive, we will not be forgiven (Matthew 6:15). Paul warns that if we do not provide for own we have denied the faith, and we are worse than an infidel (unbeliever). Only a believer can be worse than unbeliever, and unbelievers will not be saved.

I don't think you're in position to be judging people, especially since you think you don't have to follow God's law (as you mentioned in your previous comment). By misinterpreting "not under the law" you are justifying sin yourself. Or do you actually believe you "can't sin" because your faith makes all your deeds "not a sin"? That is called antinomianism, and it's a horrible heresy. Everyone sins. Nobody knows where the line is between grieving the holy spirit vs blaspheming the holy spirit. One thing for certain is - you sin.

 

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I am asking you to read Matthew 7. Where does it talk about the many being atheists, agnostics, and pagan religionists? It doesn’t. We see that those who did works in His name were cast out and told to depart from Jesus because they worked iniquity. Meaning, the many are believers who justified sin. That’s why they didn’t make it into God’s Kingdom.

Catholics are not pagan, they are just confused... just like you with your disregard for God's 10 commandments. Only those who deliberately keep rebelling against God end up in hell. I agree many people lie to themselves and others when they call themselves Christians, but those who are truthful will be saved.

As I mentioned to you before. That is a false interpretation on 1 Corinthians 3. Paul is talking about the Corinthians being his work and they will be in danger of being burned up in the Lake of Fire with Paul being saved through the fire. So if you bring somebody to the faith, and you remain faithful to the Lord, and they later became unfaithful, your work (who is that person you brought to the Lord) will be burned because they will not be saved; But you will be saved (because you were faithful).

"10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

If you read past verse 10, the work is symbolized in gold, silver, etc, not people, but works done by the people. Not just saving others, but ALL works. It's for the rewards of the people who build on the foundation of Christ. Everyone builds their own work on the foundation of either Christ or the world. Those who build on Christ will have their works tested by fire, but will escape alive no matter what, while those who don't build on the foundation of Christ will be condemned.

 

[Dino246]

You completely missed the point. If a fetus is not alive then it's not murder to kill it. Do you think abortion is ok?

I see you share your fellow KJV-only proponent’s penchant for stupid and insulting questions.

 

[Sipsey]

I see you share your fellow KJV-only proponent’s penchant for stupid and insulting questions.

Did this thread take a u-turn?

 

[Dino246]

Satanists and Mormons do not have authority over the church, the Pope does. I've provided you with ample proof of Peter being the leader of the apostles, and you have not refuted a single one.

The ‘pope’ has no connection to Peter, and any ‘authority’ the Peter held certainly would not transfer to an apostate institution.

 

[Dino246]

Did this thread take a u-turn?

No, unfortunately it’s right on its original trajectory.

 

[Dino246]

I am enlightening you, dear sir. You had no idea of the claims I made and you wanted proof.
So I provided it because you did not know. If you knew, you would have not asked for me to support my statements involving the false doctrines that I mentioned.

More arrogant folly. This site does not permit me to put in print what I think of your attitude.