We are not yet in the New Covenant prophecied by Jeremiah and Ezekiel - that is the Millennial reign

[posthuman]

Is Paul right in Hebrews 8:8 (assuming Paul wrote it) when he quotes Jeremiah 31:31-34 and assumes that the new covenant Jesus started is the same New Covenant prophecied in the Old Testament?

polly should be a big red flag right away if one's interpretation of one scripture makes one believe another scripture is wrong.

i'd re-evaluate that interpretation.

 

[Cameron143]

Not true. Can you tell me where in the Bible there is a justification for Jesus not keeping the Sabbath as in Mark 2? The Bible does not say that you can break the commandments or relax yourself in certain circumstances. But that is common sense and Jesus did so rightly and even the Talmud writes a principle on this - Pikuach Nefesh. Scripture is whatever is true. The Word of G-d is whatever is true. Truth is the Word of G-d. Period.

He's the Lord of the sabbath.
The sabbath had been perverted. Jesus was showing that the sabbath was made for man; not man for the sabbath.

 

[selahsays]

I have already explained that. He did start a new covenant but that is part of the Old Covenant just as Moses, David, Abraham all had separate covenants/promises made to them in the same covenant which we call the Old Covenant. The New Covenant mentioned in the Old Testament in Ezekiel and Jeremiah will start only after the expectations mentioned about it there are fulfilled. I've explained what those expectations are in the document.

I’m not following. Don’t you know that the books of Ezekiel and Jeremiah are prophecy?

 

[DavidIsrael]

Yes, and I too am speaking about the New Covenant (capitalized). It is presently in effect, so you are actually REJECTING the words of Christ or the significance of His shed blood for the New Covenant.

You did not really answer this question. You did not say anything about the shed blood of Christ, and how it applies to you, and how it is related to being saved by grace. So you have a very serious problem right there.

Firstly, it is you who has not explained how the two covenants are the same when in reality the New Covenant promised in the OT has to have expectations that need to be fulfilled before it starts. Can you tell me when those expectations were fulfilled? It's mentioned in my document.

Secondly, when I said the Holy Spirit revealed things about Jesus to me, of course I also mean that I believe Jesus died for my sins and shed His blood for me. "Without the shedding of blood, there can be no forgiveness". I am saved by grace but my works will reveal my faith. "Ye shall know them by their fruit".

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

everything in Daniel 11:40-41 / Ezekiel 38/39 has been fulfilled but the literal invasion by Gog/Magog currently happening in this Israel/HAMAS War.

1. China, backed by GOG/MAGOG [Russia] has 6 Battleships
2. Iran is supplying Gog/Magog [Russia] with weapons and so is South Korea
3. the Brics Union, the U.N., Great Britain, Germany, and NOW the USA all WARNING Israel.
4. Biden AGREED to give JERUSALEM back to the Muslims after this WAR
5. there's 12 Military Forces currently in that area
6. U.N. dropped charges against Iran, who has 128 kilos of Uranium, enough for THREE Nuclear Bombs + other weapons

and WAR resumes in 3 hours after a 4 day Prisoner swap

this will lead to a Peace Treaty.

WHO, do you think Israel will listen to now that everyone has become their enemy?

the AC?

DO YOU NOT KNOW where we are at in God's Timing?


40 And at the time of the end, the king of the south will clash with him, and the king of the north will storm over him with chariots, with horsemen, and with many ships, and he will come into the lands and inundate and pass.

41 And he will come into the land of beauty, and many will stumble, and these will escape from his hand: Edom, Moab, and the choice of the children of Ammon.

 

[DavidIsrael]

He's the Lord of the sabbath.
The sabbath had been perverted. Jesus was showing that the sabbath was made for man; not man for the sabbath.

So if John the Baptizer or anyone else had not kept the Sabbath for the same reason (to save a life), that would have been wrong? We all know that is not true but the Scripture does not say that but still we realize that commandments can be relaxed when a life is in danger.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

[O]n Wednesday, the U.N.’s International Atomic Energy Agency issued a scathing report on Iran’s nuclear program. … Iran now has at least 128.3 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium that can be quickly enriched to bomb-grade levels sufficient to build three nuclear bombs. …the IAEA is convinced Iran has undeclared nuclear material at four sites. …

Helprin summarized Iran’s missile capabilities thusly: “Iran’s minimum of 3,000 ballistic missiles and land-attack cruise missiles of at least 26 types include 15 varieties capable of reaching Israel, with warheads from 1,650 to 2,200 pounds. … Though Israel’s missile defenses can degrade a missile barrage, they cannot prevent catastrophic damage.”

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The [Biden] administration [has] demand[ed] that Israel abandon Gaza after the war; permit Hamas’s junior partner the Palestinian Authority to take over on the backs of IDF soldiers; and commit to the establishment of a Palestinian state in Gaza, Judea and Samaria, and Jerusalem…

… Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected this U.S. demand. In response, U.S. officials and former officials began briefing reporters that they seek the replacement of the government with “more moderate” actors.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

how blind can we be?

 

[selahsays]

everything in Daniel 11:40-41 / Ezekiel 38/39 has been fulfilled but the literal invasion by Gog/Magog currently happening in this Israel/HAMAS War.

1. China, backed by GOG/MAGOG [Russia] has 6 Battleships
2. Iran is supplying Gog/Magog [Russia] with weapons and so is South Korea
3. the Brics Union, the U.N., Great Britain, Germany, and NOW the USA all WARNING Israel.
4. Biden AGREED to give JERUSALEM back to the Muslims after this WAR
5. there's 12 Military Forces currently in that area
6. U.N. dropped charges against Iran, who has 128 kilos of Uranium, enough for THREE Nuclear Bombs + other weapons

and WAR resumes in 3 hours after a 4 day Prisoner swap

this will lead to a Peace Treaty.

WHO, do you think Israel will listen to now that everyone has become their enemy?

the AC?

DO YOU NOT KNOW where we are at in God's Timing?


40 And at the time of the end, the king of the south will clash with him, and the king of the north will storm over him with chariots, with horsemen, and with many ships, and he will come into the lands and inundate and pass.

41 And he will come into the land of beauty, and many will stumble, and these will escape from his hand: Edom, Moab, and the choice of the children of Ammon.

I believe that the battles of Gog and Magog (Revelation 20) happen after the Millennium.

Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

- Revelation 20:7-9

 

[posthuman]

The real sign to King Ahaz is that Isaiah’s child will be born quickly " (https://aish.com/does-isaiah-714-refer-to-a-virgin-birth/).

regarding the article you cited written by an apostate unbelieving Jew,

Matthew 1:18-25 makes it indisputably clear that the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14 refers to a virgin birth.

 

[Cameron143]

So if John the Baptizer or anyone else had not kept the Sabbath for the same reason (to save a life), that would have been wrong? We all know that is not true but the Scripture does not say that but still we realize that commandments can be relaxed when a life is in danger.

Jesus didn't break the commandment; He fulfilled it. As would we. If you can get an ox out of a ditch, you can surely get a person out of their "ditches".
But I'm not under the old covenant. No such demands exist for me. But since you believe you are, you might want to take a close look at Matthew 9:10-13.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I believe that the battles of Gog and Magog (Revelation 20) happen after the Millennium.

so, what Event happens that the AC can make a 7 year Peace Treaty over?
it's a WAR that happens and then Peace Treaty is made.
it also includes Israel.
so, outside Daniel, Psalms, Ezekiel, what OTHER WAR is Israel supposed to be in when this Peace Treaty is made?
because, ONLY this WAR is mentioned, no other War.

 

[posthuman]

Claims Require Proof:
Here you are making a philosophical claim about scripture, without proving that claim.
Claims require proof.
We can't just claim a thing because we "feel" it is true, or "say" it is true.

Let's examine the claim:
CLAIM: A prophecy cannot have a double meaning because that would indicate deceit.
a.) Logically, deceit would only occur if two propositions contradict each other.
b.) It is common for multiple propositions to be different, but without containing a contradiction between them.
c.) Therefore, there is no logical reason a passage cannot contain several propositions which are different in some way (more than one meaning or point) without also containing contradictions or deceit.

CONCLUSION:
1.) If we make a claim that does not hold up to simple logic, or to simple principles of language, then it is proven false.
2.) It IS possible that some prophecies, or all prophecies, do NOT contain dual meanings. But if so, this would only mean there is some other explanation, because the explanation you gave is already proven to be false.


Take care everyone, and have a great week.

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yes,

as an example -

John 11:49-52​

And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, ​

"You know nothing at all, nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish." ​

Now this he did not say on his own [authority;] but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad.​

multiple "meanings" spoken by the Holy Spirit in one prophecy, each non-contradictory but separately true

 

[selahsays]

so, what Event happens that the AC can make a 7 year Peace Treaty over?
it's a WAR that happens and then Peace Treaty is made.
it also includes Israel.
so, outside Daniel, Psalms, Ezekiel, what OTHER WAR is Israel supposed to be in when this Peace Treaty is made?
because, ONLY this WAR is mentioned, no other War.

I don’t know. I know that the battle of Armageddon happens at mount Megiddo in Jerusalem at the 7th trump, though.
And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon. Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done!"

- Revelation 16:16-17

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I don’t know. I know that the battle of Armageddon happens at mount Megiddo in Jerusalem at the 7th trump, though.
And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon. Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done!"

- Revelation 16:16-17

ok, yeah that has ^ the physical Jesus as King of kings and Lords of lords.

the War in Daniel/Psalms/Ezekiel, have the ANTICHRIST making Peace.

Jesus, in Armageddon is not making Peace, He is DESTROYING.

so, in what i understand, 2 different wars.

the WAR that brings Peace, then the WAR that kills the SINNERS.

 

[posthuman]

What was the ideal scenario - He would have been accepted as the Messiah, He would have been made King, He would have brought the Lost Tribes of Israel back, and so on. But no one would have died for our sins

Jesus explained on the Emmaus road that the Messiah HAD TO suffer, that the Tanakh says so - - disagree that the appearing of the Christ was some sort of "failed mission" because "human will prevented God's optimal schedule"

we know the ideal thing was the thing that happened, because it was the work of omniscient God. as Paul said in another letter, Christ appears at "just the right time"

 

[selahsays]

ok, yeah that has ^ the physical Jesus as King of kings and Lords of lords.

the War in Daniel/Psalms/Ezekiel, have the ANTICHRIST making Peace.

Jesus, in Armageddon is not making Peace, He is DESTROYING.

so, in what i understand, 2 different wars.

the WAR that brings Peace, then the WAR that kills the SINNERS.

Yeah; the other one being Hamon-gog, I believe.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Yeah; the other one being Hamon-gog, I believe.

Think about it this way:

One Book says Gog attacks Israel and the other claims in the end Gog aligns with Satan to deceive the people.

1 is about them in war against Israel and 1 is about them against God.

2 different scenarios both including Gog.

 

[Dino246]

I don't agree. He is not intending to speak through "near" and "far" fulfillment. It just so happened that it didn't get fulfilled fully the first time, because Man was not ready, and hence has to be fulfilled again.

Where is that in Scripture?

When there is double "meaning" in anything, there is a hidden and often not-very-good intention behind it.

Again, where is that in Scripture?

Rome is in control of the world even now

Um, no, it's not.

...on the cross where he died of asphyxiation - that is key too, G-d took away the breath from Jesus that He blew into Adam because Jesus was the Second Adam) so that our sins could be redeemed.

For the third time, where is that in Scripture?

As such, G-d wouldn't want any prophecy to have any double or hidden meanings

Fourth time.

But surely it is a test of our humility and whether we are willing to be patient to wait for Him to reveal things than just we jumping to conclusions. It is just that Man is not ready for G-d's plans and always has his own interpretations and lenses and G-d enjoys showing such men how they are wrong.

And... number five. You're on a roll. Any other unbiblical speculation you want to add, while you're at it?