about Suicide

[Angela53510]

1 John 5:3
For this IS the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

The mercy of God and the grace of God... is to warn others that false doctrines leads to perdition.

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.





I've been there myself, more than once. I used to be a drunk and a drug addict back in the day and came from a family where if you died, they wouldn't even miss you!

The Lord personally walked me thru His Word and taught me how to engage in spiritual warfare. None of the pastors in the churches I went to over the years knew beans about spiritual warfare so they were useless concerning spiritual growth!

It's a slick trick of the devil to have well known preachers go around claiming if a Christian kills themselves they will go to Heaven... these are all false teachers satan is using to get this message out.

And surprise!... these false teachers all believe in OSAS so they all ultimately believe one goes to Heaven anyway even if they live in sin including the SIN of killing themselves.

Many of these false teachers engage in double speak and publicly claim they don't believe in OSAS but later when corned with the question of is there anyway a Christian would not go to Heaven even if living in sin... they always say no, there is no way a Christian would ever not to to Heaven.





And, that's their own fault!... THEY allowed the devil to deceive them because they failed to submit themselves to God and resist the devil making him flee (James 4:7).

That was the turning point in my life when I learned to quit blaming others for my problem and realize my problems are caused by my lack of submission unto the Lord and dying to self, taking up my cross and following the Lord daily.

People that have no hope... it's all about them and they are feeling sorry for themselves cause it's all about them and how they feel and their problems and boo whoo woe is me!

One must learn that it's all about the LORD and what He wants and to die to self and abide IN HIM as a part of the Body of Christ and cast our own cares, worries, and hurts away.






Are you saying if one sows to the flesh (do sinful things), they don't reap corruption?

That is mocking God according to Galatians 6:7-8 and is the belief that one can live in sin and still be in right standing before the Lord... both of which false doctrines that pleases satan very much as this is his message!

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
God gave man free will... if man chooses to turn and walk away from the Lord, God will let them do so.

This is a major biblical truth the OSAS crowd always explains away or denies is simply this... God is NOT mocked, what we sow is what we reap - if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption. (Gal 6:7,8)

In Gal 6:8, the word corruption is...

G5356
fthora from G5351; decay, i.e. ruin -- corruption, destroy, perish.

G5351
strengthened from phthio (to pine or waste); properly, to shrivel or wither, i.e. to spoil or to ruin, by moral influences, to deprave): -- corrupt (self), defile, destroy.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

Adam and Eve were given eternal life by the Lord when He created them... but when they sinned against God they became corrupt and died spiritually and became separated from God.

So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.


Romans 8:11-13
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

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When someone quotes Strong's, without even the word in proper Koine Greek letters, it tells me the person has no understanding or Mastery of the original languages.

Try using a lexicon. That is Greek to Greek- BDAG or Hebrew to Hebrew.

Again, you have lost the words racham, or compassion, which is splagzyomai in Greek. That means twisting of the bowels. It refers to a deep love and caring for those who are hurting. You seem to have lost that, with your condemnation and judgement. I pray God will touch you fresh and you will understand his mercy and compassion, which does not consist of judgement or condemnation.

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" Romans 8:1

I notice you don't go to church. Is that because you are to hard to get along with? I know you will probably spout something about doctrine, but usually, God cares how we treat others, before correct doctrine. I am really big on correct doctrine, but not when it means shutting people out of the kingdom of God.

 

[Gideon300]

When someone quotes Strong's, without even the word in proper Koine Greek letters, it tells me the person has no understanding or Mastery of the original languages.

Try using a lexicon. That is Greek to Greek- BDAG or Hebrew to Hebrew.

Again, you have lost the words racham, or compassion, which is splagzyomai in Greek. That means twisting of the bowels. It refers to a deep love and caring for those who are hurting. You seem to have lost that, with your condemnation and judgement. I pray God will touch you fresh and you will understand his mercy and compassion, which does not consist of judgement or condemnation.

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" Romans 8:1

I notice you don't go to church. Is that because you are to hard to get along with? I know you will probably spout something about doctrine, but usually, God cares how we treat others, before correct doctrine. I am really big on correct doctrine, but not when it means shutting people out of the kingdom of God.

Thank you for your insight.
"We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death." 1 John 3:14

 

[Magenta]

Romans 13:10

 

[JimmyTheLock]

When someone quotes Strong's, without even the word in proper Koine Greek letters, it tells me the person has no understanding or Mastery of the original languages.

So... blah, blah, blah, this all means Christians are authorized by the Lord to self murder and it's all good with Jesus... right?

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" Romans 8:1

You quoted that wrongly... Here's what it actually says in the original MAJORITY text

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The deceivers always claim that second part of not supposed to be in God's Word.

They of course do this because they are not being led by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.


It says the same thing if you keep reading in Romans 8...

Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

*This is referring to the Law of Christ that believers live under today which is the Lord's moral law that's always been in effect that followers of antinomianism try to explain away (see Galatians 6:2, 1 Corinthians 9:21, James 2:12, James 1:25)

Romans 8:5
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Romans 8:6,7
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Romans 8:13,14
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 13:14
But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Then there is...

Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:28-32
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Romans 6:1,2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth

Galatians 6:8
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption
All these verses indicate condemnation and corruption for anyone walking after the flesh which is living in sin.


All these verses indicate condemnation and corruption for anyone walking after the flesh which is living in sin.

Do you claim all these are not in the original text?

 

[PennEd]

When someone quotes Strong's, without even the word in proper Koine Greek letters, it tells me the person has no understanding or Mastery of the original languages.

Try using a lexicon. That is Greek to Greek- BDAG or Hebrew to Hebrew.

Again, you have lost the words racham, or compassion, which is splagzyomai in Greek. That means twisting of the bowels. It refers to a deep love and caring for those who are hurting. You seem to have lost that, with your condemnation and judgement. I pray God will touch you fresh and you will understand his mercy and compassion, which does not consist of judgement or condemnation.

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" Romans 8:1

I notice you don't go to church. Is that because you are to hard to get along with? I know you will probably spout something about doctrine, but usually, God cares how we treat others, before correct doctrine. I am really big on correct doctrine, but not when it means shutting people out of the kingdom of God.

This one exceeds in running around with a pocket full of stones, continuously pointing out others sin.

It’s been my experience that those that do that are trying to hide the guilt of their own.

 

[PennEd]

If we die with sin on our record then it stays with us for eternity which means it cannot be taken away.

We cannot repent of our sins after we die for if that was the case then everybody would be saved, for the people that died in their sins would not say I think I will stay in my sins, even though I cannot enjoy sin anymore, and not be with God with joy, and peace, and love.

If a person commits suicide which is a sin then how do they repent of it after the act of suicide for they are dead which means it is on their record for eternity.

This is true.

But thankfully Jesus Christ put all our sin onto HIS record and paid that debt to all who believe and trust in Him.

 

[PennEd]

Wondering what “Jimmy” would say to our Lord about His statement here?


John 10:18

New King James Version
18 No one takes it (His Life) from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

 

[JimmyTheLock]

It’s been my experience that those that do that are trying to hide the guilt of their own.

Good thing your "experiences" don't speak for others, eh?

Those that argue in favor of being able to continue in sin and still be right with the Lord... are mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

Wondering what “Jimmy” would say to our Lord about His statement here?

John 10:18

New King James Version
18 No one takes it (His Life) from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

Why would I or anyone else deny what thew Lord says?

And what does this have to do with OSAS people's doctrine being deceptive and UN-biblical?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The Bible says as Jonah was dying, his thoughts remembered God and God sent a fish to swallow him.

6 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul; the deep was round about me; the weeds were wrapped about my head.
7 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars closed upon me for ever; yet hast Thou brought up my life from the pit, O LORD my God.
8 When my soul fainted within me, I remembered the LORD; and my prayer came in unto Thee, into Thy holy temple.

many forms of suicide.
i am not opposed to thinking, anyone, in their final moments, if they call out to God in their thoughts, He will Save them.
they will die and wake up in Eternity with God.


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as for the condition of the person's soul and mental status, if you borrow from a loan shark, and they're knocking on your door to collect, and you can't pay, so you squeeze a round into the membrane, i don't think much Mercy will be Awarded.

same like Jefferey Eppstein [Child Trafficker-kidnapper-sold them and turned them into hookers] so you commit suicide because you have info that can bury tons of people and they will get you behind bars, i don't think much Mercy will be Awarded.
^
and i could be wrong about both examples.

if Jeff sought forgiveness while swinging from his bed-sheet, hey, HEAVEN, is full of HORRIBLE SINFUL People who got Saved.


but if someone is not all there mentally.
and they become trapped in a deep depression.
and no one sees them or is paying attention and they think they're worthless so why be alive.
God KNOWS the Heart.
just because the mind is bad, doesn't mean the heart isn't good.
many people who suffer have the best hearts.
billion times better than my heart.
I believe God has Mercy upon them.

 

[TheLearner]

interresting discussion. When someone I run across who is thinking about doing it. I ask them how will those they know going to react? Will some of them going to be seriously depressed? Would one of them kill themself too? Only once, did someone say I don't care how they feel. Myself and someone else restrained him until the Police took him to be evaluated. I told the Police exactly what he said to me and what I said to him. He was committed for his own safety.

 

[JimmyTheLock]

The Bible says as Jonah was dying, his thoughts remembered God and God sent a fish to swallow him.

Jonah was not committing suicide, so this is not even related to the topic of suicide.

the Police took him to be evaluated.... He was committed for his own safety.

Uh huh, and the godless psychiatrists, shrinks, and head doctors were all useless to this guy too... after a few days they always let them back out on to the street

These people are so useless that when something thinking of suicide calls the suicide hotline to get help ... they put them on hold!

God KNOWS the Heart.

Ye He does... and those that have a good heart choose to be led by the Holy Spirit and they ... don't murder themselves