Is Baptism in water a work or a command? Is it necessary for salvation?
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Absolutely, I agree with this!
But you didn't address the failed continued action resulting in lose of salvation. Here is another example. God called Moses to lead the Israelites. On his way to Egypt, God is going to kill him because he is not in covenant relationship with God. If his wife (or Moses) hadn't obeyed the commandment, God would have killed him and found another to lead them out.
But you didn't address the failed continued action resulting in lose of salvation. Here is another example. God called Moses to lead the Israelites. On his way to Egypt, God is going to kill him because he is not in covenant relationship with God. If his wife (or Moses) hadn't obeyed the commandment, God would have killed him and found another to lead them out.
I actually covered this with you before. Ephesians 4 speaks of our baptism into Christ. Ephesians 1 is what you find in the book of Acts. It happened more than twice, and is still available to believers. It is little taught, thus, little sought. There is an awesome book by Martyn Lloyd Jones on the subject called Joy Unspeakable.
Eph 1 is talking about being in Christ. What did the Ephesians do to get into Christ.
Let's look at baptized WITH the HS.
Jn. 1:33 I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ Hasn't happened, still future.
Acts 1:5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Still future.
Here we see what baptized with the HS looks like. Acts 2:4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. We see it is directly from God and evident by speaking in tongues.
The next and only other time we see baptism with the HS is here.
Acts 10:45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. 46 For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God.
Again, directly from God and evident by speaking in tongues.
When Peter later talks about this conversion, notice what he says.
Acts 11:15As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning. 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
These two times are the only times we are told "baptized with the HS" and the only two time we see "baptized with the HS". I know of zero times we are told baptism of the HS or "spiritual baptism" and zero time I see it.
Let's look at baptized WITH the HS.
Jn. 1:33 I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ Hasn't happened, still future.
Acts 1:5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Still future.
Here we see what baptized with the HS looks like. Acts 2:4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. We see it is directly from God and evident by speaking in tongues.
The next and only other time we see baptism with the HS is here.
Acts 10:45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. 46 For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God.
Again, directly from God and evident by speaking in tongues.
When Peter later talks about this conversion, notice what he says.
Acts 11:15As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning. 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
These two times are the only times we are told "baptized with the HS" and the only two time we see "baptized with the HS". I know of zero times we are told baptism of the HS or "spiritual baptism" and zero time I see it.
Right. Being placed in Christ is a work of God, not man. It is a spiritual activity. Being placed in water is a physical activity. It is the work of men. So we aren't really arguing between the work of God and the work of men. We are arguing what comes first.
In every one of the examples I shared, faith proceeded works. Why is this not true of baptism?
In every one of the examples I shared, faith proceeded works. Why is this not true of baptism?
I agree faith always proceeds works. We are on the same page at this point.
As for baptism, it's not an outward showing of an inward change as some claim.
It's how:
-we are added to Christ
41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.
27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
- our sins are washed away
16 Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins by calling on His name.’
- we are united in death with Christ
4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death
- how we are resurrected with Christ
21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
- we are circumcised by Christ
11 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with Him in baptism,
Baptism is an appeal to God for a good conscience.
—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—
Does the bible tell us there is any other way to appeal to God? Sinners prayer? Ask Jesus into your heart?
As for baptism, it's not an outward showing of an inward change as some claim.
It's how:
-we are added to Christ
41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.
27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
- our sins are washed away
16 Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins by calling on His name.’
- we are united in death with Christ
4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death
- how we are resurrected with Christ
21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
- we are circumcised by Christ
11 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision performed without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with Him in baptism,
Baptism is an appeal to God for a good conscience.
—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—
Does the bible tell us there is any other way to appeal to God? Sinners prayer? Ask Jesus into your heart?
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