Who Justifieth the Ungodly

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If Christ didn't Justify them by His death by dying for their sins, He could not have and would not have been raised again for their Justification !

... the Lord Jesus Christ would have been raised from the dead even if no one believed for it was not possible for death to hold Him:

Acts 2:24 Whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.


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The world of 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

This world is a justified world due to the non imputation of their sins, All who belong to this world have been legally discharged from guilt and punishment of their iniquities. God doesn't lay any charge against them which declares them Justified by His own act Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 27

 

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2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

This world is a justified world due to the non imputation of their sins, All who belong to this world have been legally discharged from guilt and punishment of their iniquities

... nope ... please note that the not imputing their trespasses unto them is conditioned upon reconciliation [Greek katallassó].

In 2 Corinthians 5:19, the word "reconciling" is translated from the Greek word katallássō which means decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

Reconciliation on the part of God to mankind took place before the foundation of the world.

Reconciliation on the part of man to God takes place at the time a person turns to God in faith ... at that point the "non imputation of sin" occurs.

Those who reject God even as He reaches out to them are not reconciled to God ... not because God has not made provision for them, but because they reject that which God has provided for them to be reconciled to God.

Those who turn to God in faith are the ones to whom God does not impute sin.
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[brightfame52]

Christ dying alone is the elect sinners Justification before God ! Hence Paul preached 1 Cor 2:2

For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.


Gal 6:14

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

Rom 8:33-34

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Mans religion denies this blessed truth of the Justifying death of Christ for elect sinners, and they say no, the sinner must be Justified by Faith, which of course is also true in its proper place, but to preach that in neglect of Justification solely by the Death/Blood of Christ alone is grave error and denounces the meritorious blood of Christ ! 28

 

[brightfame52]

... nope ... please note that the not imputing their trespasses unto them is conditioned upon reconciliation [Greek katallassó].

In 2 Corinthians 5:19, the word "reconciling" is translated from the Greek word katallássō which means decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

Reconciliation on the part of God to mankind took place before the foundation of the world.

Reconciliation on the part of man to God takes place at the time a person turns to God in faith ... at that point the "non imputation of sin" occurs.

Those who reject God even as He reaches out to them are not reconciled to God ... not because God has not made provision for them, but because they reject that which God has provided for them to be reconciled to God.

Those who turn to God in faith are the ones to whom God does not impute sin.
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You flat out deny the Truth of the Non imputation of sins and its consequence. Thats a denial of the Gospel friend,

 

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elect sinners

another made up concept in your futile attempt to bring Scripture into alignment with your erroneous dogma ... right up there with "those He died for do not have to believe it, accept itor do anything but continue being ungodly sinners" .

Christ dying alone is the elect sinners Justification before God !

let's read what is written in Scripture:

Romans 3:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Mans religion denies this blessed truth of the Justifying death of Christ

... more straw man from brightfame52 ... no one who has submitted posts to this thread "denies" the Lord Jesus Christ.

That you believe such a lie is indicative of your inability to comprehend what is written ... and you do the same with Scripture ... the very Word of God.
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[brightfame52]

Man in his proud religion today detract from the Glory of Christ in Justification by His Blood and righteousness alone by stating not until man believes is he Justified before God. What this does, is to say that Christs blood and righteousness alone was insufficient and lacked merit before God in and of itself to Justify before God, but needed added to it mans act of believing. 28

 

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Man in his proud religion today detract from the Glory of Christ in Justification by His Blood and righteousness alone by stating not until man believes is he Justified before God. What this does, is to say that Christs blood and righteousness alone was insufficient and lacked merit before God in and of itself to Justify before God, but needed added to it mans act of believing.

straw man fallacy

The straw-man fallacy is when a person misrepresents his opponent's position and then proceeds to refute that misrepresentation (i.e., the "straw man") rather than what his opponent actually claims.


What is written in Scripture:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!


Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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[brightfame52]

straw man fallacy

The straw-man fallacy is when a person misrepresents his opponent's position and then proceeds to refute that misrepresentation (i.e., the "straw man") rather than what his opponent actually claims.


What is written in Scripture:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!


Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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See you give more credit and efficacy to mans act of believing for Justification before God than the Blood of Christ.

 

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See you give more credit and efficacy to mans act of believing for Justification before God than the Blood of Christ.

straw man fallacy

The straw-man fallacy is when a person misrepresents his opponent's position and then proceeds to refute that misrepresentation (i.e., the "straw man") rather than what his opponent actually claims.


Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

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Now even though God does Justify the elect while they are enemies, ungodly, and unbelievers Rom 4:5,, its not for that reason He justifies them, no He justifies them while they're in that wicked state because He reckons them righteous still with the Gift of imputed righteousness . See even in a wicked state God has still so graciously made Christ to be unto them 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness/Justification, and sanctification, and redemption:

 

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Now in what sense is Justification by Faith necessary ? Its very necessary in that Faith gives Gods elect a conscience knowledge of of their Justification before God. Its similar as it was said of Johns ministry Luke 1:77

To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, 28

 

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God does Justify the elect while they are enemies, ungodly, and unbelievers

... nope ... if they are justified, they are no longer enemies, no longer ungodly, no longer unbelievers.

He justifies them while they're in that wicked state because He reckons them righteous still with the Gift of imputed righteousness .

Scripture tells us when God justifies a person:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

even in a wicked state God has still so graciously made Christ to be unto them 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, andrighteousness/Justification, and sanctification, and redemption

... if a person is in Christ Jesus, he or she is no longer "in a wicked state".


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Now in what sense is Justification by Faith necessary ?

... instead of making stuff up, why don't you just read Scripture ???

"Justification by Faith" is necessary because God tells us we are justified by faith. Period.

What is written in Scripture:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ


The only truth in Post 4212 is the one Scripture quoted ... the rest is nothing but the musings of the erroneous dogma of brightfame52 ...
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[brightfame52]

Now in what sense is Justification by Faith necessary ? Its necessary in order to give the elect peace and joy and hope through believing Rom 15:13

Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

 

[brightfame52]

Are men Justified before God b4 Faith and while ungodly? The answer is yes insofar men are elect of God while in unbelief and ungodly. Paul writes of the elect Rom 8:33

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

 

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Now in what sense is Justification by Faith necessary ?

... there is no "Justification" without Faith. God tells us we are justified by faith. Period.

What is written in Scripture:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

Rom 15:13

Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

before jumping to Romans 15 ... learn what is written in the earlier chapters of Romans. Just look at these verses ...

Romans 5:

1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.


Have you ever, in your life, read the Book of Romans straight through? ... from Romans 1:1 through Romans 16:27 ??? ... and then read it through again ... and again ...

you continuously and consistently jump from one verse of Scripture to another to another, without understanding the context of the verse in the section in which the verse has been placed by the Author of Scripture ...


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Are men Justified before God b4 Faith and while ungodly?

no.

men are elect of God while in unbelief and ungodly

the "elect of God" are those who believe in the Elect of God, the Lord Jesus Christ ... and once they believe, they are no longer "in unbelief" ... nor are they "ungodly" ...

Rom 8:33

Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

when you read the verse in the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it, you find:

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

again, the Lord Jesus Christ is the Elect of God. Those who are in the Lord Jesus Christ are "elect" because they believe in Him Whom God has provided to justify mankind ... the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is the Elect.


Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...
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... there is no "Justification" without Faith. God tells us we are justified by faith. Period.

What is written in Scripture:

Romans 4:

20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ





before jumping to Romans 15 ... learn what is written in the earlier chapters of Romans. Just look at these verses ...

Romans 5:

1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.


Have you ever, in your life, read the Book of Romans straight through? ... from Romans 1:1 through Romans 16:27 ??? ... and then read it through again ... and again ...

you continuously and consistently jump from one verse of Scripture to another to another, without understanding the context of the verse in the section in which the verse has been placed by the Author of Scripture ...


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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So you dont believe it, thats unfortunate.

 

[brightfame52]

no.





the "elect of God" are those who believe in the Elect of God, the Lord Jesus Christ ... and once they believe, they are no longer "in unbelief" ... nor are they "ungodly" ...





when you read the verse in the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed it, you find:

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

again, the Lord Jesus Christ is the Elect of God. Those who are in the Lord Jesus Christ are "elect" because they believe in Him Whom God has provided to justify mankind ... the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is the Elect.


Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...
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The elect of God do believe, however they were the elect of God prior to their believing, and while ungodly.