Who is to blame for the latest Isreal Palestine war really ?

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HeIsHere said:
They have to kill and wound over 15 000 (most of which are childrent) to kill a handful of Hamas.
They are killing with no discrimination.

There are plenty of verified reports of IDF snipers shooting indiscriminately into the crowds of people around the hospital.

And as well, no independent verification that their headquarters was under the Al Shiva hospital.

They are on public record of wanting to eradicate the inhabitants of Gaza and have the cover to do it, have you seriously ever searched out the facts of what is actually occurring.
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Are you using figures put out by Hamas and Hamas supporters?
 
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From what I understand Hamas is the government itself. They keep up the infrastructure and also take care of welfare.
 
Cameron143 said:
No. But not for the reasons you believe he isn't.
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You do not even know why I would regard him as immoral, there is that, but we will leave that aside.

Apparently in your opinion IDF is bombing "discriminately" totally absurd according to the ground reality, International laws and conventions, and you also seemingly want to downplay the number dead because it is based on the Ministry of Health in Gaza.

Israel reported 6 Hamas operatives killed in Gaza as of October 16.
So lets double the number of operatives killed to this point to 12.

Since you deny 11 000 civilians/non-combatants/babies/children killed (based on nothing, no facts whatsoever presented to counter) we will cut it to 6 000 to be prudent because we know only Arabs lie.

George W. Bush, an immoral man, condemned an Israeli strike on Gaza in 2002, for killing 1 Hamas militant and killing 15 civilians.

So tell me where does that place you?
 
HeIsHere said:
You do not even know why I would regard him as immoral, there is that, but we will leave that aside.

Apparently in your opinion IDF is bombing "discriminately" totally absurd according to the ground reality, International laws and conventions, and you also seemingly want to downplay the number dead because it is based on the Ministry of Health in Gaza.

Israel reported 6 Hamas operatives killed in Gaza as of October 16.
So lets double the number of operatives killed to this point to 12.

Since you deny 11 000 civilians/non-combatants/babies/children killed (based on nothing, no facts whatsoever presented to counter) we will cut it to 6 000 to be prudent because we know only Arabs lie.

George W. Bush, an immoral man, condemned an Israeli strike on Gaza in 2002, for killing 1 Hamas militant and killing 15 civilians.

So tell me where does that place you?
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You think Bush was immoral because he lied about WMD's.
I don't believe your figures or accounts. You are too emotionally invested to be unbiased. And you show you know little about warfare. An example: Israel decided to go after a Hamas stronghold located in and under a hospital. The IDF brought medical personnel and supplies to aid care for Palestinians. This is unprecedented in warfare. So much for your definition of indiscriminate.
As far as where I am placed, I much prefer to leave that with God. He deals with me according to righteousness; not emotion.
 
Cameron143 said:
You think Bush was immoral because he lied about WMD's.
I don't believe your figures or accounts. You are too emotionally invested to be unbiased. And you show you know little about warfare. An example: Israel decided to go after a Hamas stronghold located in and under a hospital. The IDF brought medical personnel and supplies to aid care for Palestinians. This is unprecedented in warfare. So much for your definition of indiscriminate.
As far as where I am placed, I much prefer to leave that with God. He deals with me according to righteousness; not emotion.
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You are reading in the emotion, some accusation used towards @Smoke totally unfounded in an online environment.

This is untrue according to the people on the ground but continue to believe the IDF lies, the truth is coming out.

You missed my point entirely or were unwilling to address it, so tell me who is the biased one.
 
The religious leadership in Iran that hate Israel and sponsor terrorism is to blame along with others that preach hate and spew poison.
 
Gaza is next to massive oil and natural gas pools in their waters. The West Bank also sits upon massive oil deposits. Look it up.
 
if you buy the Oct 7 narrative you likely still believe the 9/11 tale too and the covid plandemic and resulting coerced shots.
 
Interesting how people whose Theology is suspect also fall for deceptions.
 
Fundaamental said:
And our Christian friends here seem to go to the eye for eye and a tooth for a tooth scripture.

I wonder if I'm discussing with hardcore Judaism here or Christianity.
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It's called war. Let me ask you, have you sat down and watched the videos of Oct 7? Videos of an old woman, disabled and they are making her hold a gun as a hostage? Have you seen the young people running for their lives at a peace festival? A family with a young girl crying when they say her sister has gone to heaven? Then the family cower together as armed men walk in the room? Did you watch NBC where an aunt of a three yr old girl tells how she was in her fathers arms and he was shot and fell. How she crawled out from under her fathers dead body to a neighbor who took her in and then they were rounded up and taken hostage? I tell you this, the wrath of God is hot against these people. They are worse than animals. Vile. Tied together a father and son and shot them. Killed a pregnant woman and took the child from her womb and stabbed it. If you don't think that God'd wrath is not white hot, if you don't think these vile creatures are not on their way to eternity in hell you're reading the wrong Bible. If you take a life with intent, you forfeit your own. You're discussing with people who believe in a holy and just God and that He sees what has been done in the name of a false god. May God arise and His enemies be scattered.
 
Fundaamental said:
Well how would you feel if it was yone of your loved ones that was on the end of an Isreal bomb.
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Idk tell us how you'd feel if your wife was raped, murdered and her naked body dragged through town? Or your son whose arm was blown off at a PEACE rally and is now a hostage and you don't know if dead or alive. Or your niece whose father and mother were shot in cold blood and she crawled out from their dead bodies only to be taken hostage at 3yrs old!!! Oct 7 is the worst attack on Jews since the Holocaust. Or is that another of your "justified wars"??!!
 
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