Israel Declares War

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ZNP

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"Promoting"? lol

So if someone shares pictures of the Israeli's that were murdered on Oct 7th, are they "promoting" terrorism? Or are they merely exposing and broadcasting what's going on? :unsure:
So this was "what is going on"? 3 nut jobs? Do you know anything more about them?

If I see two hundered thousand at a rally chanting "from the river to the sea" that is what is going on. If we see the same rallies taking place around the world, that is what is going on. But if we are going to claim every single nut job with a video camera is "what is going on" then it becomes absurd.
 

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So this was "what is going on"? 3 nut jobs? Do you know anything more about them?

If I see two hundered thousand at a rally chanting "from the river to the sea" that is what is going on. If we see the same rallies taking place around the world, that is what is going on. But if we are going to claim every single nut job with a video camera is "what is going on" then it becomes absurd.
There are many videos of people acting stupid on each side. Some have thousands, some are at a wedding (more than 3 people just because you can't see them), sometimes it's just one person. Does it take away that it's a representation of people across the world? Does it somehow mean you "promote" whatever sentiment they are saying/doing.

I was no more "promoting" this guy's satanic song than you were promoting those thousands of pro-cease fire people at DC. Now we are pretending like the number of people is the independent variable when it is irrelevant. What is the difference between 3,000 individual videos with a different person in each video saying satanic things and one video with 3,000 people saying satanic things?
 

ZNP

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There are many videos of people acting stupid on each side. Some have thousands, some are at a wedding (more than 3 people just because you can't see them), sometimes it's just one person. Does it take away that it's a representation of people across the world? Does it somehow mean you "promote" whatever sentiment they are saying/doing.

I was no more "promoting" this guy's satanic song than you were promoting those thousands of pro-cease fire people at DC. Now we are pretending like the number of people is the independent variable when it is irrelevant. What is the difference between 3,000 individual videos with a different person in each video saying satanic things and one video with 3,000 people saying satanic things?
there was no evidence in the video that any more than 3 people at the most knew beforehand what this guy was going to sing or say. Now if they all joined in on the chorus or something that would be different. Again, we have 3 nut jobs.
 

Magenta

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At first they were singing "what side are you on" then they were chanting "let Gaza live".
Brings to mind a Biblical scene when the crowd was asked who should be allowed to go free...
 

ZNP

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Pro-Palestinian protesters throw their car keys into the Bay Bridge

 

Magenta

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Pro-Palestinian protesters throw their car keys into the Bay Bridge

Did they leave their cars parked on the bridge after throwing their keys in the Bay? .:unsure:

And then what do they do after their cars are towed? .:oops:
 

Smoke

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Pro-Palestinian protesters throw their car keys into the Bay Bridge

Are you "promoting" parking cars on the bridge and then throwing your key in the water?

It is crazy how people think protesting this way is going to evoke any sort of positive change. It will only upset anyone with a counter view even more and diminish people from their own support group as they would not want to be associated with them.

I'm against Biden giving billions to Iran, but I'm not going to take up 3 parking spaces to protest it every time I park in public. Perhaps find a more appropriate way to protest?
 

ZNP

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Are you "promoting" parking cars on the bridge and then throwing your key in the water?

It is crazy how people think protesting this way is going to evoke any sort of positive change. It will only upset anyone with a counter view even more and diminish people from their own support group as they would not want to be associated with them.

I'm against Biden giving billions to Iran, but I'm not going to take up 3 parking spaces to protest it every time I park in public. Perhaps find a more appropriate way to protest?
This thread is a journal of the events related to the Israeli / Hamas war. These protests are related. San Francisco happens to be where Biden and Xi are. At this moment it is simply a piece to the jigsaw puzzle, but we also heard today that the FBI is saying there is a false flag attack planned against 15 US cities to be blamed on Hamas, so this protest is important at laying the groundwork to believe that from Washington DC to NYC to Boston to San Fran Hamas is organizing major protests and could therefore be behind this massive upcoming attack.
 

cv5

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But now in Christ Jesus
Christians. Believers in the specific time of the church age.
And Jews became Christians. And Gentiles never became Israelites.

Wakey wakey eggs and bakey.
 

cv5

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yeah! this is what we're saying. one people of God made up of believing ethnic Jews, and believing gentiles.

you're quite correct in saying it's not a replacement. it's an addition.
And gentiles never became Israelites. Ever.

If you actually care to notice, the SAVED Gibeonites who are Hivites (formerly condemned Canaanites), who were NOT Jews, (not the offspring of Jacob)........never ever "became Jews".

They were a separate entity and are ALWAYS stated as such in every genealogy. For over 1000 years. From Joshua all the way to Nehemiah.

It's all there duly recorded. Get a clue buddy
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Are you "promoting" parking cars on the bridge and then throwing your key in the water?

It is crazy how people think protesting this way is going to evoke any sort of positive change. It will only upset anyone with a counter view even more and diminish people from their own support group as they would not want to be associated with them.

I'm against Biden giving billions to Iran, but I'm not going to take up 3 parking spaces to protest it every time I park in public. Perhaps find a more appropriate way to protest?
And all the Christmas shoppers thank you.
 

cv5

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Louder, so they hear in the back!!
The noises of un-biblical quackery around here are deafening. So I guess that we will have to crank up the decibels of the based biblical correct exegesis even more.

Frankly, I have yet to hear any cogent Biblically-reference rebuttal to my various posts.
 

Yahshua

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The noises of un-biblical quackery around here are deafening. So I guess that we will have to crank up the decibels of the based biblical correct exegesis even more.

Frankly, I have yet to hear any cogent Biblically-reference rebuttal to my various posts.
...as if on cue I started typing a reply to your previous post before reading this one lol
 

Yahshua

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And gentiles never became Israelites. Ever.
You two were talking about Ruth. Wasn't she a gentile (a Moabite) who married an Israelite and became the great-grandmother of King David? Prior to that, Joseph married an Egyptian woman (Gen 41:45), so Ephraim and Menasseh were also mixed, and that double tribe became the biggest of Israel. Also, recall that approx. 215 years after Joseph a "mixed" multitude left Egypt with the descendants of Jacob.


Exodus 12:37
The Israelites journeyed from Rameses to Succoth with about 600,000 men on foot, besides women and children. And a mixed multitude also went up with them, along with great droves of livestock, both flocks and herds.


The Hebrew word translated to "mixed" in this passage is "arab". So everyone who left Egypt - the descendants of Jacob and the "arab" multitude - entered into the same marriage covenant with The Almighty to become one people:


Deuteronomy 29:10-29 (but only snipped up to verse 12)
All of you are standing today
in the presence of the Lord your God—your leaders and chief men, your elders and officials, and all the other men of Israel, together with your children and your wives, and the foreigners living in your camps who chop your wood and carry your water.

12 You are standing here in order to enter into a covenant with the Lord your God, a covenant the Lord is making with you this day and sealing with an oath,


The passage continues by saying even all of their children will be held to the same covenant. The Almighty said there will be one law that all are to follow in the kingdom of Israel regardless of previous background:


Exodus 12:49
One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you


This was the template; the example that would be fulfilled through Messiah.


Fast-forward to Paul and he explains that very mystery of God that was hidden for centuries until the Messiah's work: "Christ in you"; that Gentiles could attain salvation. How? God has only known Israel of all the nations (Amos 3:2). Every principality received a nation and Israel was The Living God's possession (Deuteronomy 32:8).

The Almighty is still the same. His ways are explained through the examples of ancient Israel (1 Corinthians 10:11). Notice how on a smaller scale out of all the tribes of Israel, He made one tribe - the Levites - His "personal possession". So likewise, out of all nations on earth, one nation - Israel - is His. Salvation is for Israel. As Messiah said, "salvation is of the Jews" (John 4:22).

He only knows Israel. But it's also true that "God so loves the world" (John 3:16) and calls all men to repent (Acts 17:30). So in order to save the world He made a way for those in the world to join Israel through His Son (Who is the Root of the tree of Israel - Romans 11:16-18), because salvation is for Israel as Messiah said (John 4:22).

So through Israel's punishment (their scattering), He has sown Israel into the world; casting them among the Gentiles (Jeremiah 31:27) to bless the Gentiles while bringing in the full number of them into Christ (Romans 11). When the full number of Gentiles comes in He will draw the natural branches back to Him, closing the net. "The kingdom of Heaven is like a fishing net bringing in all types of fish" (Matthew 13:47).


Acts 1:6-7
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.


Messiah never told them it wouldn't happen. He said the timing of when the kingdom would be restored wasn't for them to know. For Gentiles whom He foresaw would love Him, He made a way for them to join His people because Israel is God's possession. Jerusalem is Messiah's bride.

The Messiah isn't coming back for a religion. He's coming back for a people. The "Kingdom of God" is the Kingdom of Israel because God is Israel's King (this has been true since the beginning before the people wanted to be like other nations - 1 Samuel 8:7), which will be headquartered in Jerusalem with Messiah as her king. The City of Light. And we will all be there as citizens: believing Jew and believing Gentile, while no one else will be allowed in, not the unbelieving Jew or the unbelieving Gentile.

We will all be one people.
 

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You two were talking about Ruth. Wasn't she a gentile (a Moabite) who married an Israelite and became the great-grandmother of King David? Prior to that, Joseph married an Egyptian woman (Gen 41:45), so Ephraim and Menasseh were also mixed, and that double tribe became the biggest of Israel. Also, recall that approx. 215 years after Joseph a "mixed" multitude left Egypt with the descendants of Jacob.


Exodus 12:37
The Israelites journeyed from Rameses to Succoth with about 600,000 men on foot, besides women and children. And a mixed multitude also went up with them, along with great droves of livestock, both flocks and herds.


The Hebrew word translated to "mixed" in this passage is "arab". So everyone who left Egypt - the descendants of Jacob and the "arab" multitude - entered into the same marriage covenant with The Almighty to become one people:


Deuteronomy 29:10-29 (but only snipped up to verse 12)
All of you are standing today
in the presence of the Lord your God—your leaders and chief men, your elders and officials, and all the other men of Israel, together with your children and your wives, and the foreigners living in your camps who chop your wood and carry your water.

12 You are standing here in order to enter into a covenant with the Lord your God, a covenant the Lord is making with you this day and sealing with an oath,


The passage continues by saying even all of their children will be held to the same covenant. The Almighty said there will be one law that all are to follow in the kingdom of Israel regardless of previous background:


Exodus 12:49
One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you


This was the template; the example that would be fulfilled through Messiah.


Fast-forward to Paul and he explains that very mystery of God that was hidden for centuries until the Messiah's work: "Christ in you"; that Gentiles could attain salvation. How? God has only known Israel of all the nations (Amos 3:2). Every principality received a nation and Israel was The Living God's possession (Deuteronomy 32:8).

The Almighty is still the same. His ways are explained through the examples of ancient Israel (1 Corinthians 10:11). Notice how on a smaller scale out of all the tribes of Israel, He made one tribe - the Levites - His "personal possession". So likewise, out of all nations on earth, one nation - Israel - is His. Salvation is for Israel. As Messiah said, "salvation is of the Jews" (John 4:22).

He only knows Israel. But it's also true that "God so loves the world" (John 3:16) and calls all men to repent (Acts 17:30). So in order to save the world He made a way for those in the world to join Israel through His Son (Who is the Root of the tree of Israel - Romans 11:16-18), because salvation is for Israel as Messiah said (John 4:22).

So through Israel's punishment (their scattering), He has sown Israel into the world; casting them among the Gentiles (Jeremiah 31:27) to bless the Gentiles while bringing in the full number of them into Christ (Romans 11). When the full number of Gentiles comes in He will draw the natural branches back to Him, closing the net. "The kingdom of Heaven is like a fishing net bringing in all types of fish" (Matthew 13:47).


Acts 1:6-7
When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.


Messiah never told them it wouldn't happen. He said the timing of when the kingdom would be restored wasn't for them to know. For Gentiles whom He foresaw would love Him, He made a way for them to join His people because Israel is God's possession. Jerusalem is Messiah's bride.

The Messiah isn't coming back for a religion. He's coming back for a people. The "Kingdom of God" is the Kingdom of Israel because God is Israel's King (this has been true since the beginning before the people wanted to be like other nations - 1 Samuel 8:7), which will be headquartered in Jerusalem with Messiah as her king. The City of Light. And we will all be there as citizens: believing Jew and believing Gentile, while no one else will be allowed in, not the unbelieving Jew or the unbelieving Gentile.

We will all be one people.
Aren't saved people one people already...the new creation in Christ? No Greek or Jew? Only the new humanity?
 

cv5

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The Messiah isn't coming back for a religion. He's coming back for a people.
Thats right. After the rapture, He IS coming back "for a people". The people known as ISRAEL.

AND ONLY AFTER THEY ASK HIM TO RETURN AND SAVE THEM IN TRUE FAITH AND BELIEF FINALLY UNDERSTANDING THAT HE WAS....AND IS THEIR MESSIAH.
 
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And gentiles never became Israelites. Ever.

If you actually care to notice, the SAVED Gibeonites who are Hivites (formerly condemned Canaanites), who were NOT Jews, (not the offspring of Jacob)........never ever "became Jews".

They were a separate entity and are ALWAYS stated as such in every genealogy. For over 1000 years. From Joshua all the way to Nehemiah.

It's all there duly recorded. Get a clue buddy
New Covenant? Or you still trying to live under the Old Covenant? If so, it's not going to work. That's why Christians have the New Testament and adherents of Judaism reject it to their doom.