Why can’t i speak in tongues as a Christian

[tylerbones1313]

If a language cannot automatically be understood by all, it is NOT from the Holy Spirit.

Who or what told you that nonsense?

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

If by His spirit, I speak privately to Him in prayer in a corporate setting, and someone next to me will no doubt hear and doesn't understand, but I'm not speaking to the Body of Christ for edification, but just between God and Myself. Are you saying that is not from the Holy Spirit?

 

[JimmyTheLock]

If by His spirit, I speak privately to Him in prayer in a corporate setting, and someone next to me will no doubt hear and doesn't understand, but I'm not speaking to the Body of Christ for edification, but just between God and Myself. Are you saying that is not from the Holy Spirit?

This is what I was saying earlier Einstein

We should be using this gift in our private prayer time with the Lord

 

[JimmyTheLock]

No, not unknown by the speaker but unknown by the audience.

If you think tongues is only for public tongues / interpretation... you be confused.

That's just one of numerous other manifestations of this gift.

 

[wolfwint]

FYI, Jesus said in Acts 1:8 that we would receive Power after the Holy Ghost comes upon us to be a witness.

This happened many times, recorded in the word of God found in the book of Acts.

Jesus said this in John chapters 14, 15, and 16.

Jesus also said in Mark chapter 16:17-18


17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


Everyone who was Baptized in the Holy Spirit after Jesus was taken up spoke in tongues or prophesied, or did both.

You can't show me in the Book of Acts any example where they received the Holy Spirit Baptism, and those two tangibles were absent. It is Bible guy.

Not your emotional content. Word of God, Bible 101. You use the words "false" and "error" to cover up or try to silence those who may be weak in defending the Empowerment of the Holy Spirit. Yet you have no Biblical text to "debunk" what is seen in the word of God. You like to cherry-pick but can't see the full context or understand Unit Chapters.

You pull church fathers out of the air while removing Jesus, who is the Authority on the subject.

Try using the word of God and not the opinion you have from your bias.

I have shown several times why I dont believe your believe system. You could not show me from the scripture that all who are baptised with the Holy Spirit got the gift of speaking in tongues ore that is the sign that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit. In opposit Paul made clear that not all get the gift of speaking in tongues. Does he lie?

 

[CS1]

I have shown several times why I dont believe your believe system. You could not show me from the scripture that all who are baptised with the Holy Spirit got the gift of speaking in tongues ore that is the sign that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit. In opposit Paul made clear that not all get the gift of speaking in tongues. Does he lie?

it's not a system, and I, too, told you that it is the word of GOD. Yes, I did right out of the Book of Acts. Maybe you should read the list of the NINE Gifts in Chapter 12 of 1cor. Then get back to me Also read Eph 4:7-16

 

[tylerbones1313]

This is what I was saying earlier Einstein View attachment 257811

We should be using this gift in our private prayer time with the Lord

And possibly, if God chose, we could use same gift, for Tongues spoken aloud unknown to entire congregation in tandem with Interpretation (possibly by same person or someone else) in a language everyone present knows.

 

[ewq1938]

If you think tongues is only for public tongues / interpretation... you be confused.

Your statement is confused. Languages can be for public or private although there is a limited reason to speak a language in private.

Either way this is truth:

Holy spirit inspired speaking is always understood by anyone and everyone.

Counterfeit inspired speaking is babble and gibberish and has no meaning at all and does not come from the HS.

 

[ewq1938]

If a language cannot automatically be understood by all, it is NOT from the Holy Spirit.

Who or what told you that nonsense?

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

If by His spirit, I speak privately to Him in prayer in a corporate setting, and someone next to me will no doubt hear and doesn't understand, but I'm not speaking to the Body of Christ for edification, but just between God and Myself. Are you saying that is not from the Holy Spirit?

Definitely not. Read Acts. The Holy Spirit inspired speaking, and it was understood by all no matter what languages they knew or did not know.

 

[tylerbones1313]

Definitely not. Read Acts. The Holy Spirit inspired speaking, and it was understood by all no matter what languages they knew or did not know.

In the Book of Acts in the upper room 120 plus women and children, speaking in Tongues, would have been enough to cover the different languages named. But not ALL present understood ALL speaking in Tongues, because of the diversity of languages present. We also know that it was the Wonderful Works of God of which the Tongues Spoke.

My Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Noone on Earth brings new revelation, that isn't already revealed through the Word of God, which is fullest revelation given to man. Through the moving and operation of the Holy Ghost, I Pray what we say here brings the truth of these Revelations, truth by truth, or precept upon precept, to the heart of the hearer. Lay what we say before the feet of Jesus (Word of God) and compare, the Bible is Always truth, so if they don't match, we need to reevaluate our stance. What we say or do here will have lasting impact upon the believer and sinner alike. We most certainly have freedom of speech, but any true christian will weigh what they say against the Word of God and if they don't agree God is not in error, and we need to pray for understanding. Those that have more meat of the Word can help those who are struggling, if done with humility, peace and love. I don't mind a peaceful debate, but when we start to argue amongst each other that is not the Spirit of God. God Bless and Peace to you all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[ewq1938]

But not ALL present understood ALL speaking in Tongues, because of the diversity of languages present.

That is not what the bible presents. Everyone there understood what was said, even down to the very accent of their own village.

Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

It's not just that they heard their own language, but the language that was spoken where they were born. A person born in New York would hear the speaking with a NY accent etc. Using English as an example since that's what we are speaking, there is a vast different in pronunciation between English on the west coast of America, various areas of the south of America, NY, Chicago, Canada and the UK and in Ireland.


Act 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language/dialektos.
Act 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue/dialektos, wherein we were born?
Act 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Act 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Act 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues/glo¯ssa the wonderful works of God.

Also, the word used is dialektos from which we have the word "dialect". This differs from the word" TONGUES" where the word used is glo¯ssa.

So, they not only heard their own language/glo¯ssa being spoken, they heard it spoken in the dialektos/dialect from where they were born.

 

[wolfwint]

it's not a system, and I, too, told you that it is the word of GOD. Yes, I did right out of the Book of Acts. Maybe you should read the list of the NINE Gifts in Chapter 12 of 1cor. Then get back to me Also read Eph 4:7-16

You always avoid to response of my point:
There is no scripure in the bible which taught that the sign to be baptised with the Holy Spirit is the gift of speaking in tongues.! In opposit Paul made clear in 1. Cor. 12,29-30 that not every believer will get the gift of speaking in tongues.
And also the fact, that the speaking in tongues today has nothing to do with what we read in Acts 2.
So in my eyes you follow a believe system, ore what ever.

 

[AlexTs]

The ability to speak in tongues, also known as glossolalia, is a practice associated with certain Christian denominations. It is believed to be a spiritual gift that some individuals receive, typically during times of intense prayer or worship. However, not all Christians experience or exhibit this gift.

 

[tylerbones1313]

That is not what the bible presents. Everyone there understood what was said, even down to the very accent of their own village.

Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

It's not just that they heard their own language, but the language that was spoken where they were born. A person born in New York would hear the speaking with a NY accent etc. Using English as an example since that's what we are speaking, there is a vast different in pronunciation between English on the west coast of America, various areas of the south of America, NY, Chicago, Canada and the UK and in Ireland.


Act 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language/dialektos.
Act 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue/dialektos, wherein we were born?
Act 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Act 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Act 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues/glo¯ssa the wonderful works of God.

Also, the word used is dialektos from which we have the word "dialect". This differs from the word" TONGUES" where the word used is glo¯ssa.

So, they not only heard their own language/glo¯ssa being spoken, they heard it spoken in the dialektos/dialect from where they were born.

And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all of these which speak Galileans? How is it that we hear every man in our own dialect, wherein we were born? And the Parthians, the Medes, the Elamites, the dwellers of Mesopotamia, Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, Egypt, and parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our dialectus [languages] the wonderful works of God (Acts 2:7-11).

Notice that when they understood the languages, these people were not preaching sermons in these languages, nor were their words addressed to men, but it was addressed to God. They were proclaiming the wonderful works of God.

God often speaks to the church through tongues and interpretation of tongues. In I Corinthians 14 , Paul says, "If a man speaks in an unknown tongue, he is not speaking to man, howbeit, in the Spirit he is speaking to God divine mysteries, or secrets." And thus, he tells them that, if in church a person speaks in an unknown tongue, that he should pray that they might interpret. And if there is no interpreter, then he should not speak, but keep silent and speak unto himself and unto God.

This above is talking about a corporate setting, where Tongues is Spoken aloud to entire congregation, in a language no one knows. Then God uses the same person or someone else to bring forth Interpretation in a language everyone present does know.

My Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Noone on Earth brings new revelation, that isn't already revealed through the Word of God, which is fullest revelation given to man. Through the moving and operation of the Holy Ghost, I Pray what we say here brings the truth of these Revelations, truth by truth, or precept upon precept, to the heart of the hearer. Lay what we say before the feet of Jesus (Word of God) and compare, the Bible is Always truth, so if they don't match, we need to reevaluate our stance. What we say or do here will have lasting impact upon the believer and sinner alike. We most certainly have freedom of speech, but any true christian will weigh what they say against the Word of God and if they don't agree God is not in error, and we need to pray for understanding. Those that have more meat of the Word can help those who are struggling, if done with humility, peace and love. I don't mind a peaceful debate, but when we start to argue amongst each other that is not the Spirit of God. God Bless and Peace to you all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[tylerbones1313]

The ability to speak in tongues, also known as glossolalia, is a practice associated with certain Christian denominations. It is believed to be a spiritual gift that some individuals receive, typically during times of intense prayer or worship. However, not all Christians experience or exhibit this gift.

But they most certainly can and should if they want a better understanding of God and His Word.

My Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Noone on Earth brings new revelation, that isn't already revealed through the Word of God, which is fullest revelation given to man. Through the moving and operation of the Holy Ghost, I Pray what we say here brings the truth of these Revelations, truth by truth, or precept upon precept, to the heart of the hearer. Lay what we say before the feet of Jesus (Word of God) and compare, the Bible is Always truth, so if they don't match, we need to reevaluate our stance. What we say or do here will have lasting impact upon the believer and sinner alike. We most certainly have freedom of speech, but any true christian will weigh what they say against the Word of God and if they don't agree God is not in error, and we need to pray for understanding. Those that have more meat of the Word can help those who are struggling, if done with humility, peace and love. I don't mind a peaceful debate, but when we start to argue amongst each other that is not the Spirit of God. God Bless and Peace to you all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[wolfwint]

But they most certainly can and should if they want a better understanding of God and His Word.

My Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Noone on Earth brings new revelation, that isn't already revealed through the Word of God, which is fullest revelation given to man. Through the moving and operation of the Holy Ghost, I Pray what we say here brings the truth of these Revelations, truth by truth, or precept upon precept, to the heart of the hearer. Lay what we say before the feet of Jesus (Word of God) and compare, the Bible is Always truth, so if they don't match, we need to reevaluate our stance. What we say or do here will have lasting impact upon the believer and sinner alike. We most certainly have freedom of speech, but any true christian will weigh what they say against the Word of God and if they don't agree God is not in error, and we need to pray for understanding. Those that have more meat of the Word can help those who are struggling, if done with humility, peace and love. I don't mind a peaceful debate, but when we start to argue amongst each other that is not the Spirit of God. God Bless and Peace to you all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[wolfwint]

But they most certainly can and should if they want a better understanding of God and His Word.

My Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Noone on Earth brings new revelation, that isn't already revealed through the Word of God, which is fullest revelation given to man. Through the moving and operation of the Holy Ghost, I Pray what we say here brings the truth of these Revelations, truth by truth, or precept upon precept, to the heart of the hearer. Lay what we say before the feet of Jesus (Word of God) and compare, the Bible is Always truth, so if they don't match, we need to reevaluate our stance. What we say or do here will have lasting impact upon the believer and sinner alike. We most certainly have freedom of speech, but any true christian will weigh what they say against the Word of God and if they don't agree God is not in error, and we need to pray for understanding. Those that have more meat of the Word can help those who are struggling, if done with humility, peace and love. I don't mind a peaceful debate, but when we start to argue amongst each other that is not the Spirit of God. God Bless and Peace to you all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Brother, this is what I always heared from chatismatics and pentecostals. If you speak in tongues you can understand God better, you have a closer relationship to God. And so on. This is what closeout all believers which do not speak in tongues. Before the year 1900 then you find all the believers then where not able to speak in tongues had a very poor relationship with God. Which believers before the year 1900 then where baptized with the Holy Spirit and had as sign the gift of speaking in tongues. Please tell me.
Agnes Ozman Was according the pentecostal history the first person.

Sorry to say, there is no scripture which supports this claim: That every believer who receives also automaticilly the abilility to speak in tongues, according Acts 2.
This teaching came up with the pentecostal movement. During the history from the post apostolic time you can find this teaching merily in cults.

Also the teaching that you can come closer to the Lord, if you can speak in tongues i cant find in the scriptures.

 

[tylerbones1313]

Brother, this is what I always heared from chatismatics and pentecostals. If you speak in tongues you can understand God better, you have a closer relationship to God. And so on. This is what closeout all believers which do not speak in tongues. Before the year 1900 then you find all the believers then where not able to speak in tongues had a very poor relationship with God. Which believers before the year 1900 then where baptized with the Holy Spirit and had as sign the gift of speaking in tongues. Please tell me.
Agnes Ozman Was according the pentecostal history the first person.

Sorry to say, there is no scripture which supports this claim: That every believer who receives also automaticilly the abilility to speak in tongues, according Acts 2.
This teaching came up with the pentecostal movement. During the history from the post apostolic time you can find this teaching merily in cults.

Also the teaching that you can come closer to the Lord, if you can speak in tongues i cant find in the scriptures.

Also the teaching that you can come closer to the Lord, if you can speak in tongues i cant find in the scriptures.

ct 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
The Ascension
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

I Don't need to say anything. Scripture is absolutely clear. The Risen Christ said to WAIT UNTIL very clear.

 

[CS1]

You always avoid to response of my point:
There is no scripure in the bible which taught that the sign to be baptised with the Holy Spirit is the gift of speaking in tongues.! In opposit Paul made clear in 1. Cor. 12,29-30 that not every believer will get the gift of speaking in tongues.
And also the fact, that the speaking in tongues today has nothing to do with what we read in Acts 2.
So in my eyes you follow a believe system, ore what ever.

As do you. Your false narrative of: "There is no scripure in the bible which taught that the sign to be baptised with the Holy Spirit is the gift of speaking in tongues."

The word "Trinity" and the concept were not taught in the word of God either but are revealed in the word of God.

Your logic is errored.


In your eyes, you think you are the authoritative word of God. You are not Jesus is.

Mark 16:17-18
Acts 1:8

Acts 2:38
Acts 8:14-20
Acts 10:44-48

 

[wolfwint]

Also the teaching that you can come closer to the Lord, if you can speak in tongues i cant find in the scriptures.

ct 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
The Ascension
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

I Don't need to say anything. Scripture is absolutely clear. The Risen Christ said to WAIT UNTIL very clear.

What you are talking about?
First : this was a promiss for the apostles.
Second: there is no mentioning from speaking in tounges which will bring us nearer to God.

 

[CS1]

As do you. Your false narrative of: "There is no scripure in the bible which taught that the sign to be baptised with the Holy Spirit is the gift of speaking in tongues."

The word "Trinity" and the concept were not taught in the word of God either but are revealed in the word of God.

Your logic is errored.


In your eyes, you think you are the authoritative word of God. You are not Jesus is.

Mark 16:17-18
Acts 1:8

Acts 2:38
Acts 8:14-20
Acts 10:44-48

all of those verses in Acts show all who were filled with the Holy Spirit 1. spoke in tongues or prophesied or did both.


1cor chapter 14 teaches that one who prophesies is more effective than speaking in tongues UNLESS there is an interpretation.

Your bias prevents you from seeing the Church setting use of the Charismata and Pnumateka. Which are taught by Paul, and he never
said they were done away with or not for today.

You have added that in. Which makes you even more wrong in your understanding.

But I am not saying you are not saved because you were or were not baptized in Jesus' name or don't speak in tongues.

Tongues do not Save a person; Jesus does. And those who use the gifts of the Holy Spirit foolishly, as all Gifts are abused by people none more than that of a Pastor, which is a gift to the church as stated in Ehp 4 and 1cor chapter 12, have not in any way made the gifts of the Holy Spirit null-n-void.